Do you identify as a feminist?

[Adam]

Maybe it gets you upset, and you try to bring it to more people's attentions so they maybe do one thing to cast off male privilege?

No, all it does is confirm opinions about your self-hating.

Edit: how exactly does one "cast off male privilege"?[/QUOTE]

It's done alone and in private unless you get together with a buddy and do it to each other.[/QUOTE]

You busy later tonight?

 

[makare]

man adammon is one horny guy today.


someone hide the plants and the sheep.

 

[Adam]

man adammon is one horny guy today.


someone hide the plants and the sheep.

That time of the month, a week early. *sigh* Got the inevitable text message from the wife "You're going to hate me!"

 

[Krisken]

Of course Charlie's avatar of a completely, sexually objectified woman should discredit his feminist stance.

I've been chuckling about that since page 1.

 

[Adam]

Of course Charlie's avatar of a completely, sexually objectified woman should discredit his feminist stance.

I've been chuckling about that since page 1.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't count if Charlie does it. Just like if I sexually harass Espy, it's okay.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

This is getting to the complex issue of whether women that make a lot of money/fame because of their sexuality and body are slaves to the patriarchy or owning it and playing stupid men like fiddles. I don't think you're ready for that discussion though, halforums.

 

[Espy]

Of course Charlie's avatar of a completely, sexually objectified woman should discredit his feminist stance.

I've been chuckling about that since page 1.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't count if Charlie does it. Just like if I sexually harass Espy, it's okay.[/QUOTE]

Todays message is: sexually objectifying women is funny if it's ironic! Sexually objectifying me is... well... thats life I suppose...

 

[Adam]

This is getting to the complex issue of whether women that make a lot of money/fame because of their sexuality and body are slaves to the patriarchy or owning it and playing stupid men like fiddles. I don't think you're ready for that discussion though, halforums.

Yes, because it's the rest of the forum that has issues with women in society....

 

[Hailey Knight]

This has gone on four additional pages today.

Do none of you have better things to do? Sheesh, even Chaz went to work.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

I am as unemployed as fuck

 

[sixpackshaker]

I am as unemployed as fuck

I don't know...

Fuck, does a lot of business.

 

[Chazwozel]

I am as unemployed as fuck

And it shows...

Perhaps if you spent more time job hunting and less time pissing and moaning about the plight of others...

 

[Sara_2814]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

 

[ThatGrinningIdiot!]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

I'm impressed! I find your opinions to be concise, intelligent, and wise. You're truly a woman who's due great respect from her peers.

Now kindly bake me pie, please. My favorite is cherry.


Kidding!

 

[Espy]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

I'm impressed! I find your opinions to be concise, intelligent, and wise. You're truly a woman who's due great respect from her peers.

Now kindly bake me pie, please. My favorite is cherry.


Kidding![/QUOTE]

He's not kidding. His favorite really is cherry.

 

[Sara_2814]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

I'm impressed! I find your opinions to be concise, intelligent, and wise. You're truly a woman who's due great respect from her peers.

Now kindly bake me pie, please. My favorite is cherry.


Kidding![/QUOTE]

Oh, man, cherry pie does sound good. Dammit, now I want pie!

 

[Adam]

 

[crono1224]

I do find it amazing a lot of the time the people defending 'minorities' or 'lower class people' tend to treat them like they couldn't do anything themselves. Please think of the women if we don't change our way of life they will be forced to stay in the kitchens because they don't know any better.

Also double points if the act like they understand where the other side is coming from if they have never lived it. Hence the calling Charlie Meatheadd from All in the Family, specifically where the black robbers break into their house, and he defends them saying Archie doesn't understand growing up in the ghetto, and the robbers respond "and you do?".

 

[Krisken]

Shame on you Adammon! Warrant should never be remembered.

 

[Hailey Knight]

The most sexist, anti-Feminist person in this entire discussion is Charlie. Chaz and the others may be throwing out the "pie in the kitchen" type jokes, but that means they don't consider us fragile little flowers who need to be protected by a White Knight. We'll either throw a joke back or get angry, but at least they have the respect for women to assume we can make our own decisions on how to react or feel about it. How many of the "Privileged White Males" in this discussion have lectured women on how we should feel about Feminism? Only one.

Hey Charlie? Feminism doesn't exist to give you an ego boost or teh lulz or whatever the hell your reason is for all this. Women aren't victims for you to White Knight and we're capable of fighting our own battles without your lists and lectures. Since you're a movie guy, I'll put it into those terms: you're acting like a White Savior and you're treating women like ignorant natives who can't take care of themselves.

I like you.

And thank you.

 

[makare]

I don't know. Charlie's indignance about an issue usually seems to be his own. I've no thought he was trying to say women can't be upset on their own he just is upset also.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

Chaz. For someone who is all like "You don't know a fucking thing about me", you sure as shit are giving me a lot of unwarranted personal advice about jobs/girls. With all due respect, fuck off and leave me alone.

 

[Element 117]

Oh my god this thread.

It's my favorite thread EVER. It's just.... So awesome. I cannot give enough rep. So instead I will go recite this thread while naked at open mic night. No pictures, assume it doesn't happen.

 

[Chazwozel]

Chaz. For someone who is all like "You don't know a fucking thing about me", you sure as shit are giving me a lot of unwarranted personal advice about jobs/girls. With all due respect, fuck off and leave me alone.

Obviously my goal of jabbing at your open sores worked. Makare really believes she knows me as a person, inside and out (which is an insanely arrogant and prickish thing to assume for any person) when she has no fucking clue. I know better, and all I was trying to do was get a rise out of you to shut you the hell up. There's the difference.

In regards to the thread. The only fathomable reason you're interested in seeing who's a feminist is so you can isolate and verbally bash those who will inevitably respond with comments that are unfavorable to your point of view. That list you posted only pushes your agenda further. You're attempting to spread your white guilt to the rest of us in some sad attempt to make yourself feel better. I'm just extrapolating on what I read on that list. If you're so privileged, why not use that to your advantage instead of feeling guilty about it? Women can fight their own fight. You can support it, but they don't need you there in your white armor, blazing gloriously in the sunlight.

This is akin to why a lot of black people get pissed off when a white person helps with their plight. You're not a woman and your not black. You can sympathize with their situation, but for the most part you don't understand it and you usually end up pissing people off.


Oh and here I can post stupid checklists too:

As a woman …
1. I have a much lower chance of being murdered than a man.
2. I have a much lower chance of being driven to successfully commit suicide than a man.
3. I have a lower chance of being a victim of a violent assault than a man.
4. I have probably been taught that it is acceptable to cry.
5. I will probably live longer than the average man.
6. Most people in society probably will not see my overall worthiness as a person being exclusively tied to how high up in the hierarchy I rise.
7. I have a much better chance of being considered to be a worthy mate for someone, even if I’m unemployed with little money, than a man.
8. I am given much greater latitude to form close, intimate friendships than a man is.
9. My chance of suffering a work-related injury or illness is significantly lower than a man’s.
10. My chance of being killed on the job is a tiny fraction of a man’s.
11. If I shy away from fights, it is unlikely that this will damage my standing in my peer group or call into question my worthiness as a sex partner.
12. I am not generally expected to be capable of violence. If I lack this capacity, this will generally not be seen as a damning personal deficiency.
13. If I was born in North America since WWII, I can be almost certain that my genitals were not mutilated soon after birth, without anesthesia.
14. If I attempt to hug a friend in joy, it’s much less likely that my friend will wonder about my sexuality or pull away in unease.
15. If I seek a hug in solace from a close friend, I’ll have much less concern about how my friend will interpret the gesture or whether my worthiness as a member of my gender will be called into question.
16. I generally am not compelled by the rules of my sex to wear emotional armor in interactions with most people.
17. I am frequently the emotional center of my family.
18. I am allowed to wear clothes that signify ‘vulnerability’, ‘playful openness’, and ’softness’.
19. I am allowed to BE vulnerable, playful, and soft without calling my worthiness as a human being into question.
20. If I interact with other people’s children — particularly people I don’t know very well — I do not have to worry much about the interaction being misinterpreted.
21. If I have trouble accommodating to some aspects of gender demands, I have a much greater chance than a man does of having a sympathetic audience to discuss the unreasonableness of the demand, and a much lower chance that this failure to accommodate will be seen as signifying my fundamental inadequacy as a member of my gender.
22. I am less likely to be shamed for being sexually inactive than a man.
23. From my late teens through menopause, for most levels of sexual attractiveness, it is easier for me to find a sex partner at my attractiveness level than it is for a man.
24. My role in my child’s life is generally seen as more important than the child’s father’s role.

 

[Krisken]

Since when does getting someone pissed off make them be quiet?

 

[Sara_2814]

As a woman …
1. I have a much lower chance of being murdered than a man.
2. I have a much lower chance of being driven to successfully commit suicide than a man.
3. I have a lower chance of being a victim of a violent assault than a man.
4. I have probably been taught that it is acceptable to cry.
5. I will probably live longer than the average man.
6. Most people in society probably will not see my overall worthiness as a person being exclusively tied to how high up in the hierarchy I rise.
7. I have a much better chance of being considered to be a worthy mate for someone, even if I’m unemployed with little money, than a man.
8. I am given much greater latitude to form close, intimate friendships than a man is.
9. My chance of suffering a work-related injury or illness is significantly lower than a man’s.
10. My chance of being killed on the job is a tiny fraction of a man’s.
11. If I shy away from fights, it is unlikely that this will damage my standing in my peer group or call into question my worthiness as a sex partner.
12. I am not generally expected to be capable of violence. If I lack this capacity, this will generally not be seen as a damning personal deficiency.
13. If I was born in North America since WWII, I can be almost certain that my genitals were not mutilated soon after birth, without anesthesia.
14. If I attempt to hug a friend in joy, it’s much less likely that my friend will wonder about my sexuality or pull away in unease.
15. If I seek a hug in solace from a close friend, I’ll have much less concern about how my friend will interpret the gesture or whether my worthiness as a member of my gender will be called into question.
16. I generally am not compelled by the rules of my sex to wear emotional armor in interactions with most people.
17. I am frequently the emotional center of my family.
18. I am allowed to wear clothes that signify ‘vulnerability’, ‘playful openness’, and ’softness’.
19. I am allowed to BE vulnerable, playful, and soft without calling my worthiness as a human being into question.
20. If I interact with other people’s children — particularly people I don’t know very well — I do not have to worry much about the interaction being misinterpreted.
21. If I have trouble accommodating to some aspects of gender demands, I have a much greater chance than a man does of having a sympathetic audience to discuss the unreasonableness of the demand, and a much lower chance that this failure to accommodate will be seen as signifying my fundamental inadequacy as a member of my gender.
22. I am less likely to be shamed for being sexually inactive than a man.
23. From my late teens through menopause, for most levels of sexual attractiveness, it is easier for me to find a sex partner at my attractiveness level than it is for a man.
24. My role in my child’s life is generally seen as more important than the child’s father’s role.

I am a terrible, horrible person. Every single item on this list is entirely my fault, and it’s entirely my fault they still exist. I am a selfish asshole for choosing to be born into a gender with these privileges. These privileges would instantly cease to exist if only I would fully accept my guilt and put a bumper sticker on my car proclaiming it. I am ashamed to be a woman.





amidoinitrite?

 

[Covar]

you forgot My fault I'm female.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

I have never said anything remotely about being shamed to be a man. And that checklist you posted is really terrible and stuff I've run into many times and felt horrible about. And I don't have any bumper stickers on my card. I didn't post this thread to find people to make fun of. Y'all do a pretty good job of making yourselves obvious everywhere else! I posted it to raise awareness and possibly disspell some of the dumb myths about feminism (that it's about Women being superior to Men for one).

The white knight thing really gets me mad. I'm not fighting the battles for women. I'm joining them and fighting with them. I'm in no way implying or thinking that I can do it better than them. I'm not helping them because I have pity or anything like that, I'm doing it because the way things are pisses me off, and I want to do what I can to change things.

 

[MindDetective]

Blindly changing things rarely helped anybody.

 

[Chazwozel]

I have never said anything remotely about being shamed to be a man. And that checklist you posted is really terrible and stuff I've run into many times and felt horrible about. And I don't have any bumper stickers on my card. I didn't post this thread to find people to make fun of. Y'all do a pretty good job of making yourselves obvious everywhere else! I posted it to raise awareness and possibly disspell some of the dumb myths about feminism (that it's about Women being superior to Men for one).

The white knight thing really gets me mad. I'm not fighting the battles for women. I'm joining them and fighting with them. I'm in no way implying or thinking that I can do it better than them. I'm not helping them because I have pity or anything like that, I'm doing it because the way things are pisses me off, and I want to do what I can to change things.

Funny that you say that list I posted sucks ass. I got it from the same website that generated the one you posted.

As far as joining them and fighting with them goes. Women don't need your help. The best way you can help is to not be a sexist pig yourself. This is exactly akin to why black people get pissed off at times when white people step too far with helping their civil rights plight. It's not your fucking fight. So just shut the fuck up and enjoy your privileged white male status; stop trying to shame me for doing the same. The reason people get their panties in a bunch over assholes like you isn't because they're racist or sexist, it's because your head's so far up your ass that you can't see past your own agenda and immediately throw out labels towards people who skew even slightly from your perspective. How many times have we heard ol' Charlie call a person out and call them a "horrible human being." The majority of people are not horrible human beings. You associate horrible human beings with anyone who doesn't agree to how you think.

I don't like being called a sexist when I know I'm not. You don't have to wave a retarded list of garbage half-truths to shame me into siding with your argument. That's a great way to get a punch to the face.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I backed out of the thread earlier because I had nothing else to really say on this matter once it degenerated. However, I wanted to chime in to say I like you Sara_2814, you are my type of peoples.

 

[Chazwozel]

I backed out of the thread earlier because I had nothing else to really say on this matter once it degenerated. However, I wanted to chime in to say I like you Sara_2814, you are my type of peoples.

I too like Sara. She seems like she'd be awesome to have a beer with and shoot the shit.

 

[makare]

So one list canceled out another. Glad that's over.

 

[Chazwozel]

So one list canceled out another. Glad that's over.

It's pretty hilarious how he thinks the list I posted is crap. I literally got it from the same website that Charlie found his little turd-nugget.

 

[makare]

So one list canceled out another. Glad that's over.

It's pretty hilarious how he thinks the list I posted is crap. I literally got it from the same website that Charlie found his little turd-nugget.[/QUOTE]

I think he feels the same way about the list he posted though.

And I have to know, oh mysterious one, if you were sitting with your friends and one of them said that not only is he ok with manicures but he gets one every month or so, what would you say to him? What would you say behind his back? Let's assume that the things you say while "joking" count.