The Random Crap Thread 2: It Hits the Fan.

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The ONLY problem with Bernie is that, if it were to actually come down to Bernie vs Trump, sadly, I expect Trump to win.
This is sort of why a lot of the liberal folks are kind of sighing over this election. Hillary could win at the national level against a Republican, but they are terrified that Bernie doesn't have the chops to deal with what should be a slam dunk election.

Personally, I'm believing in Bernie more and more. He's pulling the crowds... they have to find bigger venues in almost every town because people are traveling miles to see his speeches. He's clearly got the support to win the nomination at least.
 
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Frankly, Bernie vs Hillary would make for a more interesting general election - and one more worth going to the polls over - than Hillary vs literally anyone running on the Republican side. Speaking as a European, of course.
 
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People keep telling me that, but he's leading in like every poll.
He has 24% of the public support, ZERO endorsements (seriously, no one of importance is backing him, that's basically unheard of), and over 50% of Republicans say they wouldn't vote for him in the primary.

Leading a poll among 11 candidates says very little about where the chips will fall when things will actually matter.
 

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Another example of how instant runoff voting would be 10x better than party primaries. But, as is pointed out every time I bring it up, it won't happen because the people who would have to make the changes to implement it keep their power based on the party system.
 
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Another example of how instant runoff voting would be 10x better than party primaries. But, as is pointed out every time I bring it up, it won't happen because the people who would have to make the changes to implement it keep their power based on the party system.
Pretty much every other system I've read about is better than this winner-takes-all single-vote thing. I'd love to see what a [insert random Euro country here] parliamentary system would do to the U.S.' political environment.
 
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[insert random Euro country here] parliamentary system
Big huge differences between some of them; you'd be amazed. Let alone the UK, which is a barely better system than the US. Quite a few countries have such a silly system of granting the biggest party a supermajority that it sucks too.

And of course, the Belgian system doesn't work either. Frankly, the most stable and best working government is an enlightened tyranny.
 

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The one nice thing about the US system is that you don't see nazis getting seats in congress.
That doesn't mean they can't. After all, we've had Klansmen in congress. It's a system that only works as well as the people who vote in it. If National Socialism were actually to ever grow enough to become a cultural factor here, you can bet you'd see a Nazi congressman.

"Liberty can no more exist without virtue and independence, than the body can live and move without a soul. When these are gone, and the popular branch of the constitution is become dependent on the minister, as it is in England, or cut off, as it is in America, all other forms of the constitution may remain; but if you look for liberty, you will grope in vain; and the freedom of the press, instead of promoting the cause of liberty, will but hasten its destruction, as the best cordials taken by patients in some distempers become the most rancid and corrosive poisons." - John Adams

Besides, we already have "fascism with a smiley face" in most of the political left.
 
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Big huge differences between some of them; you'd be amazed. Let alone the UK, which is a barely better system than the US. Quite a few countries have such a silly system of granting the biggest party a supermajority that it sucks too.

And of course, the Belgian system doesn't work either. Frankly, the most stable and best working government is an enlightened tyranny.
I was just going to say mention the Spanish system specifically, but then remembered that D'Hondt's method is hardly perfect, and I thought i recalled some other countries in the area doing it better, but couldn't be arsed to check it out, hence the [Euro].

I guess a better way of phrasing it would be "any parliamentary system where a minority government can exist, 3+ parties/independents can compete for seats, and new/small parties are not overtly hamstrung (looking at you Turkey)."

The one nice thing about the US system is that you don't see nazis getting seats in congress.
I'd rather have a small nazi party in congress than a major party potentially getting hijacked (a la Tea Party). The more options you give voters, the more honest both voters and parties can be. E.g. Alternativa Española voters won't be voting Partido Popular, since it's not throwing away your vote (like in a 2-party system), so Partido Popular is less likely to pander to those voters.
 
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Thing is, Mr. Madison and company intentionally steered away from a parliamentary form of government. That's what the whole proportional/equal representation argument was about over the summer of 1787.
 

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This is kinda what the two-house legislature is supposed to do... originally, the senators were appointed by the state governments, not elected. The compromise between popular democracy and strong leadership was the lower house (Representatives) were elected and their numbers were divvied according to population, but to keep the more populous states from running roughshod over the less populated ones, the Senators were appointed and were 2 per state regardless of population. Thus, if you could get both the populists AND the authoritarians to agree something should be done, it should probably be done. Otherwise the government was designed to gridlock itself.
 
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I just saw the Hotel Transylvania 2 trailer in spanish. They used the voice of Dr.Doofenshmirtz for Dracula. He sounds whiny.
 
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me, two weeks ago "We need to do ABC as a bridging maneuver so our customers expectations will be met."

boss, two weeks ago "No that is a waste of time and money, our customers will have to understand"

boss, today "You need to do ABC right now, and I mean right now!!!"

me, today does ABC right friggin now, but wonders why it's now a rush....sticks head out of door "Hey Joe! Did any really good looking women drop off items for my work bay today?"

Joe, "Yeah, how did you know?"
 
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My friends brought this huge case of hard cider and I haven't eaten anything today. I must be a responsible DM and not get drunk or I will kill them all.

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