GasBandit
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Regardless of the final court disposition, the point was, contrary to Blots' assertion, armed resistance WAS used, and it DID give government officials pause (IE they didn't just roll in there with a tank or drop a nuke and take everyone out, as every 2nd amendment opponent seems to imply will be the object of first resort in any such situation, so a standoff ensued).
I mean they were white.
GasBandit
Staff member
Well, to be fair, so were the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
It took them forming concentration camps for people start harassing them at dinner let’s tone down the rhetoric a bit chicken little. I think the repulic will be just fine if Huckabee can’t show her face in public.
Hard to call an attack on a military instillation a "terrorist attack." He was an insurgent.
GasBandit
Staff member
And here comes the Clerks "Death Star Contractors were innocent" debate again
The contractors should have been off the station when Luke attacked that minor military installation, Lando on the other hand....And here comes the Clerks "Death Star Contractors were innocent" debate again
figmentPez
Staff member
If anyone has a better alternative for keeping the Death Stars from being used to blow up future planets, I'm all ears.
I'll let you figure it out.
The prisoners (if there where any, it seemed pretty deserted when they rescued Leia, and teh station was new enough for it to not to have prior prisoners), sure, even if it couldn't be helped.
But teh contractors... they where literally building a weapon to blow up planets for an evil galactic regime... sorry, but they get no sympathy.
And you wouldn't even need a fancy wine either...
They did in the original EU. Chewie was a Wookie slave, and Han freed him from slavery, which is why Chewie owed Han a life debt.
Well the DS actually worked perfectly, for one. There's a reason why Panzers where so prone to breaking, using slave labour that hates you for anything but basic resource collection/mining = guaranteed sabotage (which is what they went with in Rogue One actually).
For another, even if they did, once the big fight with the Alliance was under way, they had a moral obligation to rebel... if they didn't one can assume they where ok with their fate either way.
That's some pretty black-and-white thinking there.
If anyone who ever had anything to do with a government or dictatorship or occupier is automatically in league with them and deserves to die as a collaborator for not rising up, you get into biblical "crush the men, kill the children, lead the women away as slaves" territory. I'd hope we've evolved past that.
If anyone who ever had anything to do with a government or dictatorship or occupier is automatically in league with them and deserves to die as a collaborator for not rising up, you get into biblical "crush the men, kill the children, lead the women away as slaves" territory. I'd hope we've evolved past that.
That quote probably sells enough bikes to compensate the lost revenue.
I dunno, I figure Harley Davidson's usual demographic tends to be pro-trump.
That's not what i was saying.
I was talking about the actual situation there, where the DS just destroyed Aldeeran, and was currently engaged in combat with the Alliance.
If you're aboard a war vessel that just committed war crimes, and do nothing to help the people currently fighting it, you no longer get to claim innocence for the purposes of it being wrong to blow you up.
Context matters people!
So.... Sex slaves forced onto the station to pleasure the officers? Civilian cooks doing indentured servantship aboard the station, no chocie in where to go and with a shock collar around their neck? The trash compactor monster's baby children in ten other waste management facilities, deplaced without consent and without knowledge of who or where they are? HR services member who's just trying to get to his pension and got transferred over to the station to handle vacation requests?
Saying everyone aboard such a station deserves to die is like saying everyone living on or in a 5 mile radius around a military base is a combattant. It's simply not true. A star destroyer, which is more-or-less an aircraft carrier? Ok, I can accept that. A space station housing 300K people? Ridiculous. They've got cinema operators and gym trainers and gourmet chefs and probably a flippin' theatre group performing for the military staff on there.
Why? BecauseWell, if you're just going to make up situation where they're completely unable to fight back at all, i don't know what to say, except that you're clearly ignoring my comment about context.
Sure, that might suck killing those people who couldn't do anything about anything, but it's not like letting them live while the DS keeps on killing planetary populations is actually helping them.
The 5 mile radius thing smells like uncertainty on your part...
But people living on a military base in a time of war... that's a pretty hard sell as a non-legitimate target.
Non-sentient beings tend to get a pass when it comes to moral responsibility...
Would you really find no fault in someone who was just handling the guards vacation requests in a concentration camp?
At some point you do bare some responsibility for the massacres the place you're working in is committing with your full knowledge (it's not like you just wouldn't notice the whole destroying a whole planet thing at some point)
So you base your assessment on how much room it has? Because that's about the only difference between it and a star destroyer when it comes to it's function.
I don't feel like continuing this random tangent, but yes: size-wise, it's simply impossible to have 300k soldiers who are all convinced fanatic soldiers.
There's also a difference between wartime and peace, between terrorist attack and military attack,.... as a civilian liberation organisation, the Rebellion might try something else.
GasBandit
Staff member
Yeah, the difference was That the Ruby Ridge people didn't actually commit any crimes warranting getting SWATted, had false charges filed against them, and weren't in the process of "resisting" until federal jackboot agents rolled up, threw rocks at their dogs, and started shooting when the dogs reacted.
The difference in Waco was Clinton appointees
... Isn't this a discussion about the goddamn death star?
I guess Trump not knowing how a primary works isn't that noteworthy considering everything else.
You'd think someone with family unwillingly on the Starkiller would understand the importance of this discussion.