a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?

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@Li3n

@Li3n

Ravenpoe said:
Trump got fewer votes than Romney. It's the Democratic voters that didn't vote, or voted third party, because Hillary was such an uninspiring candidate.
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Actually that was when he won, and all the votes weren't counted.

But the fact remains that around 4.9% of votes went to other candidates, compared to 1 - 1.5% in previous elections. If enough of those where berniebots that where mad about the DNC beign against Bernie...

Of course Hilldog could have avoided that by making him her VP pick... and that would have helped with the whole "she's sicks guys" thing the trumpettes where on about...[DOUBLEPOST=1479285290,1479284692][/DOUBLEPOST]
Tress said:
He is a socialist and he's Jewish. I'm pretty sure those two things would have been enough. The stigma around those 2 characteristics would have been too much for most of the Trump voters, I think. Especially the socialism.
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Pretty sure the jewish thing is still too obvious for them to actually go for it outright. Pretending Trump wasn't dog whistling racists with "mexicans aren't a race" was a pretty big thing amongst people that voted for him while telling themselves they're not racists.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Tress said:
He is a socialist and he's Jewish. I'm pretty sure those two things would have been enough. The stigma around those 2 characteristics would have been too much for most of the Trump voters, I think. Especially the socialism.
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Obama was a black guy with a middle name of Hussein and he still beat a stronger republican opponent than Trump, twice. Bernie did better in the Rust Belt in the primaries, which is where Hillary lost the election, and could have won the populist vote that was important this election, which Hillary, as the embodiment of the political elite, could not. Not being under federal investigation is another plus.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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I have to say I think Bernie could have beaten Trump as well. The kind of people turned off to him being Jewish or socialist wouldn't vote for Hillary either, and he would have better mobilized the base and the working class of the industrial midwest.

Also, there's no real way to tell how many of those Libertarian party votes came from each side. Remember, the Libertarian party website got a 10,000% increase of traffic the day Cruz conceded to Trump.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

I think Bernie would've lost to a more "normal" Republican, but would've won against Trump. No way to tell, though. He'd have had a better turn out among millennials and the more liberal voter, but probably less from the center.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

GasBandit said:
Also, there's no real way to tell how many of those Libertarian party votes came from each side. Remember, the Libertarian party website got a 10,000% increase of traffic the day Cruz conceded to Trump.
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The beauty of it is that it doesn't matter, unless they all where republicans, because Trump is still the same guy, so the states Hillary flipped remain either way.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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Almost all of the controversy on Clinton was completely contrived nonsense. I was at lunch the other day with coworkers who were all vehemently ani-Clinton and I asked them point blank, "can you give me one detailed explanation of one of these so called controversies that have you so worked up?"

I definitely heard "Benghazi" but when pressed for details none could be found, and when I mentioned Darrell Issa's failed attempts I heard crickets, because none of them even knew who he was. Then I heard "Emails!" but again when pressed for details no one could give me any. Then one of them mentioned her having fucking Parkinson's...

And then I said "well when there's smoke there's fire right?" And all of them vigorously nodded.

With people that stupid and easily manipulated involved in the process I guarantee you they could have turned Sanders into a devil.

Also realize that a many of the reasons Clinton lost didn't have anything to do with her stupid scandals. It was stuff like:

-rust belt/coal revitalization: Sanders would have been much more hard line on environmental policy

-reaction to BLM and "PC" culture: Sanders would have been much more openly empathetic to BLM

-ACA: Sanders supporter a single payer system (which ironically is cheaper but v0v)

-Law and Order: Sanders was for more conciliatory to BLM and whatnot than Clinton was.

Sanders would not have won. The alt-right drove this election and they hated him *much* more than her.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Yes, but Sanders would('ve had enthousiastic voters. You know how there's a map showing how Clinton would've won in a landslide if it was up to only the young? Yeah, that's great and all, but turnout among students, millenials, etc was abominably low. And being pro-BLM might've convinced a couple of hundred thousand black people to vote in states like Florida.
 
Tress

Tress

Bubble181 said:
Yes, but Sanders would('ve had enthousiastic voters. You know how there's a map showing how Clinton would've won in a landslide if it was up to only the young? Yeah, that's great and all, but turnout among students, millenials, etc was abominably low. And being pro-BLM might've convinced a couple of hundred thousand black people to vote in states like Florida.
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Most young people are apathetic assholes when it comes to voting. They'll talk a big game and then stay home. It would have been the same for Sanders.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Necronic said:
With people that stupid and easily manipulated involved in the process I guarantee you they could have turned Sanders into a devil.

Also realize that a many of the reasons Clinton lost didn't have anything to do with her stupid scandals. It was stuff like:

-rust belt/coal revitalization: Sanders would have been much more hard line on environmental policy

-reaction to BLM and "PC" culture: Sanders would have been much more openly empathetic to BLM

-ACA: Sanders supporter a single payer system (which ironically is cheaper but v0v)

-Law and Order: Sanders was for more conciliatory to BLM and whatnot than Clinton was.

Sanders would not have won. The alt-right drove this election and they hated him *much* more than her.
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Sure, many people would have still voted against Bernie, but you can't write off everyone who voted for Trump as part of the alt-right and all having the same policy positions. Bernie wouldn't need to reach most of them. Even assuming that Bernie being the candidate wouldn't have any impact on voter turnout for the Democrats, he would need something like 1-3% of those who voted for Trump to vote for him instead to flip the close states like Florida, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Given the Hillary had an unfavorably rating of over 50%, it's not a reach at all to think that there are at least that many people that voted against Hillary because they despised her personally but wouldn't care about things like Sanders supporting single payer or being empathetic to BLM.
 
strawman

strawman

Tress said:
Most young people are apathetic assholes when it comes to voting. They'll talk a big game and then stay home. It would have been the same for Sanders.
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Obama did an exceptional job of getting out the young voters. While it would be nice for the citizens to be proactive, it's the candidates job to give them a reason to spend time voting.

70 year old scandal chased elitist political dynasty candidate?

I guess playing video games was more interesting.
 
Tress

Tress

stienman said:
Obama did an exceptional job of getting out the young voters. While it would be nice for the citizens to be proactive, it's the candidates job to give them a reason to spend time voting.

70 year old scandal chased elitist political dynasty candidate?

I guess playing video games was more interesting.
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...which is a fair point. Hilary Clinton wasn't exciting ANYONE. I'm just not sure that Bernie Sanders would have been enough to get a substantial youth vote.
 
strawman

strawman

Tress said:
...which is a fair point. Hilary Clinton wasn't exciting ANYONE. I'm just not sure that Bernie Sanders would have been enough to get a substantial youth vote.
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I suspect you're right, though I think he was much more interesting to the youth than clinton.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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I'll be honest I respect the balls on him to go after Medicare. Medicare and social security are two of the biggest hypocritical issues for the Republican Party as they are so vehemently anti-entitlement spending but way too scared to touch anything the AARP cares about.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's a terrible idea and just another way to complicate our healthcare system and make it more complex and less effective, but I do have to respect Ryan for at least being consistent.
 
Null

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...pay_less_in_taxes_on_his_fancy_new_hotel.html

The president-elect is suing the nation’s capital over hotel taxes.
Lawyers for an LLC owned by Donald Trump and his children will try again to reclaim tax revenue from Washington, D.C., Bloomberg BNA reported on Wednesday. Their first suit, which alleged that the District overtaxed the Trump International Hotel, was dismissed in late October. It is now being refiled in separate petitions for each of the lots that make up the property.
The hotel in question is located in the Old Post Office Building, a federal property that Trump Post Office LLC rents from the U.S. General Services Administration, or GSA. In two months, Donald Trump will have the power to appoint the head of the GSA, which would handle any contract renegotiations with the hotel, which will apparently be controlled at that point by a trust run by the president’s children.

But that’s all to come. Back in June, Trump’s team argued that its $1.7 million annual tax bill in 2015 and 2016 was too high because the hotel was only partially completed at that time. They also said the lease, which the city assessed at $98 million and lowered to $91 million on appeal, was only worth about $28 million, according to Politico.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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TBH I don't have a problem with that. Trumps businesses are going to do what any business will do to get by in a tight market, and that includes stuff like this. As long as his investments and his business are set up in a way that he can't have any influence on them or vice versa then I don't see a problem. And seeing as it's a longstanding tradition for presidents to manage their holdings through a blind trust, which handles conflicts of interest like this then it should be ok.

Oh....

Wait....
 
Null

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...appointment/57MFSBYKGNI0RcP0nVwIWL/story.html

Over 150 members of the House of Representatives, which is more than 1/3rd of the entire House, have urged Trump to rescind his nomination of Breitbart's Bannon. All 169 are Democrats. This could be a sign of things to come.

In other news, Trump's National Security guru, former Lt. General Michael Flynn, is in the pay of a Dutch lobbyist firm on behalf of Turkey's government and president Erdogan. He has also been known to have personal meetings in Moscow with Vladimir Putin and appeared on RT, a Russian government news channel.
 
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Zero Esc said:
He caved on Christie, he could cave on Bannon.
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He did not cave on Christie. His son-in-law fired Christie over a personal grudge.

Chris Christie sent Jared Kushner's father, Charlie Kushner, to prison for 16 felonies, including tax evasion, witness tampering, and, among other things, hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, filming them having sex, and sending the tape to his sister.

Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump's official husband, feels that his father serving 18 months was vastly unfair, and so he has purged Christie and all of Christie's people from the Trump transition team.
 
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Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Null said:
He did not cave on Christie. His son-in-law fired Christie over a personal grudge.

Chris Christie sent Jared Kushner's father, Charlie Kushner, to prison for 16 felonies, including tax evasion, witness tampering, and, among other things, hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, filming them having sex, and sending the tape to his sister.

Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump's official husband, feels that his father serving 18 months was vastly unfair, and so he has purged Christie and all of Christie's people from the Trump transition team.
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The White House is going to break into factions as this goes on. Prepare for Game of Thrones: America.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Zero Esc said:
The White House is going to break into factions as this goes on. Prepare for Game of Thrones: America.
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It must be nice, it must be nice
to have Washington on your side
It must be nice, it must be nice
to have Washington on your side


Every action has its equal, opposite reactions
Thanks to Trump our cab’net’s fractured into factions
Try not to crack under the stress, we’re breaking down like fractions
We smack each other in the press, and we don’t print retractions
I get no satisfaction witnessing his fits of passion
The way he primps and preens and dresses like the pits of fashion
Our poorest citizens, our farmers, live ration to ration
As Wall Street robs ‘em blind in search of chips to cash in
This prick is askin’ for someone to bring him to task
Somebody gimme some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him
I’ll pull the trigger on him, someone load the gun and cock it
While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket

 
Frank

Frank

Dave said:
This is what America voted for. We said he was racist and misogynistic, but everyone thought we were being alarmist liberal pussies.

Fuck you.
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To be fair, America voted overwhelmingly against him being president, some votes just count more.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

DarkAudit said:
It's by no means a sure thing that the Electoral College will install this bunch of fuckwits into power. The bridge burning has already begun, and we're barely a week past the election. "Tradition" says the winner takes all the electoral votes where not mandated by law. Well, FUCK TRADITION. Don't give my any of that "will of the people" crap. They made a stupid-ass decision, and the wisest thing to do is to ignore it.

You don't want Hillary, though? I hear you. Why not place someone else's name into nomination, like, say, Joe Biden?

Someone wiser and with far more connections than I could ever dream of having should make this happen.
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I want you to think really hard about the implications of everything you just said, and what it would mean for the country if they actually did what you're calling for.
 
Dei

Dei

The only way that might not end in Gas's fortold bloody revolution (or at the very least severe civil unrest, especially from the alt-right) would be if they put a different Republican in the presidency. The alt-right and Trumpettes would still cause a lot of problems though. I'm holding out hope that most of Trump's ludicrous ideas will at least be stymied by enough Republicans crossing sides to stop him. I'm already pretty sure that the Senate is going to be filibuster city. It's going to come down to what Trump tries to get away with in executive orders, because it's already obvious (so far at least, it could change) that the military does not have a lot of faith in Trump, and probably won't follow anything blatantly deviant.
 
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