[News] Anon goes to war.
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You should be mad at MegaUpload for duping people into using their illegal movie delivery service as a legitimate business.
Shego - the COMPANY was perpetuating copyright theft. Not just a couple people that happened to use the site. They were paying people that put up seasons of TV, movies, etc to drive up traffic and encourage people buy the fast download things. When they got "take down this shit" letters, they deleted the link, kept the file, and sent out new links so people would keep using their service to steal shit.
Or their D&D session recordings.
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Sometimes I wish I could just double-post. Someone else post so I can have a separate post.
Someone else: posted!
Thanks, Nick. BREAKING NEWS!
Not sure if this is real or not, but apparently Anon's prepping to take down Facebook on Saturday (featured video from Youtube):
Not sure if this is real or not, but apparently Anon's prepping to take down Facebook on Saturday (featured video from Youtube):
The death ray. I hear ya.
Thing is the owner of Megaupload was a scumbag, which made it far easier to make up excuses for shutting down his company. Places like Pirate Bay have been at it in court for years..
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I honestly can't believe people are defending Kim DotCom and his company practices. The dude is the definition of a dotcom boom sleezeball.
Megaupload does not believe they are fighting for human rights to share, and fighting against copyright. They were in it for cash only, and nothing else.
The previous owners of the pirate bay (and to some degree the new owners) actually work in many other ways (politically, activist, etc) to fight copyright monopoly and what they see as excessive abuse of copyright.
So while their actions on the outside may appear similar, their intentions and actions politically and socially are quite different.
The police can't just take my stuff and never give it back to me if I had nothing to do in the scheme, that is just asking for legal trouble. Once the investigation is over they have to give me back my stuff out of holding. That is even assuming they could take my stuff as "evidence" in the first place, considering my laundry being there has nothing to do with the fact they were laundering money in the back rooms. That would be like someone taking my coffee table out of a storage container because the guy who owned the container was caught selling drugs, they don't have anything to do with eachother and my coffee table can't be applied as evidence.
The biggest issue is a lot of people are using sites like MegaUpload as "Cloud" services, which are becoming popular as "digital banks", basically uploading data to storage and not using second external storage because the people assume they can just download the files later. I am sorry, but when people are promoting using more and more external services to bank digital content, you can't say they "deserve" it when the decide to use those services as intended. If my storage unit mentioned earlier was blown up by a bomb, would I be deserving of losing all my stuff because I didn't buy duplicated to put in my attic? Why have such storage services in the first place if they can't be used to store stuff reliably?
Pretty sure this can't happen, if the item itself is not of an illegal nature, then it must be given back to the owner when he claims it. The only time this can't happen is if the items were destroyed in the process of gathering, like if a bomb goes off in the laundromat. I have a lot of family that, let's just say, are not the best people in the world, and other then drugs, they always ended up getting most of their crap back from the police during investigations. Maybe OC can throw some more light on the legal nature of evidence collection and retrieval.
As for my comment about them "deserving" it, that was more a comment towards what Jay said earlier, I just let you get hit by the crossfire. I apologize.
Again, you should be mad at Megaupload for being shady. Not the feds for rightfully arresting them and seizing everything for all the various laws they broke.
I am mad at both. Megaupload for being shady and illegal, and the feds for not approaching the issue from a better angle when it comes to providing those that have content there a way to regain it.
If the heads of, say, CitiBank were found to be fraudulant, laundering money and racketeering, they wouldn't shut down the whole bank and destroy everyones credit cards or bank accounts. They have ways to make sure the valid, legal users of these services have a method to retain what they put in before the company becomes shuttered. They decided with Megaupload to not protect the valid users, and yes, there were valid users on the website, as much as people want to argue what the majority was using it for.
This is not an issue where one has to be mad at one or the other, you can be mad at both. I am just thankful I use Mediafire for the last few years rather then Megaupload, or I would have been a lot more angry then I am.
If the heads of, say, CitiBank were found to be fraudulant, laundering money and racketeering, they wouldn't shut down the whole bank and destroy everyones credit cards or bank accounts. They have ways to make sure the valid, legal users of these services have a method to retain what they put in before the company becomes shuttered. They decided with Megaupload to not protect the valid users, and yes, there were valid users on the website, as much as people want to argue what the majority was using it for.
This is not an issue where one has to be mad at one or the other, you can be mad at both. I am just thankful I use Mediafire for the last few years rather then Megaupload, or I would have been a lot more angry then I am.
I am all fuck the police, but there is no way to instantly go through and see which files are legit and which are Twilight cams.
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I don't know what a Twilight cam is does it involve sparkles?
They don't need to. They can get one of the honest webmasters (there were more running the site then the ones arrested in New Zealand) to alter the system to allow people to download from their own accounts, while disabling the sharing.
Yes, it would have allowed pirates to collect data they put up for pirating, but those pirates probably still have all that data anyways since they would also be seeding it over torrents on places like The Pirate Bay.
After a month of allowing this to happen with notice, then the website can be completely shuttered. The fact they didn't even bother is what annoys me, just shut it down, delete files, and screw those that want to get what they legally put up.
What does indefinite imprisonment without a trial have to do with seizing servers used in illegal activity after getting an okay from a judge?
Caveat emptor.
Further, if people claim their bits are property that must be returned, then wouldn't that also apply to IP, such as music and videos? That could make things very interesting if copyright infringement was suddenly considered property theft.
But back to my original statement - if you put critical data on someone else's property, it might be damaged, lost, or stolen when someone or something damages, loses, or steals that person's property. It usually takes one incident of data loss for people to start thinking about backup management. Smart people start thinking about it long before their service of choice goes down.
Further, the gov't doesn't have any obligation or interest in returning those bytes - even if they could afford to do so. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars to bring in IT specialists to get it up and running with a new gov't controlled crew, and that doesn't count the time and effort (not to mention plea bargains) required to get the passwords, keys, and other critical info from the owners, nevermind removing all copyright violating material (which is impossible) before bringing it back up.
Sorry, but the world doesn't work that way, and while you complain about it, you should put just as much effort into protecting your data through multiple layers of secure backup.
Further, if people claim their bits are property that must be returned, then wouldn't that also apply to IP, such as music and videos? That could make things very interesting if copyright infringement was suddenly considered property theft.
But back to my original statement - if you put critical data on someone else's property, it might be damaged, lost, or stolen when someone or something damages, loses, or steals that person's property. It usually takes one incident of data loss for people to start thinking about backup management. Smart people start thinking about it long before their service of choice goes down.
Further, the gov't doesn't have any obligation or interest in returning those bytes - even if they could afford to do so. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars to bring in IT specialists to get it up and running with a new gov't controlled crew, and that doesn't count the time and effort (not to mention plea bargains) required to get the passwords, keys, and other critical info from the owners, nevermind removing all copyright violating material (which is impossible) before bringing it back up.
Sorry, but the world doesn't work that way, and while you complain about it, you should put just as much effort into protecting your data through multiple layers of secure backup.
That applies to commerce or purchasing, not data backup. In most cases these people who uploaded data never actually bought anything. You could argue that since they were not paying they have no protections at all, but frankly, I find that to be yet another ridiculous argument versus people losing data.
I do, I have three levels of protection in my house. I am not complaining for me, I am complaining for the people that now lost data they will never be able to recover. I started using heavier layers of backup after Windows Vista decided to invalidate one of my drives and destroy my data during an upgrade years ago, I know how much it stings to lose data you may never recover, more so when it's my own creative works. I have every right to want them to have a fair method of regaining that data, rather then just raise my hands and go "pft, too bad". That selfish attitude gets people nowhere.
P.S. The fact is that this was not due to some defect or other issue in which the product was defective, this was the government shutting down a site and telling people "too bad, you can't have your stuff".
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SeraRelm
I have some back ups of a few things, but everything is subject to entropy. I'm usually annoyed if something is lost, but I don't get overly riled.
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I don't trust anything "clouded." I have my hosting that I pay for, and even that I keep my own copy on backup. I never would have been comfortable hosting anything critical on a site like megaupload, or even something more reputable.
That said, I'm getting an ulcer because our company has decided to switch to a web-based commercial traffic scheduling system in march. This will be the first time ever we've not had the server for all our contracts, orders, and accounting housed on-site, protected by an isolated network and redundant backups. I'm nervous as hell.
That said, I'm getting an ulcer because our company has decided to switch to a web-based commercial traffic scheduling system in march. This will be the first time ever we've not had the server for all our contracts, orders, and accounting housed on-site, protected by an isolated network and redundant backups. I'm nervous as hell.
The question is, was it "lost"? Me losing something is natural, it happens, and so does stuff simply going through deterioration. Are you telling me though if the police entered your house and took items from you, saying they have no intention of returning said items, that you wouldn't be angry? Some of us look at data as physical items, I have artwork and other things I like to make that are more valuable to me then many of the things in my house.
Yes, I am passionate about this, because I believe there is a huge difference over losing something due to defect or personal error, and losing something due to a company or government deciding I was not worth the time to support.
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I've lost at least two disks full of my own original music due to failed HD + eroded CDs. I know what you mean, but ultimately, it would be lost to us eventually. As for data being taken because you had it hosted online, that is loss due to "personal error" in my book, so yes, it is the same thing to me.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, because I think the way we each see data to be different.
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