Official Goblins (comic) Thread
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Iaculus
Then again, folks, this is Goblins. We all know what the outcome will be here.
*Kore raises his axe at just the right angle*
*SPLUTCH*
*Kore raises his axe at just the right angle*
*SPLUTCH*
North_Ranger
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...
Oh crap.
Oh crap.
figmentPez
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Nah, I'm thinking this is where Complains being part-demon comes into play. That pain in his arm isn't just the badly healed break. It's some sort of transformation.
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Lunari
Deus Ex Machina implies a contrived or unnatural occurrence. If it is something with the demon side, it is within the story that already exists with backstory. The shield's power was described before as well. I would agree with it being a Deus if someone suddenly turned out to be a demon and didn't know it or if a previously non magic item suddenly had a godly ability.
figmentPez
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More than that, if the demon part comes into play there will be repercussions. A Deus Ex Machina usually resolves things without consequences, things are fixed and we don't speak of them again.
However, I think Piotyr may be talking about Kevich Gritland, the character profile that's up right now, and a previous owner of the Axe of Prissan. The line "Kevin remembered wondering if the poisons made from the unexplored waters of the swampgate would kill a paladin. A smile formed on his dry, cracked lips as he considered the answer. Absolutely." in particular seems well suited to killing Kore out of nowhere. Oh wow, Big Ear's axe passed right through Kore, but it delivered poison that helped win the fight anyway. (Although that would question why Big Ears wasn't poisoned as well.)
I rather enjoy Goblins for the most part, but I think its weakest aspect is the author's inability to weave important plot hints into the natural flow. He's done this before with the Saral Caine battle, where he basically took a break from the action for a four paragraph exposition about things nobody else could possibly have known before. Sure, it's not exactly a Deus Ex Machina, but it's a very important plot point that none of the characters could possibly know about, to the point where the team is now accidentally fumbling their way to success in situations. Like Thaco knocking Goblinslayer into the pipe by chance with a critical hit. Maybe that kind of luck can happen once, but it's the constant savior of a Goblin party that is inadvertently getting better by the use of outside happenings that seemingly had no bearing on the plot until that particular moment in the story, at which point the author actually has to break away from the comic and explain everything at once.
Then again, maybe the shoddy writing is intentional and the reason things don't make sense is because the GM is writing around his party's apparent lucky streak?
The Kevich Gritland page throws into doubt the previous story of the history of the Axe of Prissan. I believe Kore's come into contact with the Axe before (or might even have been a previous owner, I can't remember), so he might know the Axe isn't a paladin-only item, and that the history automatically conveyed to each user isn't accurate. It's also possible he's discovered the true nature of the Axe, and it's related to his quest to eliminate all evil.
On a somewhat related note, can anyone figure out what Ears's plan is? He's tied a rope to the Axe and then hurled it into a tree, challenging Kore to go get it, while holding on to the rope.
On a somewhat related note, can anyone figure out what Ears's plan is? He's tied a rope to the Axe and then hurled it into a tree, challenging Kore to go get it, while holding on to the rope.
figmentPez
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Hmm, I thought that Kevich doubted the history of the axe because he was evil, a little crazy, and hated paladins so much he couldn't believe anything they said. We've known since the start that the axe can be used by non-paladins, since Saral Caine had it before Big Ears killed him. Saral killed the paladin that had the axe before him, and had no idea of the history of the weapon.
figmentPez
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Kore is obsessive to the point of myopia, isn't he? I guess when you're as dangerous as he is, you can afford to ignore strategy.
North_Ranger
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*whimper*
Two problems with that:
1.) They can't just take him to the nearest town and have a priest do it. Which means...
2.) They'd need to find another Goblin with class levels to do it, which is clearly rare. They'd also need to find the reagents for it. Last time I checked, you needed a diamond or something to resurrect someone in D&D.
Two problems with that:
1.) They can't just take him to the nearest town and have a priest do it. Which means...
2.) They'd need to find another Goblin with class levels to do it, which is clearly rare. They'd also need to find the reagents for it. Last time I checked, you needed a diamond or something to resurrect someone in D&D.[/QUOTE]
True of course, though I'd like to specify that they require the co-operation of a creature capable of casting 7th level clerical spells (such as a 13th lvl cleric). Plus the material components, of course.
Not easy to be sure, but perhaps do-able. Whether they consider the diversion of effort from their main task (becoming defenders of their tribe) worth it is another matter - at the end of the day, Chief is just another goblin killed by adventurers.
Isn't it like 500 gp worth of diamonds as the component? Getting that just by itself could be a huge undertaking.
Maybe they'll find some other way. I wouldn't be surprised if Thaco knows of some legendary artifact that can do that.
I'm thinking fumbles might take cleric levels after this in honor of chief.
Maybe they'll find some other way. I wouldn't be surprised if Thaco knows of some legendary artifact that can do that.
I'm thinking fumbles might take cleric levels after this in honor of chief.
figmentPez
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I like Cal. The axe has had some very interesting wielders.
Seconded. Cal is probably my favorite of them all so far.
Please let there be an update showing Kore's ass being kicked soon... He deserves it.
figmentPez
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Yeah, I saw this coming but I think it was made even more obvious with Cal and the talk of his IME having frost properties.
figmentPez
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Should I have noticed this before? Kore's IME looks like wings. Wings made of severed heads dangling on chains. *shudder*
I'm wondering if Kore's just a paladin of some deranged, evil god, or if the appearance of his "holy" powers is diferent because we're seeing it from the perspective of the kind of things he kills.
The Fortune Teller mentioned that Kore is cursed, which probably relates to why he's such a... different... paladin. Also, there's speculation that he's stuck inside his armor, partly based on the chains on his chest, and partly because his armor doesn't appear to have seams where there logically should be (such as his gauntlets).
figmentPez
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But was the curse placed on him against his will, or did he willingly take it up in order to gain power?