[Movies] Star Wars The Force Awakens SPOILER THREAD!
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So went and saw it again tonight. Still fun, feels very much like a Star Wars film, probably moreso now than when I first saw it. Probably had my hopes and expectations up a little too high.
There were definitely repeated plot points, but that doesn't make it bad. They kept it familiar, but different enough to stand on its own. Probably will see it a few more times before it is out of theaters.
Tell'em how I feel about it, BB-8!
There were definitely repeated plot points, but that doesn't make it bad. They kept it familiar, but different enough to stand on its own. Probably will see it a few more times before it is out of theaters.
Tell'em how I feel about it, BB-8!
George Lucas wasn't happy with it for the repeated plot points and that there weren't enough new planets/creatures/droids.
Guess he felt Disney could improve their toy variety.
Guess he felt Disney could improve their toy variety.
Taken out of context (and I think also slowed down) that gif now looks like BB-8 is flipping you off.
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It's not really a ship. Even in star wars, I mean. It'd have been bigger than the Death Star. The "Super Star Destroyer" from Return of the Jedi is the one labeled "Executor." It was 11 miles long. There was allegedly one ship class larger, the Eclipse class, but it is thoroughly, utterly non-canon, even before the EU was disavowed.
The image posted was put there to mock the logistics required to operate a ship the size of a province.
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Huh, that's an unexpected complaint. I don't think we even saw a planet we've seen before (though the difference between Jakku and Tatooine is pretty much just the name), and until we got to the resistance base, there weren't any of the older aliens besides Chewie.
The Eclipse was from Dark Empire I think.
However, that stupid thing from some wanky book that the letter is about is still only a fraction of the size of the Death Star 2.[DOUBLEPOST=1451601163,1451600834][/DOUBLEPOST]On a hilarious note.
http://www.returnofkings.com/76356/...eporting-that-identified-it-as-sjw-propaganda
Versus
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars7.htm
It will easily be the biggest domestic film of all time and likely top 3 worldwide (find out if it can beat out Avatar or Titanic's INSANE worldwide appeal).
GasBandit
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Well, the picture says it is 260 km long, and Wookieepedia says DSII was 160km in diameter (vs DS1's 120km).
GasBandit
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True enough. Still ridiculous to basically fly Rhode Island around.
On an unrelated note, obviously the Death Star had hyperdrive and a propulsion system of some sort, but it just occurred to me as odd that nobody ever thought "Maybe we should film a scene where the Death Star engages its hyperdrive." It almost felt like an overlooked afterthought in episode 4.
I don't know what "cuck" means (and you don't need to inform me, thanks), but now there will be a rash of multiracial babies (this would be a bad thing?) because Rey and Finn are friends? I..just... okay? I mean, I know who the source is, but I just can't even wrap my brain around the "logic" that went into that complaint.
Meanwhile, as I saw someone else write, this is further proof you really DON'T need those MRA dollars*.
(*I have my doubts how many actually boycotted the film.)
Meanwhile, as I saw someone else write, this is further proof you really DON'T need those MRA dollars*.
(*I have my doubts how many actually boycotted the film.)
GasBandit
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I'm pretty sure it's just a lazy abbreviation for "cuckold."
...That would cover most of northern Wisconsin.
GasBandit
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Well, I'm going on the assumption that, as the Executor was longer but "skinnier" in ratio than the Imperial Star Destroyer, the "Freudian Nightmare" would be similar "longer but skinnier." So... maybe it's 120 miles long, but wedge/arrowhead shaped and 20 miles wide at its widest? That'd be in the ballpark of the 1200 square mile area of Rhode Island.
But I dunno, at this point I'm just speculating. About a universe with near-instant superluminal/hyperspace travel but fighters fly through "normal" space slower than a Bugatti Veyron.
(An X-Wing's top speed, without diverting power from shields or weapons, is approximately 100m/s, or 223.6 mph. The Veyron's top speed is ~250mph).
I wouldn't take any of George Lucas's bitching to heart. Can you imagine how shitty Episode VII would be if he'd been at the helm again?
Star Wars
Episode VII
The Midi-Chlorians Rouse
It is a time of melancholy. At the behest of his sister Queen Leia, Luke Skywalker must negotiate lower tariffs on nerf related goods shipping through the Space Arab sector . . .
Had he never made the prequels, this might be what would've happened. Imagine if someone else had made The Phantom Menace - fans would adore Lucas and ask for him back and to forget this "other" movie had ever been made and whatnot.
Lucas didn't make Empire or Jedi, so if he hadn't made any more Star Wars films it would've been business as usual. Instead we got the prequel trilogy.
Had someone else made Episode I and it was exactly the movie we got, people would be begging for Lucas, yeah. But if someone else had actually been given the instruction "make three movies that take place before the original Star Wars," I'm confident whatever would've come out would have been preferable to midichlorians, baby Boba Fett, and "NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo".
Had someone else made Episode I and it was exactly the movie we got, people would be begging for Lucas, yeah. But if someone else had actually been given the instruction "make three movies that take place before the original Star Wars," I'm confident whatever would've come out would have been preferable to midichlorians, baby Boba Fett, and "NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo".
I never really got the baby Fett hatred. I mean, I never cared for Boba either way ,and never understood the boner the EU and a lot of fans had for him, but given that, eh, being a clone of a great bounty hunter with an anti-Jedi revenge fetish isn't that bad of a backstory. And the kid acted better than Little Orphan Ani, anyway.
I'm with you on Boba. I never got his appeal--didn't hate him; he was just another thing. I didn't know he was popular until I got into the internet.
But the backstory was clumsy and hollow. First, Lucas is taking this unimportant bounty hunter and giving him grandiose significance to the Clone Wars and the fall of the Republic. Then you have Jango asking them to make a separate clone that ages normally and it's one of those things where if the prequels were written first, this would never be part of the story. Everything going on with the Jetts comes off as Lucas desperate to please the fans he despises.
In any case, I listed baby Boba there as representing Episode II. Episode II has so, so many points that irritate the hell out of me. Dexter Jetster, C-3P0 in the factory, like the sands of Tatooine so are the days of our lives, MOAR litesabers up in this arena, butt beasts, "around the survivors a perimeter create" ... this list would probably be longer, but I haven't seen that movie in a long time.
Well, you can't really produce artificial gravity without some kind of centripetal motion, in which case the Death Star's floors would have to be spinning around in a complex of rings or something (and it clearly doesn't). And the ol' anti-gravity excuse is moot because gravity isn't a quantum force like the other three, so it doesn't have an anti force carrying particle to cancel it out. Anywho, my point is that it's impossible to explain away the physics of Star Wars using real physics, and making arguments about the ability for a proton torpedo to travel down a hundred km shaft is the least glaring issue. I'm a scientist, and I just have fun with these kinds of movies. They're not actively trying to be sci-fi regardless. That's Star Trek territory. Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi.
...as far as we know now.
...as far as we know now.
I don't think it's possible either, but strictly speaking, you can't really predict what will or won't be possible given enough advancement of science. Sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable and all that jazz. Plenty of scientists throughout time have said perfectly possible things were impossible because they didn't understand how or didn't know about something essential. There's a difference between disproven theories (I think we can rule out Phlogiston, guys) and things we can't achieve just yet.
But for it to work as science fiction, it has to be based off some level of science. "We can just do it" isn't a scientific field I've heard of.
It's not like we've seen zero-G in these movies. Hell, in Empire, Han, Leia, and Chewbacca are able to exit the Millennium Falcon while inside that worm monster, on an asteroid, which does not have an atmosphere. No concerns about cold or air or gravity, as if outer space in Star Wars doesn't function like space in real life.
It's not like we've seen zero-G in these movies. Hell, in Empire, Han, Leia, and Chewbacca are able to exit the Millennium Falcon while inside that worm monster, on an asteroid, which does not have an atmosphere. No concerns about cold or air or gravity, as if outer space in Star Wars doesn't function like space in real life.
James Randi would like a word with you both.Uri Geller would like a word with you...
Is it ironic that Randi looks even more like a wizard?
Yes, exactly. Star Trek is science fiction. Star Wars is fantasy.[DOUBLEPOST=1451675773,1451675709][/DOUBLEPOST]
Exactly. George Lucas tried to do that midiclorian bullshit, but the reality is The Force = Magic.
Perfectly possible by a correct application of an SEP field.