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Yes but there's a difference between "this demographic generally voted for trump so I want them all to die" and "I specifically want trump voters to die."
 
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Can we maybe not wish anyone to die?
Nah. I mean, I don't want to start up concentration camps or anything but if someone dies of an treatable medical condifion because they were unsure of how they'd be able to pay for it because they don't have insurance because they voted for the fascist that campaigned on cutting health insurance for the poor, im cool with that.
 
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A quote from a non-politics thread and from literally the day after the election. Cool, bro.
 
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A quote from a non-politics thread and from literally the day after the election. Cool, bro.
Hey, if you regret saying them and want to apologize or clarify then go ahead and do so. It would be a step up from what Trump does when people quote his old statements back at him - I don't think he has the mental capacity to regret, nevermind admit fault or grow.
 
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Hey, if you regret saying them and want to apologize or clarify then go ahead and do so. It would be a step up from what Trump does when people quote his old statements back at him - I don't think he has the mental capacity to regret, nevermind admit fault or grow.
Weird how you seem to think he should apologise when you're basically advocating the same thing he is, just not with the more direct terms he uses:


If, however, your plan is to not prepare, and not plan ahead, and instead blame society for not taking care of you when you became ill, and demand that others take care of your medical expense then I'd suggest that's a poor plan, and you may be disappointed with your decision should you become seriously ill.
You both seems to be saying that you don't mind if people's bad choices come back to bite them in the ass when it comes to an issue that might kill them...
 
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Weird how you seem to think he should apologise when you're basically advocating the same thing he is, just not with the more direct terms he uses:




You both seems to be saying that you don't mind if people's bad choices come back to bite them in the ass when it comes to an issue that might kill them...
The sick and the poor came to Jesus seeking help, and Jesus told them they should have planned better.
 

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The sick and the poor came to Jesus seeking help, and Jesus told them they should have planned better.
As opposed to Jesus then turning to the sick and the poor's neighbors and saying "if y'all don't pay for this guy's health care, you're going to hell!"?
 
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The sick and the poor came to Jesus seeking help, and Jesus told them they should have planned better.
And the real sad thing is that it's been proven again and again that a society is better off not letting people end in in desperate situations because they "deserved it".
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As opposed to Jesus then turning to the sick and the poor's neighbors and saying "if y'all don't pay for this guy's health care, you're going to hell!"?
That's actually in the Bible... or did they make a camel that fits through the eye of a needle and i'm ignorant about it?

Also, wasn't there something about a poor woman giving as little as she could being more worthy then the rich giving lavishly?

Giving everything to help others was, like, one of his big things...

EDIT: Oh, and aren't you all already paying everyone's emergency care through higher prices, because they have to recoup their costs (and make a lot of profit - i mean, really, no way it's just recouping costs) of those people that can't even pay by getting their property repossessed, coz they don't have any?
 

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That's actually in the Bible... or did they make a camel that fits through the eye of a needle and i'm ignorant about it?

Also, wasn't there something about a poor woman giving as little as she could being more worthy then the rich giving lavishly?

Giving everything to help others was, like, one of his big things...
The important distinction is in whether that giving is "giving," as in charity... or if it is being taken in the name of charity, which then may or may not actually go to said charity.
 
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The important distinction is in whether that giving is "giving," as in charity... or if it is being taken in the name of charity, which then may or may not actually go to said charity.
Yes, there's really no forcing someone to give when you're just promising them eternal agony if they don't.


which then may or may not actually go to said charity.
That's another issue, and one that's not limited to the government... you should know that, since Mega-Churches and needing a 4th private jet are a US thing...
 
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The important distinction is in whether that giving is "giving," as in charity... or if it is being taken in the name of charity, which then may or may not actually go to said charity.
Oh, don't start up the social responsibility argument again.

--Patrick
 
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So, I don't have time to go back and look through this thread, but did I at some point mention that I'm actually on "Obamacare"?

Of course, Arizona calls it "AHCCCS", or "Access" for short. And it's essentially considered Medicaid. But I bought it through the Healthcare.gov website, so there you go.
 

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There's a difference between what makes a cable company a geographic monopoly and what determines how many hospitals there are in an area. It would only be an apt comparison if the hospitals had to build their own roads, and only their own ambulances could use the roads they built.

B/CS had 3 hospitals even before all the extra emergency rooms started popping up in 2016.
I disagree. Hospitals still have to have a certain amount of capital to function. They may not have to build routes to consumers, but they have to have buildings, and vehicles, and equipment, and personnel, etc. If they can't make as much money as they are making now, they won't want to compete, so they'll find ways to make sure they don't. Just like the cable companies make up excuses why they shouldn't have to compete.
 

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I disagree. Hospitals still have to have a certain amount of capital to function. They may not have to build routes to consumers, but they have to have buildings, and vehicles, and equipment, and personnel, etc. If they can't make as much money as they are making now, they won't want to compete, so they'll find ways to make sure they don't. Just like the cable companies make up excuses why they shouldn't have to compete.
The thing is, there's lots of fat to be trimmed in American medicine. Nobody denies that - even the hospitals know they charge way more than they "need to operate." If that wasn't true, we wouldn't be getting massive discounts for paying cash instead of going through insurance. And it definitely IS very different from having to literally create your own physical infrastructure. Yes, they don't WANT a competitive market, but the trick is creating an environment that forces competition (and punishes collusion). Because, as I said, without competition, it doesn't work. But even with competition lowering the profits, there's still plenty of wiggle room for a balance to be found.
 
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Hospitals shouldn't be for profit anyways.
I absolutely agree. The biggest problem is, what else? All state-run isn't a good option; most state-run with not-covered-by-insurance more expensive varieties leads to the problem you have with schools and, to a point, the UK had with hospitals. All just as non-profit private organisations means churches and similar control most of them, which undermines personal freedom - wether it's an abortion, a blood transfusion, or bigger boobs, not being able to get the medical help you need because all local hospitals are run by the same extreme church is problematic too.
 
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