No, the reason for that is obvious: they aren't included in the upcoming Sony/Marvel deal because they are owned by Fox.
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They've been dickbags to Spidey long before any of this movie rumor stuff. For some reason he keeps going back and trying to teach classes, though.
Why can't Marvel super heroes just get along? Seriously though every time I see the X-men fight the Avengers I die a little inside.
So Marvel has decided they need to redesign Jessica Drew/ Spider-Woman's costume. Fair enough, she basically hasn't changed since the 1970's. Kris Anka's tumblr has had some shots, and there's an article here:
http://www.themarysue.com/spider-woman-looks-rad-as-eff/
To be honest, I disagree with their assessment. I think the new costume is kind of forgettable. I liked the Batgirl redesign, but Batgirl and Spider-Woman are on two completely different levels. Batgirl is a normal human with extensive martial arts, gymnastics, and crime-fighting training, so having a practical outfit for rough and tumble activity and motorcycle riding makes perfect sense. Generally she tangles with street thugs and organized crime henchmen. Spider-Woman has superhuman strength, speed, and agility, heightened senses, powerful pheromones, she can fly (or at least glide, depending on the writer), is immune to all poisons and radiation, and, oh yeah, can shoot bioelectric lightning from her hands. Now, the excuse is that since Jessica Drew is a Private Investigator in her civilian life, she can't just go around in red spandex on the street. Yes, okay, that's a given. But I don't see how having her costume be basically street clothes is an improvement. It loses the sense of being a powerful iconic heroine. She looks more like a sidekick. And I guess that's intentional:
http://www.themarysue.com/spider-woman-looks-rad-as-eff/
To be honest, I disagree with their assessment. I think the new costume is kind of forgettable. I liked the Batgirl redesign, but Batgirl and Spider-Woman are on two completely different levels. Batgirl is a normal human with extensive martial arts, gymnastics, and crime-fighting training, so having a practical outfit for rough and tumble activity and motorcycle riding makes perfect sense. Generally she tangles with street thugs and organized crime henchmen. Spider-Woman has superhuman strength, speed, and agility, heightened senses, powerful pheromones, she can fly (or at least glide, depending on the writer), is immune to all poisons and radiation, and, oh yeah, can shoot bioelectric lightning from her hands. Now, the excuse is that since Jessica Drew is a Private Investigator in her civilian life, she can't just go around in red spandex on the street. Yes, okay, that's a given. But I don't see how having her costume be basically street clothes is an improvement. It loses the sense of being a powerful iconic heroine. She looks more like a sidekick. And I guess that's intentional:
What was wrong with her being a superspy, Avenger, and soldier? Is beating up muggers somehow more interesting than dealing with outlandish cosmic-level threats, or killer robots, or high-tech megalomaniacs? I don't think it's the right direction to go. It's too DC.
Honestly? I think this costume suits her character more than the original ever did.
But then, I've never been a big fan of the character either way, so it doesn't bug me much at all.
But then, I've never been a big fan of the character either way, so it doesn't bug me much at all.
...okay I'm not the only one who thinks she looks almost exactly like Asami from Legend of Korra with that get-up right? Not saying I'm complaining , just I never thought the next redesign would remind me of an Avatar character.
figmentPez
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GasBandit
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Err, aside from both having tight pants and shoulder-length black hair, I don't see much of a resemblance. Wonder Woman's belt doesn't droop, Spider Woman isn't wearing heels and has spats instead of... I dunno, anklets? Spider woman doesn't bare cleavage, and her jacket is double breasted and actually is shown buttoned up. Also shades vs tiara?
figmentPez
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Same basic color pattern. Dark blue arms and legs, red chest, gold insignia. The belt may not droop, but the lasso hanging off it provides a similar angle, overall. It's not exactly the same, but it's so close that if it were a parody character it could be recognizable (that is, if this were the iconic version of WW's costume)
That droopy belt is what kills it for me. Otherwise it's fine.
GasBandit
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.... dark blue? That looks just plain old black to me.
Really, I think the only similaities, as I said, come from the hairstyle, the tight pants, and the sleeve color being different from the torso.
That, and personally I've never found her to be terribly interesting to begin with.
GasBandit
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Depends on your definition of supergenius. There's lots of very smart women, such as Oracle or Moira MacTaggert (Oxford doesn't churn out many dumb geneticists)... but I'd have to thinking longer and harder before I come up with a female Reed Richards.
Except... didn't he have a supergenius daughter?
Yep. Valeria Richards is her name.
figmentPez
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Apparently not. You have to get to #23 on Comic Vine's list of Smartest Comic Characters before you get a female character, and the most notable female in the Marvel Database's list of characters with Super-Genius Intelligence is Valeria Richards (only notable for her parents).
Barbara Gordon, as Oracle, is really smart, but I'm not sure I've seen her intelligence played up as being much greater than those around her. But maybe that's just because she's in the shadow of the Bat.
Yeah, comic books don't seem to have much of a field for female super-geniuses.
What about anime and manga? Surely, there's got to be a reasonable group there?
Does Agatha Heterodyne count?
Modern Marvel writers have a very crummy understanding of intelligence. For what it's worth Sue Richards has a Ph.D. retconned out of no where to her because otherwise it would make no sense for Reed Richards to be even interested in her. I wish to God I was making that up, and it wasn't the explanation given by Marvel.
GasBandit
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Well, there was Nina, in Code Geass, who was that universe's Werner Von Braun and developed the Freija (I WON'T PRONOUNCE IT FLEIJA THAT'S WRONG AND RETARDED) warhead. Of course, she was an emotional powderkeg who ended up little more than a pawn to be used by one side or another the entire run of the series.
This would have been my first choice too, or The One from the same comic.... though really, there are probably a dozen or more female Sparks from that comic that qualify.
Sage from X-men, though the fact that I needed to go through 4 pages of wiki pages to remember she exists that says a lot.
As for manga and Japanimation, there's Sailor Mercury(fun fact, originally meant to be a cyborg), Bulma from Dragon Ball, and the awesome crossbow lady from Soul Eater just to name a few.
As for manga and Japanimation, there's Sailor Mercury(fun fact, originally meant to be a cyborg), Bulma from Dragon Ball, and the awesome crossbow lady from Soul Eater just to name a few.
I'd say that female geniuses are far more common than male ones in Anime and Manga.
GasBandit
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Like I said, it depends on what the threshold for "super genius" is. Is it enough to just be smarter than your immediate peer group? Do you need to be a postdoc? Do you have to have created something with world-changing consequences, like new technology, functional sentient AI, or a doomsday weapon? Does your intelligence have to be in a purely scientific field, or can brilliant military commanders also qualify as "super geniuses?"
Also, I want you to sound out "super genius" every time like Wile E. Coyote does in that Looney Tunes short where Bugs Bunny stands in for the Road Runner. SOO-PER GEEEENyus.
Also, I want you to sound out "super genius" every time like Wile E. Coyote does in that Looney Tunes short where Bugs Bunny stands in for the Road Runner. SOO-PER GEEEENyus.
Yeah, I'm honestly drawing a blank. There are some smart cookies, like Oracle or Talia al Ghul. But I wouldn't call either of them genius on the Reed Richards scale.[DOUBLEPOST=1420499529,1420498974][/DOUBLEPOST]I threw the question at Kurt Busiek and Gail Simone. Kurt got back to me pretty quick. Some he provided:
-Dr. Cyber (Wonder Woman villain)
-Jenette Klyburn at STAR Labs
-And "Astro City has had at least three female robotics geniuses. One derailed, one evil, one damaged but sweet."
-Dr. Cyber (Wonder Woman villain)
-Jenette Klyburn at STAR Labs
-And "Astro City has had at least three female robotics geniuses. One derailed, one evil, one damaged but sweet."
figmentPez
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Which is a good question. I suddenly thought to wonder why Monet St. Croix wasn't on the list of Marvel super geniuses, but she's just a garden variety genius, and not a super genius.
Image Expo is going on right now and like last year, my wallet is already pleading "no more!" as Image announces more creator owned books that will be amazing.
Darwyn Cooke's first creator-owned series, Revengeance:
Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda's Monstress
Scott Snyder & Jeff Lemire (holy shit, now THERE'S a team-up!) present A.D.: After Death, dealing with what happens after death is cured.
Alex De Campi & Carla Speed McNeil's No Mercy:
Eric Canete & Jonathan Tsuei's RunLoveKill:
Scottie Young's I Hate Fairyland (which looks deliciously twisted):
Bryan K. Vaughan & Cliff Chiang's Paper Girls:
EDIT: Adding a few more.
Chip Zdarsky (from Sex Criminals) and Kagan McLeod's Kaptara:
I don't even know if more will be announced. I sure hope not. My poor wallet can't take even more great books from Image. They've already got me hook, line, and sinker with Elephantmen, Walking Dead, Invincible, Saga, Fatale, Velvet, Chew, and lord knows what else I'm missing.[DOUBLEPOST=1420761875,1420761384][/DOUBLEPOST]http://comicsalliance.com/image-expo-2015-announcements/
Jesus, my list only scratched the surface. SO MANY GREAT BOOKS.
Darwyn Cooke's first creator-owned series, Revengeance:
Marjorie Liu & Sana Takeda's Monstress
Scott Snyder & Jeff Lemire (holy shit, now THERE'S a team-up!) present A.D.: After Death, dealing with what happens after death is cured.
Alex De Campi & Carla Speed McNeil's No Mercy:
Eric Canete & Jonathan Tsuei's RunLoveKill:
Scottie Young's I Hate Fairyland (which looks deliciously twisted):
Bryan K. Vaughan & Cliff Chiang's Paper Girls:
EDIT: Adding a few more.
Chip Zdarsky (from Sex Criminals) and Kagan McLeod's Kaptara:
I don't even know if more will be announced. I sure hope not. My poor wallet can't take even more great books from Image. They've already got me hook, line, and sinker with Elephantmen, Walking Dead, Invincible, Saga, Fatale, Velvet, Chew, and lord knows what else I'm missing.[DOUBLEPOST=1420761875,1420761384][/DOUBLEPOST]http://comicsalliance.com/image-expo-2015-announcements/
Jesus, my list only scratched the surface. SO MANY GREAT BOOKS.
