If this becomes reality I will move to another country. Immediately.

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To be honest, no one performing well in that list really seems like a contender.
 
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If it is Trump vs. Obama, I think Obama wins it.
If it's Trump vs. a turnip, I think a turnip wins it.
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To be honest, no one performing well in that list really seems like a contender.
I know. Four years ago it seemed like a Giuliani vs. Clinton election was a lock. I'm just disheartened that Trump could get even a little bit of attention like this.
 

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Yeah, I don't think anyone honestly could see this guy as a real nomination.
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I know. Four years ago it seemed like a Giuliani vs. Clinton election was a lock. I'm just disheartened that Trump could get even a little bit of attention like this.
He has a LOT of money and popularity. Getting attention is kind of what he's good at.
 
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I know that's likely sarcasm (I hope), but that more or less highlights the reason why I've largely stopped discussing politics online anymore.
No, i actually want you to post pictures of people you meet here so we can judge their character and intellect by their features... why yes, i am bringing the victorian era back...
 

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The latest Republican primary poll has Donald Trump tied for first with 19%.

How is this happening? The vast majority of the Republicans I've met in my life are intelligent, rational people. Where are these morons that would vote for a reality show star coming from?
They've got nobody else to vote for, and are discouraged to have seen a celebritized, platitude-spewing empty suit elected last time. If these intelligent, rational republicans were really all that intelligent and rational, they'd be voting libertarian. The only things a republican politician values are his political power and his facade.
 
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Uh huh. One day I'm sure you'll say something that won't make you sound like a feeble-minded bitter crackpot. Keep trying.
 

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It's the truth, not only in general but specifically here as well. The only reason to be a Republican instead of a Libertarian is because you have an archaic hangup about gay marriage, abortion, or legal weed.
 
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It's the truth, not only in general but specifically here as well. The only reason to be a Republican instead of a Libertarian is because you have an archaic hangup about gay marriage, abortion, or legal weed.
See, I always thought the difference between Republicans and Libertarians was that Republicans actually got elected. :D

But to be serious, I doubt we'd ever see Trump elected and if he was, he'd be even more tightly controlled than Bush Jr. We have more than one recorded instance of him flipping out, he can barely control the actors/celebrities on his show, he's bankrupted a casino (seriously, how do you bankrupt a place people THROW MONEY into?) and his citizenship status is even more vague than Obama's.
 
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It's the truth, not only in general but specifically here as well. The only reason to be a Republican instead of a Libertarian is because you have an archaic hangup about gay marriage, abortion, or legal weed.

Says the guy who's party nearly shut down the government due to hangups about funding shit like planned parenthood.
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They've got nobody else to vote for, and are discouraged to have seen a celebritized, platitude-spewing empty suit elected last time. If these intelligent, rational republicans were really all that intelligent and rational, they'd be voting libertarian. The only things a republican politician values are his political power and his facade.

Just like in Somalia - the land of libertarian law!
 
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The funny thing is that GB is the closest to a intelligent republican conservative i have seen on the internet yet...
 

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Says the guy who's party nearly shut down the government due to hangups about funding shit like planned parenthood.
Reading comprehension for the win, cheezwoffel. I don't know how you read what I posted and somehow thought I was identifying myself as a republican.

Me: "Republicans bad. Libertarians good. Gay marriage good. Legalized marijuana good. Right to abortion good."
Waffle: "YOU REPUBLICANS HATE PLANNED PARENTHOOD"

:facepalm:
 
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How many Libertarian Party people are in Congress? The House of Representatives? Excluding everyone who puts the big (R) before their name, that is.
 
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Reading comprehension for the win, cheezwoffel. I don't know how you read what I posted and somehow thought I was identifying myself as a republican.

Me: "Republicans bad. Libertarians good. Gay marriage good. Legalized marijuana good. Right to abortion good."
Waffle: "YOU REPUBLICANS HATE PLANNED PARENTHOOD"

:facepalm:
I thought he was actually calling you a Tea Party supporter.
 

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How many Libertarian Party people are in Congress? The House of Representatives? Excluding everyone who puts the big (R) before their name, that is.
Completely irrelevant. That idiocy is ubiquitous doesn't mean it ceases to be idiocy. I mean, after all... it's not just (R)s there in congress, even worse it's where all those lobotomized insane dipshits with (D)s by their name are, too.

But in all seriousness, the difference is, at least most democrat politicians actually follow some rough approximation of what they purport to stand for. They say they want more social programs, increased regulation, and to tax the rich, and when they get elected, they spend more (on social programs, increased regulation), and tax the rich. Republicans, on the other hand, claim they want to lower spending and reduce government intrusiveness... and when they get elected, they spend more (often ALSO on social programs and increased regulation).

The democrats are idiots with no connection to fiscal reality, but at least they come by their platform honestly. The republicans are just out-and-out charlatans.

And yes, I like to party.

 
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Gas, the time it would take to tear apart your entire post would be a futile waste. Just look back over the last 30 years and see who actually balanced the budget- the "fiscally irresponsible" Democrat President or the "fiscally responsible" Republican Presidents. I think everyone here already knows the answer to that. It's just a shame it took one idiot to completely ruin it and put us back in the hole.
 

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Gas, the time it would take to tear apart your entire post would be a futile waste. Just look back over the last 30 years and see who actually balanced the budget- the "fiscally irresponsible" Democrat President or the "fiscally responsible" Republican Presidents. I think everyone here already knows the answer to that.
I'd like you to point out where I said Republicans are fiscally responsible. As for the times the budget balanced under democrats, that's more like the fans in the bleachers taking credit for the win of the team.
 
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Gas, the time it would take to tear apart your entire post would be a futile waste. Just look back over the last 30 years and see who actually balanced the budget- the "fiscally irresponsible" Democrat President or the "fiscally responsible" Republican Presidents. I think everyone here already knows the answer to that. It's just a shame it took one idiot to completely ruin it and put us back in the hole.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Congress set budgets, not Presidents?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Congress set budgets, not Presidents?
The president often submits a budget, but when it comes right down to it, it's the House of Representatives that holds responsibility. But I really don't think either party can take responsibility for the times when they lucked into a less miserable economic situation. It's what happens under duress that defines men, and this latest little debacle illustrates excellently how little difference there is between the two - a controversy over whether to cut 6 billion or 38 billion (or even *gasp* one hundred billion!).... from a 9 trillion dollar budget, and then go on to argue about whether or not to raise our seventeen trillion (that's 17,000,000,000,000) dollar debt ceiling. We're just polishing doorknobs on the titanic at this point.

What's scary, is how our elected officials are acting now even makes Dubya and his republican majority, once criticized for "spending like drunken democrats," look fiscally reserved by comparison! We've gone into full blown clueless-idiot-insane mode here. We spend a huge chunk of our budget just paying off the interest on the debt we owe the chinese just so they can turn that money right around and lend it to us again. How people aren't charging up the capitol steps with a battering ram and guillotine as we speak, I can't explain.

Actually, I can. Bread and circuses... or in our case, stimulus checks and reality television.
 
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The other side of it is: The economy is complex system. It's not like a temperature gauge - you can't turn it up or down and expect instant results. It can take many years, if not decades for decisions made today to really show in the system. The current recession, for example, is a result of changes to legislation that happened in the 80s, along with irrational consumer purchasing in the 90s. For anyone to say "This economy, good or bad, is as a result of the current President" is akin to saying the earth is only 4000 years old. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
 
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In that case, any economic argument regarding our economy and what will fix it is moot.

You can't have it both ways. Either the economic plans/regulations of the day have an impact on how our society fares in the global market, or it doesn't.
 

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What has an impact is sustained, deliberate responsibility and economic empowerment. What we have is wanton impulsive slothful, apathetic children with misplaced senses of entitlement pitching fits, and either, to borrow a phrase, voting themselves largesse from the public coffers... or attempting to legislate archaic morality.
 
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