22000000 unemployed
Economy destroyed
40000 dead
2 genocides
Longest government shutdown in history
Impeached
Eats well done steaks
But! He doesn't where tan suits! So clearly a decent bloke.
Economy destroyed
40000 dead
2 genocides
Longest government shutdown in history
Impeached
Eats well done steaks
But! He doesn't where tan suits! So clearly a decent bloke.
He's Pro Life, believes in Pulling Yourself Up By Your Own Bootstraps, and he's in favor of Traditional Family Values.
He's clearly ok.
Name one thing as wssteful as the Iraq war that again you still think was a good investment.
Or I could point to the fact that the governme was running a surplus before Republicans wfnt on those nonsense spending sprees.
And you've finally admitted that I was 100% right in the fact that the Social Security administration prepared for the baby boomers retiring. But for some reason you said I was wrong.
Do wonder what the point of your political philosophy is when it is utterly useless during an emergency.
Wait, gas are you actually pro-iraq war?
Once again, this isn't a 3 year old's piggy bank, you don't actually have actual physical money stored in some place for you to break open in a couple of decades.
And, under the current economic system, that would actually be a bad idea in the 1st place (member when you mentioned inflation?).
Hell, over half of capitalism is actually using "other people's money" to do stuff under the idea that it will produce enough value to pay it back and keep the profits.
Then don't call it a pyramid scheme, since that's an objectively unsustainable model, hence it's definition as an illegal scam.
And not getting a pension will be the last of your problem if the government fucks up the economy enough to actually not be able to cover it's IOU's.
figmentPez
Staff member
*yawn* Wake me when something actually happens because of it.
Only when he accidentally says or does something that might cost the wrong people money.
GasBandit
Staff member
I mean, I didn't exactly champion the Iraq war, but I did say repeatedly that the only reason democrats hated it is because GWB was president during it, and noted how gleefully they kept trumpeting every single casualty report in the news because the US losing the Iraq war was politically advantageous for them. But I mean, this was 17 years ago, and I'm kinda surprised Dubyaman is trying to paint me as pro-iraq war as if I were the hawkiest hawk that ever hawked AND it is somehow pertinent to social security, given that SS's money was already spent - war or not - and was going to run out of money regardless.
If by "prepared" you mean spent all the money and left an IOU in its place, then sure, sound that victory horn.
I often decried that republicans were "spending like drunken democrats" back then, and then the democrats got back into power and showed us what spending REALLY was!
The SSA spent it? That...doesn't sound right. I think you are conflating different parts of the government into a single entity...
It was last year you were defending the Iraq war to me. One of the biggest fucking wastes of government money and you were defending it. And specifically I'm talking about your defenseless claim that Democrats are as responsible for government spending as Republicans (sic) which is just obviously untrue.
More than you've proven this debate.
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I assume this is supposed to be Democrats/Republicans rather than Democrats/Democrats.
—Patrick
Well, the claim that Democrats are as bad as Democrats definitely has some merit.
As a democrat... yeah, that tracks, they're pretty terrible. The only thing the party has going for them right now is not being as outlandishly evil as the republicans, if that problem is ever solved they're doomed.Well, the claim that Democrats are as bad as Democrats definitely has some merit.
... which explains a lot of the actions the DNC takes, actually.
Indeed wish I could say that this will make me think twice before writing one more post for the night but I know myself and it definitely won't.
I often decried that republicans were "spending like drunken democrats" back then, and then the democrats got back into power and showed us what spending REALLY was!
Ah, yes, Obama lowering the deficit almost every year after being handed the 2008 housing market crash totally proves Dems are irresponsible with spending...
It's like i'm taking crazy pills....
I notice the graph also starts right after the four years of surplus (under Clinton).
...but I assume that's because so many people consider 9/11 to be their "Everything changed the day the Fire Nation attacked"
moment.
--Patrick
GasBandit
Staff member
I'm gonna need a link on that.
The 08 housing market crash was caused by Democrats screaming "RACISM" every time someone said "hey maybe we shouldn't be trying to legislate the indigent into homeownership," so it was more of a case of reaping what was sown.
Yes, THIS was the problem and not, I dunno, a far more complex and much less easily blamed on Democrats series of terrible decisions by everyone in charge.
GasBandit
Staff member
Hey, Dubya, for all his faults, tried repeatedly to get this addressed. He was repeatedly excoriated for it in the exact manner I described, particularly by Barney Frank, who is probably the single person most responsible for the housing market crash.
You need a link for something that you said? Seems pretty backwards.
And a flat out racist trope from you. Pretty predictable really.
The Constitution would back someone up if they said "that's enough, sir," and dragged the orange object away from the podium. But no one has. They'd still have Pence if it eventually happened. But the lengths the GOP will go to defend Trump instead defies all reason.
Is Pence really that anathema even to the GOP itself? Just how terrified should I be of that possibility?
Is Pence really that anathema even to the GOP itself? Just how terrified should I be of that possibility?
Ah yes, it was the damn poors fault, and most certainly didn't have anything to do with the people making millions in the unregulated derivatives market by mixing "high yield assets " (a.k.a. junk bonds) with regular ones and then selling them as AAA bonds.
They even made a movie about it:
It only defies reason when you assume all of them want to just support the constitution, but that isn't why they are there. The only thing they care about is re-election and passing enough lobbied issues that their donors will set them up for the rest of their life. Trump was a gut punch to the GOP. None of them wanted him, but his base, the people he has bamboozled into following him, have a fervor and size that the GOP feels they absolutely need in order to keep power. If one of them walked up and pulled Trump off the stage to put Pence in charge, all of the MAGA would see it as a "coup" spearheaded by "RINOs" and could lead to huge future GOP loses in important states.
This is the same thing many of us worry about with the whole Bernie issue, as Bernie has a similar pull as Trump, only from the left, and much like 2016 we worry progressives are going to stay home en masse in protest for Bernie not getting the nomination.
Yes, we already know Pence is a republican.
And?
Actively, as opposed to the current subterfuge, where things being done to erode that separation are couched/justified by "end running" them using other reasons. That is, with Pence in place, instead of creating legislation or institutions which indirectly make it highly inconvenient to do things like get an abortion or prescribe hormone therapy, we would see more outright blatant restrictions and banning. In other words, much like racists have under Trump, they wouldn't obfuscate their agenda any more, and would have the confidence to pursue them openly. That's what I mean by "actively."
--Patrick
It's okay, guys! He was SARCASTIC about injecting Lysol!