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This all assumes that Microsoft doesn't manage to make a complete and utter hashup of Skype, now that they're really working on integrating it into all of their products and services. If they're lucky, they should do OK with it - but they will need to be lucky. I know the guy at Microsoft who's in charge of integration and continuing development of the Skype service. I worked for him for a year and a half. He's a good guy, really nice, really understanding, good at recognizing when his employees (even contractors) are going above and beyond expectations, and even good at rewarding those employees - but he's horrible at making use of his team members' time, skills, and energy beyond the one or two tasks that he has them assigned to. When I was working for him I only actually worked about 2 or 3 hours a day, unless I managed to beg a project off of another department, because no matter how many times I asked him for additional work, he could never come up with any projects for me that took more than about 45 minutes to finish.
 
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But Microsoft understands that the console market is dying, and if they can't compete with roku, android, and apple for the battle over the media center, they're going down.
And that data comes from? Each console generation has sold more consoles than the last.
 
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Dave, you should invest in a game switch. Nate and I love ours, you can have up to 4 consoles hooked up at one time and you just press a button to switch between them all. I bet you can get one that allows more, but 4 is plenty for us.

This is the one we got:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/21621670?...1=g&wl2=&wl3=21486607510&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem

I'm sure you could get nicer ones elsewhere, but we just wanted a cheap one. Anyway, yeah, it's an easy solution.


(Also side note; I don't think consoles are dying. The market is changing, for sure, but not dying.)
 

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Game switches for high def are pretty pricey. We used to have one for our normal stuff but after moving to HD we haven't found ourselves able to justify the expense.
 
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I suspect the video game exclusives (halo, call of duty, etc) will drive this console's adoption regardless of its limitations.
Call of Duty is on all the consoles and PC.

Dave: if it's your son who has all those consoles hooked up, it's his problem to unhook and rehook them and he should set the TV back to whatever it was when he found it if it's in the room where everyone else watches TV.

We have only one AV outlet on our HDTV, meaning only the PS2, N64, or Gamecube can be hooked up at one time. To handle this problem when we need to switch systems, I have an easy solution: I get behind the TV and switch the goddamn cables. It takes less than 10 seconds. Add 5 more seconds to unplug one console in and plug in another. And I don't call my dad over to make him do it--I've been the one hooking this shit up since I was 10.

HDMI cables are even easier since their plug shape is standard--you don't have a PS3 specific one, an Xbox specific one, etc. Just move the in-console side from console to console, no fussing with multiple sets of cables.
 
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Units sold is not the correct measure. Revenue is:

http://business.time.com/2013/02/11/game-over-why-video-game-console-sales-are-plummeting/

I'd also argue that this "console" is no longer a game console, but an entertainment console, and that while we may continue to have games as part of our entertainment centers, the single purpose game console is not going to be around much longer.

You might buy an entertainment console and use it only for games it its no longer a game console.
 
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Sorry, I know I'm repeating myself, but did they say anything about the requirement to be connected to the internet to be playing games? I didn't see it anywhere...?
 
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Sorry, I know I'm repeating myself, but did they say anything about the requirement to be connected to the internet to be playing games? I didn't see it anywhere...?
They did not say anything about it. I doubt we will even know until its release.
 
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Dave

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Supports used games by making you pay "A FEE" for it if a disc has already been installed on another console.

That's "supporting" used games?

It's an offline pass.
 

Dave

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Supports used games by making you pay full price for it if a disc has already been installed on another console.
Nobody said it was full price. If I sell you a car and it's no longer available to me, I assume you will pay something for it. Not full price, but something. I think that's what they are going for here. There's a few Steam games I wish I could sell as I never play them.[DOUBLEPOST=1369169767][/DOUBLEPOST]An yes, I think I should get the money for the sale, not XBox. Which won't happen, but still...
 
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Nobody said it was full price. If I sell you a car and it's no longer available to me, I assume you will pay something for it. Not full price, but something. I think that's what they are going for here. There's a few Steam games I wish I could sell as I never play them.[DOUBLEPOST=1369169767][/DOUBLEPOST]An yes, I think I should get the money for the sale, not XBox. Which won't happen, but still...
I find it disgusting. Sony has been nebulous about this but if they pull the same shit, I'm out on consoles. Video gaming consoles can fuck right off.
 
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I find it disgusting. Sony has been nebulous about this but if they pull the same shit, I'm out on consoles. Video gaming consoles can fuck right off.
Sony's said the PS4 will play used discs, but you have a good point, they haven't said anything about penalties.
 
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At least Sony's not marketing the PS4 like it's a Roku with motion controls.
 
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I'd thought about skipping this generation of consoles and finally getting a good gaming desktop computer. This is sounding more and more like a good idea.
 
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Maybe they saw the backlash of comment regarding it and suddenly went, "SHIT! Back pedal, people, back pedal!!"
 

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It looks like a 1980s VCR.

Anyway, keyboard and mouse support as gaming input? If no, not interested. Maybe not even if yes, considering I already have a gaming PC and and WDTV.
 
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One more thing on backwards compatibility, this time from the company's side: it encourages a customer to stick with the brand. If the next console doesn't have backwards compatibility with the prior one, so I have to use the prior one to play its games, it doesn't matter which console I select next, whereas if the next one plays both old and new, it means I can use it for both purposes and seems like a better buy.
 
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One more thing on backwards compatibility, this time from the company's side: it encourages a customer to stick with the brand. If the next console doesn't have backwards compatibility with the prior one, so I have to use the prior one to play its games, it doesn't matter which console I select next, whereas if the next one plays both old and new, it means I can use it for both purposes and seems like a better buy.
Yeah, that's why the PS3 was the number one console of the current generation.[DOUBLEPOST=1369173561][/DOUBLEPOST]Some commentary on why this banking on the allinone box nonsense is exactly that.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4...xbox-one-microsoft-didnt-learn-from-google-tv
 
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Microsoft customer support claims that the fee thing is bullshit.

Microsoft Corporate Vice President says that you'll be paying full price fees for using a used disc.

http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison says.
FU-HUCK YO-HOOO.
 
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