[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

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Considering the authorities are the ones who shot the children, I'm not surprised they're minimizing the degree of injury.
 

GasBandit

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The NYPD does routinely shoot into a crowd of people when trying to hit a suspect. They have killed many an innocent bystander, and they (and the NY Courts) just shrug and say "Hey them's da breaks when youse gonna live in da big apple, knowhatamsayin?"
 
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From new information, he was reversing when the cops tried to stop him. He panicked and kept reversing into the officers as they tried to block him. His car hit one of the officers (though they say none of the officers were badly injured) and continued on past them in reverse, at which point they opened fire on the front of the car.
I just want to put a pin in this for later. If the police officers later claim that because he'd hit one of them with his car they were afraid for their lives & that's why they opened fire, then remember he was reversing away from them when they started shooting. He was not an active threat when they started shooting at a vehicle containg children.
 
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From the articles:
Smith, a woman and four unidentified children were in a green pickup when the shooting broke out. Smith was injured, as were three of the children. Authorities have not released the names of the injured children, but OSBI spokeswoman Brook Arbeitman said they were 5 and younger and suffered injuries that weren’t life-threatening.

Olivia Hill identified herself as the woman in the truck and the mother of the four children in an interview with local TV station KXII.

Maybe you should read before you say that she wasn't there.
ONLY the WaPo article says she was there, whereas the other articles all say that she was NOT in the Truck. Everything but WaPo is saying the Dad, and the kids, not the Mom.

Also in that link: "Officers say as he tried to get away he put the truck in reverse and hit one officer."

So to those saying he was backing up when getting shot at, yes, it appears that at least one officer was behind the truck when this all started.
 
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It must be fun to have a child's view of the world, where everything is black or white. Certainly makes life easier, not having to actually think at all.
There are police who are bad because they're corrupt. There are police who are bad because they're domestic abusers. There are police who are bad because they abuse people in their custody. There are police who are bad because they're racist. And then there's the rest of the police, who are bad because they defend the rest of them.

Police who speak up about the institutional problems are generally forced out. Therefore, there are no good police.

Hell, it's just recently been uncovered that more than 85,000 police have been under investigation for misconduct over the last decade. That's nearly 10% of all police. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...ng-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/
 
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There are police who are bad because they're corrupt. There are police who are bad because they're domestic abusers. There are police who are bad because they abuse people in their custody. There are police who are bad because they're racist. And then there's the rest of the police, who are bad because they defend all of the others by remaining silent.

Police who speak up about the institutional problems are generally forced out. Therefore, there are no good police.

Hell, it's just recently been uncovered that more than 85,000 police have been under investigation for misconduct over the last decade. That's nearly 10% of all police. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...ng-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/
 
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Hell, it's just recently been uncovered that more than 85,000 police have been under investigation for misconduct over the last decade. That's nearly 10% of all police. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...ng-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/
That stat doesn't bother me. I'd want every complaint against an officer investigated but at the same time I realise that cops probably receive a lot of frivolous complaints - the racist member of the public complaining about the police officer who wouldn't arrest the black man walking in a "white" area, or the criminal trying to cause problems for the officer who arrested them.

Although I haven't read your linked article - when I click on your link usatoday realises I'm in the UK & forwards me to its EU homepage, taking me away from the article, so if the article specifies that it's not talking about these types of complaints, ignore this post.
 
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That stat doesn't bother me. I'd want every complaint against an officer investigated but at the same time I realise that cops probably receive a lot of frivolous complaints - the racist member of the public complaining about the police officer who wouldn't arrest the black man walking in a "white" area, or the criminal trying to cause problems for the officer who arrested them.

Although I haven't read your linked article - when I click on your link usatoday realises I'm in the UK & forwards me to its EU homepage, taking me away from the article, so if the article specifies that it's not talking about these types of complaints, ignore this post.
It isn't talking about those types of complaints. I'll post some highlights.

Officers have beaten members of the public, planted evidence and used their badges to harass women. They have lied, stolen, dealt drugs, driven drunk and abused their spouses.
Despite their role as public servants, the men and women who swear an oath to keep communities safe can generally avoid public scrutiny for their misdeeds.
The records of their misconduct are filed away, rarely seen by anyone outside their departments. Police unions and their political allies have worked to put special protections in place ensuring some records are shielded from public view, or even destroyed.
Reporters from USA TODAY, its 100-plus affiliated newsrooms and the nonprofit Invisible Institute in Chicago have spent more than a year creating the biggest collection of police misconduct records.
Obtained from thousands of state agencies, prosecutors, police departments and sheriffs, the records detail at least 200,000 incidents of alleged misconduct, much of it previously unreported. The records obtained include more than 110,000 internal affairs investigations by hundreds of individual departments and more than 30,000 officers who were decertified by 44 state oversight agencies.


  • Most misconduct involves routine infractions, but the records reveal tens of thousands of cases of serious misconduct and abuse. They include 22,924 investigations of officers using excessive force, 3,145 allegations of rape, child molestation and other sexual misconduct and 2,307 cases of domestic violence by officers.
  • Dishonesty is a frequent problem. The records document at least 2,227 instances of perjury, tampering with evidence or witnesses or falsifying reports. There were 418 reports of officers obstructing investigations, most often when they or someone they knew were targets.
  • Less than 10% of officers in most police forces get investigated for misconduct. Yet some officers are consistently under investigation. Nearly 2,500 have been investigated on 10 or more charges. Twenty faced 100 or more allegations yet kept their badge for years.
 
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Oh dang. That was a half finished thought.

I like that Other is so high on the list, because it lets me imagine there were a whole lot of weird one-of-a-kind infractions. Like, an officer responding to a call at Sea World who took a moment to literally jump the shark getting written up for "seahorseplay."
 
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I’m actually more interested in whether this is really a matter of this officer not being “one o’ the boys” enough that the rest of the department/precinct/whatever didn’t feel as obligated to go to bat for him.

—Patrick
 
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A Phoenix cop threatened to shoot a mother dead in front of her children because... her four-year-old took a Barbie from the dollar store.

Just fucking nuke the whole thing now. This world is lost.
 
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It'd just be nice if all of this shit just starting actually hitting the cops, personally, as an organization, pensions, etc, instead of going straight to the tax payers wallets
 

Dave

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Police should have to get insurance like physicians have to have malpractice insurance. As soon as they started getting sued that shit would shut down real fucking fast.
 

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The head of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Deparment Union wants officers to be able to display a "blue line" version of the Punisher logo as a symbol of their beliefs about how police should operate. - source

"The fact is, there will always be someone who finds fault with any symbol we identify with or person we choose to carry our message. The Blue Line symbol and the Blue Line Punisher symbol have been widely embraced by the law enforcement community as a symbol for the war against those who hate law enforcement. It’s how we show the world that we hold the line between good and evil." [emphasis mine]

The Punisher shouldn't be a role model for anyone, let alone police officers. This is appalling. The article also talks about how more than 20 officers are being investigated for disturbing social media postings. To quote an attorney on the case, "After careful examination of the underlying bias contained in those social media posts, we have concluded that this bias would likely influence an officer’s ability to perform his or her duties in an unbiased manner. "
 
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The head of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Deparment Union wants officers to be able to display a "blue line" version of the Punisher logo as a symbol of their beliefs about how police should operate. - source

"The fact is, there will always be someone who finds fault with any symbol we identify with or person we choose to carry our message. The Blue Line symbol and the Blue Line Punisher symbol have been widely embraced by the law enforcement community as a symbol for the war against those who hate law enforcement. It’s how we show the world that we hold the line between good and evil." [emphasis mine]

The Punisher shouldn't be a role model for anyone, let alone police officers. This is appalling. The article also talks about how more than 20 officers are being investigated for disturbing social media postings. To quote an attorney on the case, "After careful examination of the underlying bias contained in those social media posts, we have concluded that this bias would likely influence an officer’s ability to perform his or her duties in an unbiased manner. "
Yeah thanks, but no thanks.
 
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