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Chazwozel
Wait, my whole point was that being white: "I just don't get it" ala South Park.
Do you identify as a feminist?
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makare
Man I love south park. Im watching the eek a penis ep.
Riotous.
Riotous.
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Chazwozel
By your logic no immigrant is ever an American and no adopted child is ever a member of the family. Which is in fact, bullshit.[/QUOTE]
So if I move to France and get citizenship, people won't still think of me as American?
Technically you can change citizenship but the perception of others is pretty much consistent.
Eww don't say I know chaz intimately
and all i said was I know him some after talking to him on here for three years. I do not, and do not want to, know him "intimately" in any shape or form.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry toots. Large and in charge ain't the type of chicks I roll wit.
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makare
So your wife is a candy ass pansy?
/me makes note.
but what is here naaaaame?
/me makes note.
but what is here naaaaame?
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Chazwozel
Now, now, now let's leave her out of this mmmkay? Take all the potshots you want at me, but let's keep family out.
actually all you really know is that she can be small and meek, small and bossy, or large and meek.
He's left you with quite a few options.
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makare
I was just kidding because you are all raaaage you dont know my wife's name! BLARG
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Chazwozel
Fill in those gaps.
It's considered hitting below the belt, when you involve family.
If you're absolutely serious about this, then please just tone it back. Waving lists of wrongs in people's faces doesn't help. It only puts people on the defensive and creates bad feelings. In that list you posted, how is any man in this thread -- in the world -- supposed to change the fact that the major world religions have historically been patriarchies? They can't, so pushing stuff like that in people's faces is not productive. I'm going to assume that most of the men here have wives, girlfriends, mothers, sisters, and/or daughters that they love, so they're all aware of obstacles women face. So show some respect to the men here, okay? They get it.
"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" is absolutely true. I always approach men I meet with the benefit of the doubt: I assume he's going to respect me until he proves otherwise and that's worked great for nearly 40 years. If you want men to be allies of Feminism, then treat them like allies and not enemies.
Sara, where is that goddamned cherry pie?!
*Checks out your spoiler* OHH SHIIII!
This thread has turned into a hydra.
*Checks out your spoiler* OHH SHIIII!
This thread has turned into a hydra.
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makare
It's considered hitting below the belt, when you involve family.[/QUOTE]
I think it was pretty obvious I was just stating the opposite of what he said and was not in anyway referencing his actual wife.
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Chazwozel
It's considered hitting below the belt, when you involve family.[/QUOTE]
I think it was pretty obvious I was just stating the opposite of what he said and was not in anyway referencing his actual wife.[/QUOTE]
Should I start making reference to your sister's drug addiction in a clever little twist on what you say?
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makare
so you are saying your wife IS a candy ass pansy? Im confused.
If you're absolutely serious about this, then please just tone it back. Waving lists of wrongs in people's faces doesn't help. It only puts people on the defensive and creates bad feelings. In that list you posted, how is any man in this thread -- in the world -- supposed to change the fact that the major world religions have historically been patriarchies? They can't, so pushing stuff like that in people's faces is not productive. I'm going to assume that most of the men here have wives, girlfriends, mothers, sisters, and/or daughters that they love, so they're all aware of obstacles women face. So show some respect to the men here, okay? They get it.
"You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar" is absolutely true. I always approach men I meet with the benefit of the doubt: I assume he's going to respect me until he proves otherwise and that's worked great for nearly 40 years. If you want men to be allies of Feminism, then treat them like allies and not enemies.[/QUOTE]
but in all seriousness excellent post.
If I came off kind of antagonistic here, it's because I've had a lot of static/arguments in the past with people here along these same lines. The list of male privilege things are not supposed to make someone change the world, just make you aware of it, maybe think about it for a minute.
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Chazwozel
And what Sara is telling you is that you're just rubbing shit in our face with a squeaky clean smile.
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Keep on smilin'
*snip* See explanation in my response.
You should come into the politics board more often.
Either you are inconsistent with your original intent or you are splitting extremely fine hairs when you say it isn't supposed to make someone change the world. I don't think anyone expected world-changing, but I got the impression that you felt it could have an impact.
A blind, arms swinging in the dark impact.
Dave
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Okay, I'm writing in red now.
Makare, Chaz asked you nicely to leave his family out of it which is well withing his rights. Knock the shit off or get a 24 hour sit down. This is your warning.
Chaz, I know makare provoked it this time not backing off your wife. This is why you are getting a warning. She has made it clear she doesn't want her picture out there in the wild. Please refrain. This is your warning.
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By the way, I love when I have to write in red and see it with my avatar. It makes it authoritative yet somehow hilarious.
Makare, Chaz asked you nicely to leave his family out of it which is well withing his rights. Knock the shit off or get a 24 hour sit down. This is your warning.
Chaz, I know makare provoked it this time not backing off your wife. This is why you are getting a warning. She has made it clear she doesn't want her picture out there in the wild. Please refrain. This is your warning.
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By the way, I love when I have to write in red and see it with my avatar. It makes it authoritative yet somehow hilarious.
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Chazwozel
Word. Backing off...
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Element 117
Aww nah admin red font king in DA HOUSE BITCHES. This shit just got SCARLET! yo!
Man, I don't have time to read all this shit. Another 5 pages, good gods.
I can't pick a side in this particular Makare vs Chaz... both being asses. Not gonna say who I think was being moreso.
I can't pick a side in this particular Makare vs Chaz... both being asses. Not gonna say who I think was being moreso.
That's the thing. You're assuming they aren't aware of it. How could they not be? You're only the bajillionth person to tell them that their patriarchy is keeping the woman down.
As for the arguments, maybe they’re just arguing to argue with you? Running polls to ask people to label themselves “Us” or “Them” isn’t the best start for a discussion about “Us”.
If you're passionate about helping women and making people aware of the problems women face, why not put that passion towards helping women who truly need help? Post about fundraising drives for schools for Afghan children or microfinancing programs or Heifer International or any other organization that helps women overcome poverty and illiteracy. Then you’re raising awareness with something productive and positive rather than arguing about a label that has a negative connotation for many people.
Dave
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That's the thing. You're assuming they aren't aware of it. How could they not be? You're only the bajillionth person to tell them that their patriarchy is keeping the woman down.
As for the arguments, maybe they’re just arguing to argue with you? Running polls to ask people to label themselves “Us” or “Them” isn’t the best start for a discussion about “Us”.
If you're passionate about helping women and making people aware of the problems women face, why not put that passion towards helping women who truly need help? Post about fundraising drives for schools for Afghan children or microfinancing programs or Heifer International or any other organization that helps women overcome poverty and illiteracy. Then you’re raising awareness with something productive and positive rather than arguing about a label that has a negative connotation for many people.[/QUOTE]
You. Rock.
I wish I could pos rep you again.
I sent her some from both of us, Dave. 
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Element 117
That's the thing. You're assuming they aren't aware of it. How could they not be? You're only the bajillionth person to tell them that their patriarchy is keeping the woman down.
As for the arguments, maybe they’re just arguing to argue with you? Running polls to ask people to label themselves “Us” or “Them” isn’t the best start for a discussion about “Us”.
If you're passionate about helping women and making people aware of the problems women face, why not put that passion towards helping women who truly need help? Post about fundraising drives for schools for Afghan children or microfinancing programs or Heifer International or any other organization that helps women overcome poverty and illiteracy. Then you’re raising awareness with something productive and positive rather than arguing about a label that has a negative connotation for many people.[/QUOTE]
You. Rock.
I wish I could pos rep you again.[/QUOTE]
I obliged.
I'd rep her again if I hadn't yesterday. Someone said something similar to Charlie a while ago, but without links, so it probably got washed over with Chaz chazzing it up.
I wish I hadn't gone back through some of these pages. My opinions of certain people have dropped severely.
Charlie not being one of them. Charlie's at this stage in his social awareness where he's latched onto an idea and is clinging to it for dear life like a rockclimber with a sword in his teeth and a foot in his mouth beyond it. You see this most often with college freshmen, just breaking the surface of new ideas on culture and society, and in their excitement and zeal, they start mapping out the lines of battle (such as this poll) without realizing that there's no war happening around them. Because the ideas are not new to people--there's a crawl of development that society takes, and one more tool hopping up and down, screaming and flinging shit like a monkey isn't going to change minds. It never does. But this is a normal stage that people go through, where their minds are expanding and ideas are taking shape in lighter forms before they mellow out into reality. I went through it when I was 16. People often go through it 18-20. Some, much later.
I remember one of my first classes in college, Intro to Lit maybe, where one kid started ranting and raving suddenly about societal collapse and government problems and blah blah socialism blah. The professor let him get it out of his system, about a minute and a half. "Okay," she said in a blank tone, and then resumed talking about what our reading schedule would be. The kid's rant had nothing to do with the professor's words or anything we were doing. He looked around, as if he expected everyone to rise from their seats cheering, ready to march wherever that promising leader would bring them, but no one did. They paid attention to what was important (the class at hand) and let him sit quietly like he was supposed to. Because he couldn't grasp the difference between discussion and shouting.
I wish I hadn't gone back through some of these pages. My opinions of certain people have dropped severely.
Charlie not being one of them. Charlie's at this stage in his social awareness where he's latched onto an idea and is clinging to it for dear life like a rockclimber with a sword in his teeth and a foot in his mouth beyond it. You see this most often with college freshmen, just breaking the surface of new ideas on culture and society, and in their excitement and zeal, they start mapping out the lines of battle (such as this poll) without realizing that there's no war happening around them. Because the ideas are not new to people--there's a crawl of development that society takes, and one more tool hopping up and down, screaming and flinging shit like a monkey isn't going to change minds. It never does. But this is a normal stage that people go through, where their minds are expanding and ideas are taking shape in lighter forms before they mellow out into reality. I went through it when I was 16. People often go through it 18-20. Some, much later.
I remember one of my first classes in college, Intro to Lit maybe, where one kid started ranting and raving suddenly about societal collapse and government problems and blah blah socialism blah. The professor let him get it out of his system, about a minute and a half. "Okay," she said in a blank tone, and then resumed talking about what our reading schedule would be. The kid's rant had nothing to do with the professor's words or anything we were doing. He looked around, as if he expected everyone to rise from their seats cheering, ready to march wherever that promising leader would bring them, but no one did. They paid attention to what was important (the class at hand) and let him sit quietly like he was supposed to. Because he couldn't grasp the difference between discussion and shouting.
lol fuck all of y'all. it's true, Sara is the best feminist
Charlie out.
Charlie out.
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makare
As Ive said I don't find charlie's methods all that bad. So he is talking about something we all know, so what? If we can't regurgitate things on this forum the forum will die.
Sexism against women is a perfectly acceptable topic and there is nothing wrong with wanting to talk about it. If the guys feel like they are being attacked they should just stay out of the damn thread.
Sexism against women is a perfectly acceptable topic and there is nothing wrong with wanting to talk about it. If the guys feel like they are being attacked they should just stay out of the damn thread.
Why?
I feel Charlie is sexist because his Us vs Them mentality puts it as Them = Women. To truly be equal, we must obliterate gender from our minds. We are all people. We are all men. We are all women. We are all humans. We are simply We.
Now I will go watch the We channel. It's for me... I mean Us. The great Us that We are.
I feel Charlie is sexist because his Us vs Them mentality puts it as Them = Women. To truly be equal, we must obliterate gender from our minds. We are all people. We are all men. We are all women. We are all humans. We are simply We.
Now I will go watch the We channel. It's for me... I mean Us. The great Us that We are.
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makare
And I want world peace and a pony.
Be realistic seriously. Feminism is about the struggle. It is not ABOUT equality it is about the struggle FOR it. It is acknowledging we are different but are still of the same worth. I guess there is just no way to explain it when people, as some have said, have such a negative view about.
Be realistic seriously. Feminism is about the struggle. It is not ABOUT equality it is about the struggle FOR it. It is acknowledging we are different but are still of the same worth. I guess there is just no way to explain it when people, as some have said, have such a negative view about.
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