Yep. Good episode.
[TV] Talk about the last TV you watched, the catchall thread
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Well, i haven't watched past the 2nd ep. yet, but i was assuming it would have something to do with her and baby Nathan.
In a way...
figmentPez
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40 minutes into Fallout (Amazon Prime) and I'm loving it.
I don't have Amazon Prime so I haven't watched the show, but there are discussions on r/fallout about it, and apparently...
This has led to... uh... calm and rational discourse on the subreddit.
the series completely ignores the lore and events of New Vegas, and even contradicts New Vegas in some places, thus potentially rendering New Vegas non-canon.
This has led to... uh... calm and rational discourse on the subreddit.
OMFG, another huge lore break.
This show is going to cause lore and canon wars the likes of which the fanbase has never seen.
Apparently Vault-Tec were responsible for setting off the nukes that led to the Great War? Thus removing the whole issue about war leading to mankind's destruction (y'know, "war never changes" and all that), as well as the whole thing about experimental vaults?
This show is going to cause lore and canon wars the likes of which the fanbase has never seen.
figmentPez
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Fans need to get over it, and fanbases need to stop fixating on canon. If the Fallout show is good in it's own right, I'll enjoy it. It doesn't matter if it matches the games or not. It's fiction.
Franchises should be freed from being beholden to their past. Fallout lore has always been held together by "rule of cool" and spectacle over substance. It's not a well examined, cohesive alternate history. It's a barely held together concept that falls apart the moment you look at it too closely. If the visuals and characters are enjoyable, that's all that matters to me.
I don't care if the lore of the show matches the lore of the games any more than I cared if the lore of Batman: Arkham Asylum matched up to the lore of Justice League: Unlimited.
Oh that's absolutely fine. From what I hear, the show has a lot going for it, such as the acting, writing, humor etc. It's just that some of the lore changes feel like they're deliberately crapping on the lore and canon. Like, if they didn't want to use the XXX faction or didn't want them as a major player in the plot, they could've easily just not have the XXX faction show up or not have them play a major role in the storyline, without specifying that something happened to them that completely contradicts one of the games.
It'd be like if someone made a Batman game that told you halfway through, "Oh, by the way, Alfred was caught with underaged pornography and is in prison now." Naturally, you'd be all like, "Wait what? Why'd you even put that in the game?"
Of course if you (or anyone else) are enjoying the show, that's honestly great! I'm happy that people are liking it. I'll probably watch it myself someday if I ever get a chance to. It's just that I wish they could've made the show without deliberately choosing to crap on the lore when there wasn't really a need to.
I partially agree and partially disagree. Now, to be clear, I haven't seen the Fallout series, nor do I particularly care about Fallout lore - it's one of those series which should be up my alley but I've bounced off of every time.
In a more general sense, though, I do think canon matters. you can absolutely have different iterations/timelines/imaginations of the same concepts/characters. Gotham does not claim to be a prequel to the 1965 Batman series; Batman's a very typical character that has been re-imagined more times than I can easily count without taking off my socks. Some aspects of the character and its lore do maintain throughout re-imaginings though, or otherwise it risks being not so much a Batman movie (show/game/etc) as just another vigilante story. Some things can evolve over time (whether it's "Spiderman got bitten by an irradiated spider! No wait, a mutated spider! No wait, a genetically modified spider!" or things to do with gender/color/social issues where the societal views have shifted), some are integral to a character or a setting.
I expect my Star Trek shows to be somewhat consistent and coherent with one another, unless they're clearly set in another dimension/universe (the Kelvinverse, for example). Sure, Klingons get make-up make-overs, and somehow ships from the 23rd century now look more modern than those from the 24th, but that's window dressing. There will always be minor inconsistencies, but shows/games/books/etc claiming to form a part of one whole, should fit into that whole.
Shogun
I almost kept my Disney+ membership going to watch this, but I've been trying to cut back on spending. Fortunately @GasBandit had it on his Plex server, so I watched the first episode last night.
Folks? Watch this damn show. Just watch it. Thank me later.
I almost kept my Disney+ membership going to watch this, but I've been trying to cut back on spending. Fortunately @GasBandit had it on his Plex server, so I watched the first episode last night.
Folks? Watch this damn show. Just watch it. Thank me later.
figmentPez
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On Hulu, Fubo, and FXNow in the US (according to JustWatch), for those wondering.
Whoops, right. I keep forgetting content works differently here in Caunucklestan.
The whole Hulu vs Disney+ division is fading away here in the US, lots of Hulu content is now available on Disney+, including Shogun. Just went to my app and pulled it up there.
This 100%! Been watching since it aired and it's outstanding.
I can also recommend "Ripley" on Netflix. It's an adaptation of the Talented Mr. Ripley but it is being done in B&W period piece in the early '60s and it's really good, very Hitchcock-like.
Just wanted to point out the hilarious (and sad) backlash that show has gotten online for being in black & white. Sooooo many people (mostly Gen Z) are dragging it on Twitter, Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB, etc. because they can't stand that it's not in color.
Lore is fucking stupid and fans should quit harping about it. I don't like Bethesda's version of Fallout and I never have and this show is purely that. I disagree with that rule of cool spectacle thing too. That is Bethesda's Fallout.
That's a shame because it is beautifully shot and brings to mind classic cinema of the period.
figmentPez
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Not available for me on a desktop web browser nor my phone app. I've heard Disney is rolling out the merger in waves to users. I'm not sure how they're deciding who gets the added content first.
Could be based on how long you’ve had the service? We had it day one, but didn’t watch anything for a few days because we were actually at Disney World.
Okay, dumb question. Is the previous X-Men series required watching to watch X-Men '97? I watched...some of it back in the day, but I don't think I saw any of the later seasons. And my memory is hazy on the other stuff.
Like the comics back then, you can pretty much jump in anywhere. Doesn’t mean you’ll get every hint or reference, but they do a decent job of filling in what is needed for the story. If you want to understand every little bit of backstory or cameo, you’ll be required to watch the previous seasons and read all the 30ish years of X-Men comics up to about 1994. I personally just jumped into it and went from there. I did not see the final season.
figmentPez
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I'm read some of the comics, so I'm familiar with the characters and stories. And I recall a lot of the stories, at least in the broad sense. I'll try an episode or two and see how it goes.
So, the first couple of episodes have that 90's cheese-factor, which is intentional. They're trying to give the feel of the original Saturday morning show, which I have a huge nostalgia for, otherwise I might have written this off as kinda goofy. But the recent episodes are like, "Hey, remember how we're not on network tv anymore?", and I swear they're trying to kill me.
Last nitpicking whine from me about the Fallout show, I promise:
There has been a persistent rumor for the last decade or so that the Vault Boy's thumbs up pose is meant to depict him comparing his thumb to a mushroom cloud, the idea being that if your thumb can cover the cloud you're safe from the blast or the radiation or whatever. There's no basis to this rumor, in fact it's been stated by Interplay founder Brian Fargo, Fallout creator Tim Cain, and Vault Boy artist Tramell Ray Isaac that it's just meant to be a thumbs up, that's all. It's meant to be a humorous contrast between a cheery thumbs up and nuclear armageddon. Experts have also stated that this "rule of thumb" is worthless, and that it has never appeared in any manual or guidelines about nuclear safety. But apparently the series changed it so that yes, Vault Boy is holding up his thumb because he's comparing it to a mushroom cloud.
Is this a big deal? Of course not. Having a nuclear shelter company's mascot doing something like this is perfectly reasonable. But, once again, this is a retcon that didn't need to exist, and it shows that the writers either did not know or did not care about what the Vault Boy was designed to represent.
Is this a big deal? Of course not. Having a nuclear shelter company's mascot doing something like this is perfectly reasonable. But, once again, this is a retcon that didn't need to exist, and it shows that the writers either did not know or did not care about what the Vault Boy was designed to represent.
Dave
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There was no retcon. Episode 3 explains where the thumbs up came from.