[Movies] Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER THREAD

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That makes sense. Yeah, I don't think anything going on in The Last Jedi was a secret. Even the secrets..

My chief complaint toward The Last Jedi is that I can no longer refer to Return of the Jedi as just Jedi.
Well, you could just call it the last Jedi. Not the first Jedi, but the last Jedi.
 
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Since I've been thinking about all this recently, I realized that Luke was pretty badass in RotJ. Single-handedly (literally) waltzed into Jabba's palace and fucked things up (with some help from R2D2). He kicked Vader's ass (though Vader may have been distracted). If he hadn't thrown his saber down like a dummy, could he have dealt with the Emperor on his own? Who knows. I guess that's as good as we will get for Jedi badassery.
I believe forming a visual presence on another planet lightyears from his location and fooling a powerful jedi user long enough to allow his friends to escape eclipses all those.

He's finally finished his training. Yoda insisted he'd be more helpful to his friends if he completed his training than if he ran off and saved them, and he didn't listen then. Yoda gave him his final lesson, he listened, and he's finally figured out he doesn't need to run off to save someone, he can do it from the comfort of his own hermitage.

I think, all this time, he still didn't fully understand the force. He was able to use it, like Vader he had a talent and didn't have to work hard to use it, so he never had to struggle to truly understand it.

Once he reached a true understanding of it, he became much more capable - and much less violent. It was only due to that understanding that he became one with the force - I suspect if he had died prior to this movie he wouldn't be a force ghost (which we have no evidence of, but I'm sure he'll be back - someone needs to train Rey - and Ben).
 

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Living in a community with a HUGE pacifist culture, Luke's actions at the end of TLJ were very well-received. A victory without violence was seen as truly something special. It's an interesting take on it.
 
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Living in a community with a HUGE pacifist culture, Luke's actions at the end of TLJ were very well-received. A victory without violence was seen as truly something special. It's an interesting take on it.
It's the part I found most interesting. Lots of people are saying they wanted to see Luke slashing shit up, but I think saving the day without ever actually wielding a weapon or hurting anyone is much more what an idealized Jedi Master would do.
 
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That sucks. How can you live in a community that doesn't play hockey?
You're telling me! My wife doesn't want the kid to play hockey when he grows up.

So I bought him this:
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It's the part I found most interesting. Lots of people are saying they wanted to see Luke slashing shit up, but I think saving the day without ever actually wielding a weapon or hurting anyone is much more what an idealized Jedi Master would do.
And I think it's such a rarity in blockbuster film making that it should be lauded. A lot of other stuff from the movie was pure garbage but that was wonderful.
 
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I believe forming a visual presence on another planet lightyears from his location and fooling a powerful jedi user long enough to allow his friends to escape eclipses all those.

He's finally finished his training. Yoda insisted he'd be more helpful to his friends if he completed his training than if he ran off and saved them, and he didn't listen then. Yoda gave him his final lesson, he listened, and he's finally figured out he doesn't need to run off to save someone, he can do it from the comfort of his own hermitage.

I think, all this time, he still didn't fully understand the force. He was able to use it, like Vader he had a talent and didn't have to work hard to use it, so he never had to struggle to truly understand it.

Once he reached a true understanding of it, he became much more capable - and much less violent. It was only due to that understanding that he became one with the force - I suspect if he had died prior to this movie he wouldn't be a force ghost (which we have no evidence of, but I'm sure he'll be back - someone needs to train Rey - and Ben).
Going off your point, there's something I realized about Luke's development as a Jedi:

He had to do it all by himself. After Yoda's training, he had no one. No Jedi Council, no Obi-Wan, no Yoda. He didn't return to Yoda to finish his training. The next time he saw Yoda was when the little green guy was on his death bed. Heck, when he told Yoda he was finally a Jedi Master, Yoda was all like, "Oh ARE you now?" Luke really has no idea what it means to be a Jedi Master. Sure, he had the books (where did he get those, anyway?). But book learning is one thing. Having someone guide you through that teaching and/or applying that knowledge is a totally different thing. And he didn't have any of that. The only two Jedi he was familiar with both lived their later lives as hermits. After everything he went through, including basically created Kylo Ren, he probably saw that as the most reasonable course of action.

But then, with Last Jedi, I think he finally understood what it truly meant to be a Jedi. It's the lesson he learned with Obi-Wan's death: sometimes, the violent route isn't the right route.
 
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