Do you identify as a feminist?

[Covar]

So one list canceled out another. Glad that's over.

It's pretty hilarious how he thinks the list I posted is crap. I literally got it from the same website that Charlie found his little turd-nugget.[/QUOTE]

I think he feels the same way about the list he posted though.

And I have to know, oh mysterious one, if you were sitting with your friends and one of them said that not only is he ok with manicures but he gets one every month or so, what would you say to him? What would you say behind his back? Let's assume that the things you say while "joking" count.[/QUOTE]

I'd probably call him a wuss, and mock him mercilessly for it.

I wouldn't say anything behind his back, why would I. Any great joke about him is wasted if he's not in front of me.

 

[makare]

covar = chaz :wtf:

 

[Chazwozel]

covar = chaz :wtf:

Cover = doing what any other red blooded American would do. It's not normal for men to get manicures! Of course I'd throw jabs at my friend for getting a manicure. I wouldn't hold a grudge against him or cease to be his friend though. Honestly, you're such a fucking weirdo.

 

[SpecialKO]

If it were me, I'd ask him first if it worked with the ladies (or some similar use).

If it did, then I'd proclaim it an expense worth it.

If it didn't, I'd buy him a $2 nail clipper and take the money in his monthly manicure budget just so it doesn't throw his life too far out of whack.

 

[makare]

so you would do what I said you would do? wtf has the last three pages of this thread been about then?

 

[Covar]

covar = chaz :wtf:

I'm sorry I didn't realize this was a private discussion :humph:

 

[Chazwozel]

so you would do what I said you would do? wtf has the last three pages of this thread been about then?

Uh, you claimed that people would go along with it just to humor me. In other words, you're suggesting that all my friends aren't really my friends. In other other words, you're a fucking weirdo.

Seems to me like you're the insecure one. You never drop anything.

 

[makare]

Yeah that's what I was saying. Not that people generally like to avoid being ripped on.

 

[Chazwozel]

Yeah that's what I was saying. Not that people generally like to avoid being ripped on.

There you go again, making assumptions that you know who am I and what my relationships with other are like. Keep filling in those gaps.

 

[makare]

You just confirmed that I did know what you would do.

 

[MindDetective]

I tease my friends and my family all the time, in some cases about their masculinity or femininity. It is delivered with affection and acceptance of who they are, however, and it is taken that way as well (after all, I still have friends). Jokes often have an element of truth in them but they needn't be divisive. They can be observational without being critical.

 

[Chazwozel]

I tease my friends and my family all the time, in some cases about their masculinity or femininity. It is delivered with affection and acceptance of who they are, however, and it is taken that way as well (after all, I still have friends). Jokes often have an element of truth in them but they needn't be divisive. They can be observational without being critical.

Please, Mind, let Dr. Freud continue with her psychoanalysis of me...

 

[Covar]

See I think this is one of the big differences between men and women. Men mock their friends, mercilessly. This is not the same as ripping someone. One is as sign of friendship the other is malicious.

 

[makare]

Yes, I joke with my friends also. So I guess assuming that chaz would do the same is probably not that big of a stretch or assumption? Not sure why he got so inflamed about it.


I conclude that chaz wants to fuck his mom.

 

[Chazwozel]

You just confirmed that I did know what you would do.

I may be a blunt asshole, but you sure are a pretentious motherfucker.

 

[Adam]

I have never said anything remotely about being shamed to be a man.

I've never had a manicure, but I still think it's moronic to say stuff like "if you do X, turn in your MAN CARD". Not that I have any pride in being a guy in the first place.

*ponders*

 

[makare]

I don't have pride in a lot of things that Im not ashamed of.

 

[Adam]

I don't have pride in a lot of things that Im not ashamed of.

That is not the worst mangling of a split double negative I've never seen.

We should all be proud of who and what we are.

 

[Chazwozel]

I don't have pride in a lot of things that Im not ashamed of.

That is not the worst mangling of a split double negative I've never seen.[/QUOTE]

Are you not not sure that it's not?

 

[makare]

how can it be double when each not refers to different things?
"I do not have pride in a lot of things that I am also not ashamed of."
see no double


ok i just got a good laugh in constitutional law class. They were talking about 2010 apathy vs the founding fathers passion. A guy in class, rick if you follow my posts, is going on about having to earn it and things have gone down hilil etc. the prof said yes well you know what they did? they let in the WOMEN! that's what he is really saying.
Rick's face was fantastic. Because he knows that if we actually believed he thought that he would be found in alley with his balls in his mouth. But it was pretty damn funny.

 

[Chazwozel]

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[Charlie Don't Surf]

We should all be proud of who and what we are.

I'm proud of my accomplishments, not things I had no part in (being white, being straight, being male, being in America, etc)

And re: me saying the list is terrible. It's terrible because those things are inequalities, it's terrible that guys have to go through that too. Both lists are terrible because they're, for the most part, true. I didn't mean that it was a terrible example or that it didn't matter compared to my list.

 

[Chazwozel]

We should all be proud of who and what we are.

I'm proud of my accomplishments, not things I had no part in (being white, being straight, being male, being in America, etc)

And re: me saying the list is terrible. It's terrible because those things are inequalities, it's terrible that guys have to go through that too. Both lists are terrible because they're, for the most part, true. I didn't mean that it was a terrible example or that it didn't matter compared to my list.[/QUOTE]

I will probably live longer than the average man.

CURSE YOU WOMEN FOR HAVING DIFFERENT GENETIC COMPOSITION THAN ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, just stop. Men and women are fundamentally different parts of the same species. There are and will always be differences in male and female social roles, just like every Goddamn animal species on the planet. Yes, I'm talking to you, you damn sexist silverback males! How dare you force the females in your band to raise your bastard offspring!?!

 

[makare]

I'm not going to sit here using my computer, in my stone building, with my ac running, and the cars passing outside and then resign myself to "welp we're just animals".

Trying to be better than our own animal nature is kind of how we roll.

 

[Officer_Charon]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

It's already been commented on, but I love how well you articulate exactly what I've been getting pissed about through this whole thread.

Not going to proclaim my love for you, though. Might make things awkward with my wife. Tasty adult beverage, instead?

 

[makare]

so to summarize:

making sexist jokes = not sexist
trying to put an end to sexism = sexist

there will be a test later.

 

[Officer_Charon]

We should all be proud of who and what we are.

I'm proud of my accomplishments, not things I had no part in (being white, being straight, being male, being in America, etc)[/QUOTE]

Also, out of curiosity, what HAVE you accomplished? What have you contributed to the benefit of mankind as a whole, that makes you feel entitled to speak for the half of the population that you are not a member of?

 

[makare]

wtf?!

Charlie is a guy and a feminist who wants to stop sexism. In what universe is that a bad thing? I think charlie is a tool I always have and I always will. But just because he is a guy doesn't mean he shouldn't care about this issue. What kind of attitude is that It wouldn't even be an issue if more guys cared and took it on as something worth fighting about or at least thinking about.

The whole let women fight their battles alone argument is stupid. It isn't a one sided thing and should be of concern to both genders.

 

[Chazwozel]

I'm not going to sit here using my computer, in my stone building, with my ac running, and the cars passing outside and then resign myself to "welp we're just animals".

Trying to be better than our own animal nature is kind of how we roll.

Denying it is the ultimate act of ignorance.

 

[Officer_Charon]

The issue that I have is not that he's a guy who's claiming that he wants to end sexism. I have no issue with that.

The issue that I have is that he's apparently stating that "If you are not with me, then you are against me." His black and white view is extremely limiting.

Like I stated earlier: just treat others as you would want to be treated. By all means, stand up for what you think is right, but FFS make sure that someone is being deliberately aggressive and attacking before you decide to lash out.

Chaz was not attacking - he was rebutting. Debate and classical argument is a good thing. Blind defensiveness serves no purpose.

 

[makare]

Sara's point was that charlie shouldn't be "fighting" the battle for women because it is the women's battle. You agreed. Charlie is obnoxious so what. That doesn't discredit his view point that men should give a shit too, that it isn't just a women's issue.

I'm not going to sit here using my computer, in my stone building, with my ac running, and the cars passing outside and then resign myself to "welp we're just animals".

Trying to be better than our own animal nature is kind of how we roll.

Denying it is the ultimate act of ignorance.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say I denied it I said I won't resign to it. Surrendering to it and forfeiting all our responsibility is not how society works.

 

[Chazwozel]

Sara's point was that charlie shouldn't be "fighting" the battle for women because it is the women's battle. You agreed. Charlie is obnoxious so what. That doesn't discredit his view point that men should give a shit too, that it isn't just a women's issue.

I'm not going to sit here using my computer, in my stone building, with my ac running, and the cars passing outside and then resign myself to "welp we're just animals".

Trying to be better than our own animal nature is kind of how we roll.

Denying it is the ultimate act of ignorance.

I didn't say I denied it I said I won't resign to it. Surrendering to it and forfeiting all our responsibility is not how society works.[/QUOTE]

It's not his battle to fight. He can be supportive, but it's just not his fight. Again this is why black people get pissed when white people cross a line. You don't have the same understanding of the group that's being discriminated against if you're part of the oppressing group, so therefore there are limits to how involved you should be. Charlie has a bad case of white male guilt.

Oh and fundamentally, human society is no different from a troop of chimps. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[makare]

I disagree entirely. The entire point of the battle, sexism, racism etc, is to get the other people on your side. What could be better than having the other side fight with you?

 

[Officer_Charon]

I disagree entirely. The entire point of the battle, sexism, racism etc, is to get the other people on your side. What could be better than having the other side fight with you?

Having them fight FOR you?

 

[Chazwozel]

I disagree entirely. The entire point of the battle, sexism, racism etc, is to get the other people on your side. What could be better than having the other side fight with you?

Uh, the fact that you're still under a form of oppression? " Look at me, I'm a poor black man, I can't even fight for my civil rights without a white man helping me."


"I'm a strong, independent woman! I can do anything! (As long as a white man is behind my back ready to catch me if I fall"

That's the message that gets sent.