[Movies] Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER THREAD

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

I thought this was a great article about the critics/fans split.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/...eaction-reddit-fans?__twitter_impression=true
 
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun.
Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
This planet has—or rather had—a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn’t the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.
And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.


I thought this was a great article about the critics/fans split.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/...eaction-reddit-fans?__twitter_impression=true
I'm happy with Johnson shaking things up. I definitely don't want a story that's written to try and please everyone.

And the fact that so many entitled crybabies are throwing tantrums on the internet over it makes me like Snoke's sudden death even more. :devil:
 

GasBandit

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It's funny Gas just posted the photo above, because I was going to mention one of the hardest things for me to watch because it was so uncomfortable. Not just because it looks like they CG'd Adam Drivers tiny, round head on a much larger body, and probably not creating the Marvel Moment** they were hoping for, but because it became that awful moment in Force-chat Roulette where some guy thinks it's totally okay to ambush you with his nudity and refuses to stop even when you flat-out tell him you're uncomfortable. Weinsteins exist even in a galaxy far, far away. :eww:
 
First in my class here at M.I.T., Got skills, I'm a Champion of D&D, MC Escher that's my favorite MC, Keep your 40 I'll just have an Earl Grey tea, My rims never spin - to the contrary, You'll find that they're quite stationary, All of my action figures are cherry, Stephen Hawking's in my library, My MySpace page is all totally pimped out, Got people begging for my top 8 spaces, Yo I know Pi to a thousand places, Ain't got no grills but I still wear braces...

I'm happy with Johnson shaking things up. I definitely don't want a story that's written to try and please everyone.
I've never quite grasped it when people complain that a story "isn't what they were expecting" - isn't that the point of enjoying a story that someone else has created (rather than just using one's own imagination)? (Of course, I get it when people are mad that a main player's characterization/motivation/etc. shifts dramatically within a story without a good reason, but that's just one of many examples of sh*tty writing, which everyone should despise.)

But Snoke's death (as one example of complaints)? For one, it's really not that unexpected, since throughout these movies they've established that Dark Side apprentices sort of have a habit of taking out their mentors/masters at some point. And did anyone really think that this was going to lead to Snoke's story becoming more important than Kylo Ren's? (Do people dislike Adam Driver that much that they were hoping that Kylo Ren would be killed off or remain in the background for this and the next installment?). Of course, it might've been fun if they went with the idea of redeeming Kylo Ren in TLJ, with Ben and Rey fighting together against Snoke/The First Order, but then it's just down to "probably good with some nuance" team fighting irredeemably bad Nazi-esque dudes, which is basically just the final fight of Harry Potter.
 

Dave

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If you can't stand what someone else wrote/directed, stay in your dark room and write sad fanfiction.[DOUBLEPOST=1513707393,1513707154][/DOUBLEPOST]Red delicious apples are such a piece-of-shit fruit. They have the taste and texture of sawdust wrapped in a stack of wet college-ruled paper. It doesn't make a difference if it's refrigerated, rotten, or smashed underfoot since it'll still taste the same. They should not be on elementary teacher's "Good Job!" stamps. They do not deserve to be in every goddamn grocery store. They DO NOT deserve to be the fucking ClipArt/stock photo. I don't have enough words to describe how much bullshit red delicious apples are.

If I had a time machine but only got one use, I'd go back in time and find the farmer who first grew red delicious apples, burn his farm to the ground, and punch him in the dickhole.

Personally, I'd have liked to see Rey turned to the dark side while Kylo was cast aside and joined the rebellion while still fighting his nature.

Or actually have HAD Snoke be the BIG BAD GUY and have Kylo join Rey. But they'd have had to do a lot more to complexify Snoke to make him be worth a shit to anyone. As it stands he was about as complex a character as a generic Hispanic gang member you see in all cop movies.
 
Red delicious apples are such a piece-of-shit fruit. They have the taste and texture of sawdust wrapped in a stack of wet college-ruled paper. It doesn't make a difference if it's refrigerated, rotten, or smashed underfoot since it'll still taste the same. They should not be on elementary teacher's "Good Job!" stamps. They do not deserve to be in every goddamn grocery store. They DO NOT deserve to be the fucking ClipArt/stock photo. I don't have enough words to describe how much bullshit red delicious apples are.

Personally, I'd have liked to see Rey turned to the dark side while Kylo was cast aside and joined the rebellion while still fighting his nature.
Also a cool concept, though I doubt Disney really wanted to make their shiny new space princess evil (unless they did a last-film redemption for her back to the Light Side). Also, seems like they can't figure out how to use their existing ostensibly evil lady in any useful way (viz. Phasma)
 
As it stands he was about as complex a character as a generic Hispanic gang member you see in all cop movies.
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission: to explore strange, new worlds; to seek out new life, and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before....
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Yeah, like I said earlier...Snoke is a Star Wars baddie like Dooku and Maul. Does anyone give a crap about their origin story? Probably. Does any of it get mentioned in the movies? Dooku the barest of bones, Maul nothing whatsoever. They needed to be there to move the story forward, not to be the Big Bad. Killing Dooku was important in Anakin's character. Killing Snoke was important for Ben's.
 
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's continuing mission: to explore strange, new worlds; to seek out new life, and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before....
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Yeah, like I said earlier...Snoke is a Star Wars baddie like Dooku and Maul. Does anyone give a crap about their origin story? Probably. Does any of it get mentioned in the movies? Dooku the barest of bones, Maul nothing whatsoever. They needed to be there to move the story forward, not to be the Big Bad. Killing Dooku was important in Anakin's character. Killing Snoke was important for Ben's.
I am pretty sure that there is a current TV show about the training and downfall of Snoke. Star Wars Rebels.
 
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So the movies seem to be roughly following a pattern with the genders reversed. ANH and TFA are the broad-plotted movies to establish the cast. ESB and TLJ are the downer, all hope looks lost movies.

Does this mean Episode IX with have Finn and Poe in gold bikinis?



Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please...
 

GasBandit

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Does this mean Episode IX with have Finn and Poe in gold bikinis?



Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please...
Keltsy in the theater for episode 9, shouting at the screen. "BE MORE NAKEDER!"
 
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So the movies seem to be roughly following a pattern with the genders reversed. ANH and TFA are the broad-plotted movies to establish the cast. ESB and TLJ are the downer, all hope looks lost movies.
Does this mean Episode IX with have Finn and Poe in gold bikinis?
Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please...
Great, now I have the Patapon theme stuck in my head.

And I fully support the bikinification of the male leads in theory, but for some reason, I keep picturing Harvey Weinstein as Ep IX's Jabba the Hutt, so that takes all the fun out of it :confused:

In actuality, the wacky detail I'm most interested in seeing is how they rebuild their fleet - they're down to a single ship at this point, which is entirely untenable. Though probably they'll just opening-crawl it to say that they've scavenged together the rust-buckets from a hundred abandoned Rebel bases and are preparing their rag-tag fleet for a final assault on the First Order...
 

Dave

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Listen to me you cucked little dipshit, you come around here spreading your lies and propaganda because youre a sick pedo sympathizing pervert? Hiding behind the percieved anonymity that is merely a veil of transparency that can easily be compromised. Anyone who says pizzagate is impossible is a pedo sympathizer. It's all possible, and should be investigated. I'll accept it's "unlikely" or the "theory has holes" but any firm discount in the absence of investigation stinks to high heaven and you know it.

Though probably they'll just opening-crawl it to say that they've scavenged together the rust-buckets from a hundred abandoned Rebel bases and are preparing their rag-tag fleet for a final assault on the First Order...
Which will be on a giant floating space station that resembles a moon...
 
Great, now I have the Patapon theme stuck in my head.

And I fully support the bikinification of the male leads in theory, but for some reason, I keep picturing Harvey Weinstein as Ep IX's Jabba the Hutt, so that takes all the fun out of it :confused:

In actuality, the wacky detail I'm most interested in seeing is how they rebuild their fleet - they're down to a single ship at this point, which is entirely untenable. Though probably they'll just opening-crawl it to say that they've scavenged together the rust-buckets from a hundred abandoned Rebel bases and are preparing their rag-tag fleet for a final assault on the First Order...
Not to mention that the entire GALACTIC Republic's Fleet was on a handful of planets in one star system? The first order should still be behind the 8 ball compared to the fleet needed to keep tabs on a society that stretches across an entire galaxy.
 
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Which will be on a giant floating space station that resembles a moon...
But unlike the starkiller base it'll be even bigger!
 

GasBandit

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If you can't stand what someone else wrote/directed, stay in your dark room and write sad fanfiction.[DOUBLEPOST=1513707393,1513707154][/DOUBLEPOST]Red delicious apples are such a piece-of-shit fruit. They have the taste and texture of sawdust wrapped in a stack of wet college-ruled paper. It doesn't make a difference if it's refrigerated, rotten, or smashed underfoot since it'll still taste the same. They should not be on elementary teacher's "Good Job!" stamps. They do not deserve to be in every goddamn grocery store. They DO NOT deserve to be the fucking ClipArt/stock photo. I don't have enough words to describe how much bullshit red delicious apples are.

If I had a time machine but only got one use, I'd go back in time and find the farmer who first grew red delicious apples, burn his farm to the ground, and punch him in the dickhole.
Red Delicious apples were extensively cultivated because they're big, colorful, and LOOK delicious. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/the-evil-reign-of-the-red-delicious/379892/
 
Logical truth is one of the most fundamental concepts in logic, and there are different theories on its nature. A logical truth is a statement which is true, and remains true under all reinterpretations of its components other than its logical constants. It is a type of analytic statement. All of philosophical logic can be thought of as providing accounts of the nature of logical truth, as well as logical consequence.[1]

Logical truths (including tautologies) are truths which are considered to be necessarily true. This is to say that they are considered to be such that they could not be untrue and no situation could arise which would cause us to reject a logical truth. It must be true in every sense of intuition, practices, and bodies of beliefs. However, it is not universally agreed that there are any statements which are necessarily true.

A logical truth is considered by some philosophers to be a statement which is true in all possible worlds. This is contrasted with facts (which may also be referred to as contingent claims or synthetic claims) which are true in this world, as it has historically unfolded, but which is not true in at least one possible world, as it might have unfolded. The proposition "If p and q, then p" and the proposition "All married people are married" are logical truths because they are true due to their inherent structure and not because of any facts of the world. Later, with the rise of formal logic a logical truth was considered to be a statement which is true under all possible interpretations.

The existence of logical truths has been put forward by rationalist philosophers as an objection to empiricism because they hold that it is impossible to account for our knowledge of logical truths on empiricist grounds. Empiricists commonly respond to this objection by arguing that logical truths (which they usually deem to be mere tautologies), are analytic and thus do not purport to describe the world.


the wacky detail I'm most interested in seeing is how they rebuild their fleet - they're down to a single ship at this point, which is entirely untenable. Though probably they'll just opening-crawl it to say that they've scavenged together the rust-buckets from a hundred abandoned Rebel bases and are preparing their rag-tag fleet for a final assault on the First Order...
General (admiral? I dunno) Leia used her personal code for the distress signal.

There was no response. Radio silence.

I don't think they can recover the rebellion from this, and all the talk of "balance", particularly the idea that Rey's immense power only exists to counter Kylo's immense power, and that had Kylo not risen (from the skywalker line) Rey would not have been this superpower, suggests to me that there's a similar balance in the galaxy for the federation/first order/rebellion/etc. There will always be push and pull, but now that the rebellion is decimated, and the First Order has lost its effective leader (and gained an ineffective one, which will necessarily result in infighting) I don't think they are in balance anymore.

I suspect the rebellion is going to have to be reborn, probably as something else. The old rebellion, characterized by Leia's generation, is failed. It's time for the next generation, and they're not going to be led by Rey.

But. Given the response to Leia's personal distress signal, I don't think they're going to get much help from the rest of the galaxy.

It still cracks me up how Rose had to stun Finn right after fangirling about him.
 
Maître Corbeau, sur un arbre perché, Tenait en son bec un fromage. Maître Renard, par l'odeur alléché, Lui tint à peu près ce langage: Et bonjour, Monsieur du Corbeau, Que vous êtes joli ! que vous me semblez beau! Sans mentir, si votre ramage, Se rapporte à votre plumage,Vous êtes le Phénix des hôtes de ces bois. À ces mots le Corbeau ne se sent pas de joie, Et pour montrer sa belle voix,Il ouvre un large bec, laisse tomber sa proie. Le Renard s'en saisit, et dit : Mon bon Monsieur, Apprenez que tout flatteur, Vit aux dépens de celui qui l'écoute. Cette leçon vaut bien un fromage sans doute. Le Corbeau honteux et confus, Jura, mais un peu tard, qu'on ne l'y prendrait plus.

Which will be on a giant floating space station that resembles a moon...
It would be a far more compelling story if the bad guys would ever realize that simply disseminating themseleves EVERYWHERE works far better than putting all of their power players onto one giant explody thing. But they'd probably need more than 1 movie for the Resistance to rebuild and address a more widespread/less focused threat.

Not to mention that the entire GALACTIC Republic's Fleet was on a handful of planets in one star system? The first order should still be behind the 8 ball compared to the fleet needed to keep tabs on a society that stretches across an entire galaxy.
The whole ship thing is weird to me - ostensibly, the Resistance was utilizing the Republic's remaining fleet for many of the bigger vessels (crew transports, medical frigates, etc.), as well as their lightweight combat ships. Meanwhile, the First Order was buying/sourcing their fleet en masse from ...somewhere large, presumably? Then in TLJ, while on the stolen ship, Finn, Rose, and Benicio discover that the oligarchs are selling ships to both sides, but logically, how does that work?

The Resistance would be acquiring any ships on a limited basis, given their few numbers (and presumably somewhat scant financial resources) whereas the First Order would be placing giant orders from large companies, and would likely not take kindly to discovering that a supplier was also providing ships to their enemy. What possible purpose could there be in one corporation/seller risking the sale of a few ships to the Resistance while the First Order is breathing down their neck?

Unless it's meant to be taken more literally, and the owner of the stolen shuttle was selling individual TIE fighter and X wing units, but that makes even less sense - it's not like the First Order is buying one TIE fighter at a time! (Though, actually, it *would* make sense if they'd sold both First Order and Resistance ships to someone in the Resistance - they're always sneaking past the defenses on enemy ships!) I suppose at some point one must simply shrug it off as "don't think about the movie logic too hard or it will break." And of course that whole bit was really meant to deliver the general message of "rich/bad people make money off of war, while innocent people die fighting said war."

General (admiral? I dunno) Leia used her personal code for the distress signal. There was no response. Radio silence. I don't think they can recover the rebellion from this, and all the talk of "balance", particularly the idea that Rey's immense power only exists to counter Kylo's immense power, and that had Kylo not risen (from the skywalker line) Rey would not have been this superpower, suggests to me that there's a similar balance in the galaxy for the federation/first order/rebellion/etc.
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I suspect the rebellion is going to have to be reborn, probably as something else.
For all the "we've put out distress signals to all our friends in all the places" talk, when they said that, my immediate thought was "Whom are they trying to signal? Everyone we (the audience) know about is either hiding out there in the Alamo, or dead. If someone comes in to rescue them, it'll have to be someone entirely new (or Lando, I guess?) and it's awfully late in the movie to introduce new friends..." So, they were always going to be on their own to save themselves and try to rebuild their ranks.

In TLJ, we see the seeds of the new rebellion forming with the Force-sensitive kids, but it'll take a decade or more for them to be useful. Unless there is a (very) significant timeskip for IX, they're going to have to recruit help from their contemporaries, but maybe that will be the impetus to reforming a more balanced Galactic senate?
 

GasBandit

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In my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice that I’ve been turning over in my mind ever since. “Whenever you feel like criticizing any one,” he told me, “just remember that all the people in this world haven’t had the advantages that you’ve had.”

The whole ship thing is weird to me - ostensibly, the Resistance was utilizing the Republic's remaining fleet for many of the bigger vessels (crew transports, medical frigates, etc.), as well as their lightweight combat ships. Meanwhile, the First Order was buying/sourcing their fleet en masse from ...somewhere large, presumably? Then in TLJ, while on the stolen ship, Finn, Rose, and Benicio discover that the oligarchs are selling ships to both sides, but logically, how does that work?

The Resistance would be acquiring any ships on a limited basis, given their few numbers (and presumably somewhat scant financial resources) whereas the First Order would be placing giant orders from large companies, and would likely not take kindly to discovering that a supplier was also providing ships to their enemy. What possible purpose could there be in one corporation/seller risking the sale of a few ships to the Resistance while the First Order is breathing down their neck?

Unless it's meant to be taken more literally, and the owner of the stolen shuttle was selling individual TIE fighter and X wing units, but that makes even less sense - it's not like the First Order is buying one TIE fighter at a time! (Though, actually, it *would* make sense if they'd sold both First Order and Resistance ships to someone in the Resistance - they're always sneaking past the defenses on enemy ships!) I suppose at some point one must simply shrug it off as "don't think about the movie logic too hard or it will break." And of course that whole bit was really meant to deliver the general message of "rich/bad people make money off of war, while innocent people die fighting said war."
I can definitely tell you that, canonically, TIE Fighters and X-Wings were manufactured by two entirely different companies (Sienar Fleet Systems and Incom Corp, respectively, and I don't know whether to be proud or embarrassed that I remember that without looking it up). So the shuttle's owner had to be a middleman of some sort.
 
In my younger and more vulnerable years my father gave me some advice that I’ve been turning over in my mind ever since. “Whenever you feel like criticizing any one,” he told me, “just remember that all the people in this world haven’t had the advantages that you’ve had.”


I can definitely tell you that, canonically, TIE Fighters and X-Wings were manufactured by two entirely different companies (Sienar Fleet Systems and Incom Corp, respectively, and I don't know whether to be proud or embarrassed that I remember that without looking it up). So the shuttle's owner had to be a middleman of some sort.
Or they merged at some point
 
I can definitely tell you that, canonically, TIE Fighters and X-Wings were manufactured by two entirely different companies (Sienar Fleet Systems and Incom Corp, respectively, and I don't know whether to be proud or embarrassed that I remember that without looking it up). So the shuttle's owner had to be a middleman of some sort.
100% some kind of arms dealer. I can't imagine a company being allowed to directly sell to both sides of any war. You certainly can't in our world.
 
So, there's a man crawling through the desert.

He'd decided to try his SUV in a little bit of cross-country travel, had great fun zooming over the badlands and through the sand, got lost, hit a big rock, and then he couldn't get it started again. There were no cell phone towers anywhere near, so his cell phone was useless. He had no family, his parents had died a few years before in an auto accident, and his few friends had no idea he was out here.



This movie left me underwhelmed. I think I’m done with Star Wars. Everything with Finn, Rose, and Poe was pointless. Raiders of the Lost Ark pointless. They all failed downward constantly and only kept getting chances and moving to the next completely pointless time filler because of BB-8.

The stuff with Luke, Rey, and Ben was pretty good. It’s too bad the first order is a completely nonsensical “we need a fill in for the empire” big bad. But that was my complaint with them in Force Awakens and Last Jedi just continues that complaint so no real point holding that against it.
 
So, there's a man crawling through the desert.

He'd decided to try his SUV in a little bit of cross-country travel, had great fun zooming over the badlands and through the sand, got lost, hit a big rock, and then he couldn't get it started again. There were no cell phone towers anywhere near, so his cell phone was useless. He had no family, his parents had died a few years before in an auto accident, and his few friends had no idea he was out here.



This movie left me underwhelmed. I think I’m done with Star Wars. Everything with Finn, Rose, and Poe was pointless. Raiders of the Lost Ark pointless. They all failed downward constantly and only kept getting chances and moving to the next completely pointless time filler because of BB-8.

The stuff with Luke, Rey, and Ben was pretty good. It’s too bad the first order is a completely nonsensical “we need a fill in for the empire” big bad. But that was my complaint with them in Force Awakens and Last Jedi just continues that complaint so no real point holding that against it.
I actually liked it a lot more on the second viewing, when the first viewing left me feeling uncertain and like I needed to see it again. The major theme of the movie is failure, and growing from failure.

One thing I found really interesting: I've never existed in a world where I watched Empire Strikes Back without also being able to watch return of the Jedi as well. In doing some digging, I discovered that there was a lot of backlash against Empire when it first came out, because the heroes failed. Luke lost, Han was potentially gone forever, and even the time period's version of anti-sjws were claiming that Lando was just affirmative action.
 
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I actually liked it a lot more on the second viewing, when the first viewing left me feeling uncertain and like I needed to see it again. The major theme of the movie is failure, and growing from failure.

One thing I found really interesting: I've never existed I'm a world where I watched Empire Strikes Back without also being able to watch return of the Jedi as well. In doing some digging, I discovered that there was a lot of backlash against Empire when it first came out, because the heroes failed. Luke lost, Han was potentially gone forever, and even the time period's version of anti-sjws were claiming that Lando was just affirmative action.
Can confirm.

The Rebellion got their asses handed to them. We had no idea if Han was still alive. Darth Vader said he was Luke's father WHAT THE FUCK? He must be lying, right? RIGHT? And then we got left hanging with all that for three years.

Waiting for Return of the Jedi to come out was :aaah:. But it all turned out in the end!
 
Can confirm.

The Rebellion got their asses handed to them. We had no idea if Han was still alive. Darth Vader said he was Luke's father WHAT THE FUCK? He must be lying, right? RIGHT? And then we got left hanging with all that for three years.

Waiting for Return of the Jedi to come out was :aaah:. But it all turned out in the end!
Except for the Ewoks.
 
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