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The Fappening

Aug 31, 2014#1

GasBandit

There's been a major hack of the apple iCloud, and several celebrity women have had nude pictures stolen or leaked, among them Jennifer Lawrence, Ariana Grande, Aubrey Plaza, Kate Upton and a bunch more I can't be bothered to remember. The perpetrator is releasing the pictures in dribs and drabs on 4chan, and claims there are movies, too, but is asking for bitcoins before he releases those. The event has been dubbed "the fappening," and naturally it has its own subreddit already.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/jennifer-lawrence-ariana-grande-picture-leak

(Above link is SFW)

Just shows ta go ya, nothing digital is safe.

Also, Lawrence's agent has apparently never heard of the Streisand Effect.

Aug 31, 2014#2

Dave

This whole thing sickens me. Talk about an invasion of privacy. Yes, I'm that guy. The guy who reported every thread without looking at them. I did look at the first few until I realized what was happening. Reddit decries the NSA yet doesn't seem to mind if the things hacked gets them off. Fucking hypocrites.

Aug 31, 2014#3

Hailey Knight

I got really confused earlier; the Jennifer Lawrence leaks showed up on my Tumblr dashboard and I think the girls reblogging them from a LGTB blog didn't know they were leaks against her will since the captions were going "thank you" and "you're so beautiful", as if Lawrence had wanted those out there. It was surreal.

Obviously the fact that this happened in disgusting, and I agree with Dave about the whole anti-NSA, pro-invasion of privacy being hypocritical bullshit.[DOUBLEPOST=1409546569,1409546425][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, this is the same iCloud issue that hadn't been fixed while Apple continued to ping people about logging into it. Yay.

Aug 31, 2014#4

Charlie Don't Surf

man, all those people saying "if you didn't want anyone to see you naked, you shouldn't have taken the pictures!!!" are really pieces of shit

Aug 31, 2014#5

jwhouk

Well, dude, I know I don't wanna see you naked...

:awesome:

Sep 1, 2014#6

Ravenpoe

Charlie Don't Surf said:
man, all those people saying "if you didn't want anyone to see you naked, you shouldn't have taken the pictures!!!" are really pieces of shit

If you didn't want your property stolen, you shouldn't have had it. Duh.

That's why instead of insurance, I just burn everything I own.

Sep 1, 2014#7

GasBandit

The irony here is that if they, instead of their iPhone 5's, had elected to use old style, low tech Polaroids... their nudes would still be secure.

Analog 4Eva, brobeans.

Sep 1, 2014#8

Kovac

I say that we go even further back with our technology to be absolutely sure.

Sep 1, 2014#9

Hailey Knight

GasBandit said:
The irony here is that if they, instead of their iPhone 5's, had elected to use old style, low tech Polaroids... their nudes would still be secure.

Analog 4Eva, brobeans.

Exactly, analog. Did none of them watch the first couple episodes of Battlestar Galactica?

Sep 1, 2014#10

blotsfan

Yeah as...tempting as it is to look at some of them, thats pretty awful.

Sep 1, 2014#11

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
man, all those people saying "if you didn't want anyone to see you naked, you shouldn't have taken the pictures!!!" are really pieces of shit

I'm willing to bet this bites Apple in the ass - hard.[DOUBLEPOST=1409574103,1409574012][/DOUBLEPOST]

blotsfan said:
Yeah as...tempting as it is to look at some of them, thats pretty awful.

Sorry, I'm a weaker man. JLaw has an amazing set.

Sep 1, 2014#12

Hailey Knight

I honestly thought Jennifer Lawrence's were on purpose at first because her Hunger Games co-star Jena Malone had done so a couple months back. Funny thing, when it's the celebrity's choice, no one talks about it. When the photos are stolen and released against her will, it's big news (plus apparently they're sluts--cause that makes fucking sense. People are fucking stupid.)
Now just waiting on Donald Sutherland nudes.

Sep 1, 2014#13

Mathias

Zero Esc said:
I honestly thought Jennifer Lawrence's were on purpose at first because her Hunger Games co-star Jena Malone had done so a couple months back. Funny thing, when it's the celebrity's choice, no one talks about it. When the photos are stolen and released against her will, it's big news (plus apparently they're sluts--cause that makes fucking sense. People are fucking stupid.)
Now just waiting on Donald Sutherland nudes.

Silly boy, women aren't allowed to have sexual thoughts and fantasies !

Sep 1, 2014#14

Hailey Knight

Mathias said:
I'm willing to bet this bites Apple in the ass - hard.

That would be nice. Maybe they'd actually fix their shit.

Mathias said:
Silly boy, women aren't allowed to have sexual thoughts and fantasies !

They're not? Well shit, I'd better tell my wife.

...

She said I don't have to worry about that.

Sep 1, 2014#15

Mathias

What was the actual breach at Apple? Did they just use shitty encoding or something?[DOUBLEPOST=1409576439,1409576019][/DOUBLEPOST]Ok, this made me laugh:

Sep 1, 2014#16

PatrThom

Mathias said:
JLaw has an amazing set.

Why are you ogling Jude Law?

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#17

Hailey Knight

PatrThom said:
Why are you ogling Jude Law?

--Patrick

Didn't you hear his voice in Rise of the Guardians?

(1:34)

Sep 1, 2014#18

PatrThom

Mathias said:
What was the actual breach at Apple? Did they just use shitty encoding or something?

I wasn't able to find anything specific. There was a certificate breach a while back, but that got fixed. I am assuming this was done via the same process as the iCloud "ransomeware" thing except that instead of locking the phone and demanding payment, the attacker either harvested pictures at that time or else turned on the Photo Stream sharing to be able to lurk any uploaded photos for later.[DOUBLEPOST=1409577592,1409577540][/DOUBLEPOST]

Zero Esc said:
Didn't you hear his voice in Rise of the Guardians?

I was actually going to reference RotG, but even though *I* saw it recently, I didn't know how fresh it was in everyone else's mind here.

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#19

Hailey Knight

PatrThom said:
I was actually going to reference RotG, but even though *I* saw it recently, I didn't know how fresh it was in everyone else's mind here.

--Patrick

I can't speak for everyone else's mind since Dave kicked me out of the hive-link, but my wife adores that movie, and even when I first saw it and didn't like it as much as I do now, the first point where Pitch speaks, I thought, "Wow, they told him to really sex up that villain voice."

Sep 1, 2014#20

PatrThom

Zero Esc said:
the first point where Pitch speaks, I thought, "Wow, they told him to really sex up that villain voice."

They actually call out in the "behind the scenes" stuff, that they were not prepared for how "beautiful" Jude Law's voice would be.

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#21

ThatNickGuy

I looked at them. I even posted a link to them all in the NSFW subforum. But then my guilty conscience surged and I deleted it. Dave's right. It's a huge invasion of privacy. There's nothing wrong with these women taking sexy or nude pictures, but they were for PRIVATE eyes. Not private eyes in the Dill sense, mind you.

But yeah, now I just feel bad about the whole situation. Hell, I even said something like "Well, they should've taken the pictures in the first place." But someone I follow on Twitter put it perfectly: that's the internet equivilant of saying "she shouldn't have worn something that revealing."

Sep 1, 2014#22

Hylian

I must admit I did look at a few but as I started to look at them I got a strong sense of guilt. I just felt super creepy like I was peering into a part of a person's life that I wasn't supposed to see. So I quickly clicked out and refused to look at anymore.

Sep 1, 2014#23

GasBandit

Well here's one I know you all were dying to see-

Sep 1, 2014#24

Mathias

stienman said:
At the moment no one is certain that it's an iCloud hack. That's merely the most likely reason.

Further, "hack" would likely be overstating it. The data, including photos, are encrypted in transit and on the iCloud servers. You have to know the user's apple account username (email, easy to get) and password (often the same password they use on less secure services which have suffered data breaches).

One of the downsides of the cloud. A reason to use two factor authentication when available, though apple hasn't done this yet.

It's possible that this comes from a more serious breach or breaking of iCloud. Time will tell. But the breaches that have been occurring since the SSL fix all seem to be simple knowledge of account credentials.

Use different passwords for each service you use. Use strong passwords. Use two factor authentication where possible. Don't store anything in the cloud that you consider particularly sensitive, or can't afford to lose.

I can barely remember my street address most days, let alone 10 different strong passwords.

Sep 1, 2014#25

Hailey Knight

GasBandit said:
Well here's one I know you all were dying to see-

What the fuuuuuuuuuuuck[DOUBLEPOST=1409584131,1409584018][/DOUBLEPOST]

Mathias said:
I can barely remember my street address most days, let alone 10 different strong passwords.

Use song lyrics with a couple numbers at the end.

Also, for unimportant sites, I think it's okay to use a same password between them. The crucial stuff is where you need something unique to that one, like primary email, a site you regularly buy stuff from, etc.

Sep 1, 2014#26

PatrThom

stienman said:
use two factor authentication when available, though apple hasn't done this yet.

2FA is available, but only to protect the use of the account itself (logging into the website, changing personal info, or associating new devices with the account). It is not used to directly encrypt any of that content (except possibly in transit).

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#27

bhamv3

Mathias said:
I can barely remember my street address most days, let alone 10 different strong passwords.

For lots of sites, I pretty much have to reset my password every time I want to use them. Can't remember them at all.

I understand the danger of reusing passwords, but I really hate having to reset my passwords constantly.

Sep 1, 2014#28

HowDroll

Mathias said:
I can barely remember my street address most days, let alone 10 different strong passwords.

https://lastpass.com/

Started using it after I got hacked last year. Haven't had any problems since.

Sep 1, 2014#29

Mathias

HowDroll said:
https://lastpass.com/

Started using it after I got hacked last year. Haven't had any problems since.

What? I don't recall any boob pictures! I demand you submit all the ... evidence... yeah... yeah that's the ticket...

Sep 1, 2014#30

HowDroll

Mathias said:
What? I don't recall any boob pictures! I demand you submit all the ... evidence... yeah... yeah that's the ticket...

Sep 1, 2014#31

Espy

1Password. All about 1Password. https://agilebits.com/onepassword

Sep 1, 2014#32

GasBandit

Thought I read something recently about those password saver sites themselves getting hacked.

Sep 1, 2014#33

Dave

HowDroll said:

How the fuck did you get my flappy hootie shots?!?

Sep 1, 2014#34

blotsfan

Dave, please. They haven't been that perky since long before color photos were invented.

Sep 1, 2014#35

Hailey Knight

GasBandit said:
Thought I read something recently about those password saver sites themselves getting hacked.

That was my first thought.

Sep 1, 2014#36

figmentPez

There are a lot of names floating around as part of this leak. A shocking number. Any idea if this is limited to celebrities, or are a lot of unknowns going to start appearing on amateur sites and such with no credit, no names, and possibly never know they've been shown to the world?

Sep 1, 2014#37

Espy

GasBandit said:
Thought I read something recently about those password saver sites themselves getting hacked.

I'm not worried. https://learn2.agilebits.com/1Password4/Security/1P4-security-changes.html

Sep 1, 2014#38

Hailey Knight

stienman said:
http://venturebeat.com/2014/09/01/h...tential-access-to-celebrities-private-photos/

The service that runs find my iPhone did not have basic brute force protections in place, allowing relatively simple brute force programs to guess passwords as long as you knew the account email.

This vulnerability was found and distributed within the last week or two, so it's likely that this was used for this attack, and that it wasn't a more general attack on non celebrities.

No one wants our HalfNudes.

Sep 1, 2014#39

Dave

They think this may have happened at the Emmys. Apparently there's an unsecured wi-fi connection for anyone to use there, and a vulnerability that allowed someone to use this connection to gain access to anyone's account that was using the iPhone or an iCloud device.

Purely conjecture at this point, though it seems likely to have had such a range of access.

Sep 1, 2014#40

HCGLNS

Zero Esc said:
Now just waiting on Donald Sutherland nudes.

They exist, if you have the courage and strength to find them.

Sep 1, 2014#41

Hailey Knight

I've probably seen more than I need to from the '70s Invasion of the Body Snatchers when I was a kid.

Sep 1, 2014#42

Just Me

Zero Esc said:
I've probably seen more than I need to from the '70s Invasion of the Body Snatchers when I was a kid.

Not to forget a nice view on his back in Animal House!

Sep 1, 2014#43

Thread Necromancer

figmentPez said:
There are a lot of names floating around as part of this leak. A shocking number. Any idea if this is limited to celebrities, or are a lot of unknowns going to start appearing on amateur sites and such with no credit, no names, and possibly never know they've been shown to the world?

this post coupled with your avatar adds a real air of concern and worry.... like we should be worried about stumbling onto figmentPez amateur porn....

Sep 1, 2014#44

Hailey Knight

Thread Necromancer said:
this post coupled with your avatar adds a real air of concern and worry.... like we should be worried about stumbling onto figmentPez amateur porn....

Nothing but jester cap and a screaming, awkward expression.

Sep 1, 2014#45

PatrThom

Dave said:
They think this may have happened at the Emmys. Apparently there's an unsecured wi-fi connection for anyone to use there, and a vulnerability that allowed someone to use this connection to gain access to anyone's account that was using the iPhone or an iCloud device.

http://www.wallofsheep.com/pages/wall-of-sheep

Many connections (such as iCloud, web banking, many email providers, etc) use https at a minimum as the default, so these would not be affected. However, there's no guarantee that the attendees were practicing "safe computing" while they were attending the festivities, which would've likely at least leaked their email addresses, allowing someone to start the brute force process.

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#46

Mathias

HowDroll said:

Sep 1, 2014#47

PatrThom

If you include the signature, it even has the post-cigarette.

--Patrick

Sep 1, 2014#48

D

Dan Lacey

Sep 1, 2014#49

bhamv3

Dan Lacey said:

... I nominate this for "most awesome first post ever".

Now excuse me, I need to inject Clorox into my retinas.

Sep 1, 2014#50

Ravenpoe

Dan Lacey said:

Sep 1, 2014#51

BErt

bhamv3 said:
... I nominate this for "most awesome first post ever".

Second.

bhamv3 said:
Now excuse me, I need to inject Clorox into my retinas.

Second.

Sep 1, 2014#52

figmentPez

I wonder if any of these actresses could sue for lost wages. They likely could have gotten more money for their first nude appearance, if these photos hadn't been leaked.

Sep 1, 2014#53

Hailey Knight

That'd be interesting, but unless one of them had an upcoming project of that nature, it'd be hard to prove in court.

Sep 2, 2014#54

GasBandit

"Who the heck is this 'Four chan' guy anyway?"

Sep 2, 2014#55

fade

Dan Lacey said:

Sep 2, 2014#56

drifter

Nice flapjacks. :unibrow:

Sep 2, 2014#57

GasBandit

Sep 2, 2014#58

PatrThom

GasBandit said:

Dammit, I was going to post that hours ago, but had to upgrade my Minecraft server and three clients to pacify my family, install MCEdit for my wife, and fix my father-in-law's sister's iPad, all before Noon on my day off.

Wait, this isn't the rant thread?

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#59

GasBandit

Nailed it.

Sep 2, 2014#60

Bowielee

Well, I think we can officially tie this to the female sexual harassment thread.

Sep 2, 2014#61

Cheesy1

What an incredibly accurate summation of most of the internet, 4chan. Stay classy.

Sep 2, 2014#62

Necronic

This whole thig is interesting on a lot of levels, and has made me have to re-evaluate a lot of stuff. Honestly, I really don know how I feel about this.

My first inclination was to get on board with the whole "this is so incredibly wrong!" shtick. Then I started really wondering what Jennifer Lawrence looked like naked, and I think I tried to rationalize looking at it.

Then I ran across a reddit post talking about whether or not this will start a conversation about candid pornography. Large amounts of the amatuer porn on the internet either gives no reason to believe there is no consent in the posting, or actively promotes the idea that there *isnt* consent (like those "revenge porn" sites). Ironically, the latter usually has consent and is just a gimmick, but there is a LOT of amatuer porn out there that does not have consent.

Thing is, I enjoy amatuer porn. Not because it doesn't have consent, I just like real amatuer stuff.

So it begs the question. Is it worse that if it's a celebrity or a nobody? Why? Does that even matter? If not, why weren't we talkin about this before?

Because let's be honest, while the scope of this leak is unprecedented, conceptually it's nt that different from paparazzi sites or celebrity sex tapes that have been leaked before. Lots of people actually used the Ke$ha pics as an excuse to call her a nasty slag.

Anyways. This whole thing has been weird for me, because all of what I said may seem like an argument for it being ok for me to look at JLaws funbags, but they are also an argument for me giving up all the amatuer porn I like. I just don't know which way to go with this.

If it had just been one celebrity would it have been easier to ignore?

I still haven't looked at the pics yet....but I probably will. I think it's good that the conversation is happening though, and I hope it goes beyond a conversation lamenting the plight of these celebrities, who, while they have absolutely been violated, are a very small drop in a very large bucket of non-consensual amatuer porn.

Ed: maybe it's like the Freddy Mercury/Rock Hudson thing. Even if there are lots of victims, celebrities being victimized helps spread awareness. So maybe, in a weird way, there's a silver lining.

Sep 2, 2014#63

Bowielee

I think there is a real discussion to be had, and this ties a lot into the ongoing discussions we've been having regarding women, sexism, and privilege.

I won't rehash the whole thing, but this is really wrong any way you slice it. Even if it's not because of the pornographic nature, I think we can all agree that having ANY person pictures or info stolen from your computer is a violation. Imagine that this wasn't naked pictures of these celebrities, but rather their personal email addresses. I don't think anyone would have a problem calling that wrong, but there would still be people who would be tempted to go ahead and use those personal emails for whatever reason that you would want to, even if your intent isn't malicious, you're still exploiting a violation of someone's privacy and that's wrong, ethically and legally if not morally.

I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there will be people who use this and have no issue with it. People do stuff that's wrong all the time. I, for instance, "procure" quite a bit of television, and I don't feel the slightest bit bad about it, even though I know that it is wrong.

My biggest issue is that people are going to use all sorts of justifications. If you want to JO to pictures of Jennifer Lawrence, knock yourself out, just don't try to justify it under any cloak of vindication because there's really none to be had.

Sep 2, 2014#64

Necronic

No, there's definitely no justification. And honestly, I looked at a couple and...meh. I mean, I don't see the draw from the viewer angle. Maybe if I was younger, I dunno. But porn is so god damned prolific and specific these days, what in the world do I get out of a still of a celebrity?

As a side question, and I REALLY want to be clear that i am not blaming the victim here, but I am really surprised so many of the have nude pics on their phones. Is this a common thing for people to do?

I took a picture of my ball sack and sent it to my brother once, but that's about it.

...Oh actually I do have a sex tape. If anyone has seen Bad Neighbours there's that scene where Seth Rogan is on top of his wife and his fat rolls are everywhere, that's what my video looks like. It's not great. I should probably delete it,

Sep 2, 2014#65

Bowielee

To quote Willam Belli from RuPaul's Drag race:

"Never look on a gay man's phone unless you want to see some dick, because there will always be some on there."

Sep 2, 2014#66

Ravenpoe

Bowielee said:
To quote Willam Belli from RuPaul's Drag race:

"Never look on a gay man's phone unless you want to see some dick, because there will always be some on there."

This is very true. An actual reaction I've had upon borrowing a friend's phone. "... WHY IS IT THE WALLPAPER?"

Sep 2, 2014#67

Dave

The thing is, though, that these people didn't send it to anyone or even try and make the pictures remotely public. The Apple iCloud backup thing just kinda takes it upon itself to update and put the stuff in the cloud and you'd THINK that they'd have had a bit better security. This is about the same as going into someone's house and rifling through their stuff to see what you can find. It's theft and harassment, plain and simple. You can dress it up all you want but this is just awful. And the comments...Jesus Christ. Who gives a damn if the girl wants to take sexy pictures of herself for her boyfriend or husband? It's none of your damned business.

Sep 2, 2014#68

Dave

Okay, I know what side of this I'm on, but this was funny. From the New Yorker.

Sep 2, 2014#69

PatrThom

Hmm. Do you blame the locks for not being tough enough, or the thieves for not respecting the boundary? At what point does it become appropriate to violate the guardianship of any recognizeable* means of protection, simply because it is so flimsy? Is there such a thing as a lock or other method of protection which, instead of advertising "keep out," instead acts all sultry and says, "you want what's behind me, you need to tear me away right now and see what I'm hiding."

This might sound like a thought experiment (and it is, somewhat), but it has real-world relevance, especially as regards things like WiFi WEP encryption or the DMCA, since apparently, in order to prove to a court that you were intentionally trying to protect a thing, you have to demonstrate that bypassing your protection method must be non-trivial (i.e., ROT13 or the like). Also, there is then the question of whether the thing needed (or even deserved) to be protected in the first place (DRM, etc).

--Patrick
*As in, "It is obvious to anyone that this thing is here in order to restrict access to something."

Sep 2, 2014#70

Dave

Thieves.

*whew* That was an easy question.

Sep 2, 2014#71

Bubble181

Necronic, I don't know entirely what you should do, but you should definitely learn how to spell your favorite porn category

Sep 2, 2014#72

PatrThom

stienman said:
the reality is that these celebrities are very careful who they hand out their phone number to. They are careful to protect their privacy in a variety of ways that the average person doesn't. They've seen and heard of data breaches in the news, and they've no doubt known individuals in their line of work who's privacy was violated through phone or internet or computer hacking. Maybe this is still surprising to many of them. It's not their fault, but you can bet they are going to change their behavior to reduce their exposure to this type of attack.

This is how the usual immune response works. There is a breach of some sort, a defense is mounted and deployed, and further breaches are therefore mitigated. It sucks for those caught up in the initial breach, but their sacrifice ensures the safety of the rest.

stienman said:
Apple and other device makers will beef up their security significantly, because celebrities hold a lot of sway in the advertising of such products. Even if the device makers can't be blamed, you can be sure they'll attempt to set people at ease, or tout their security features in the face of competitors obvious failures.

They'd better, since they've already suggested they're moving to a model where all your photos are stored online by default.

Charlie Don't Surf said:
re: the fappening... you ever wonder why there's no celeb dick pics leaked yet??? hum.....

No, I don't wonder this at all. It's the same reason there aren't any nude photos leaked of Queen Elizabeth, Joan Rivers, or Shirley MacLaine. I mean, they're all women, and that means their nudie pictures should be in rabid demand, right? Unfortunately for them, this is probably not the case.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#73

Necronic

Bubble181 said:
Necronic, I don't know entirely what you should do, but you should definitely learn how to spell your favorite porn category

Yeah, this has honestly caused problems for me (on some sites things will be tagged by the incorrect spelling, but only a few of them, so I'll always be surprised and try to figure out why there are so few videos.)

Also after asking my fiancé if she had heard of this we quickly decided we needed a new sex tape. I don't think we're really receiving the right message from this.

Sep 2, 2014#74

PatrThom

Necronic said:
Yeah, this has honestly caused problems for me (on some sites things will be tagged by the incorrect spelling, but only a few of them, so I'll always be surprised and try to figure out why there are so few videos.)

Also after asking my fiancé if she had heard of this we quickly decided we needed a new sex tape. I don't think we're really receiving the right message from this.

Well, if you're looking for a cinematographer or someone to edit...

...you should look elsewhere.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#75

sixpackshaker

PatrThom said:
No, I don't wonder this at all. It's the same reason there aren't any nude photos leaked of Queen Elizabeth, Joan Rivers, or Shirley MacLaine. I mean, they're all women, and that means their nudie pictures should be in rabid demand, right? Unfortunately for them, this is probably not the case.

--Patrick

Hey if they find pics of those ladies when they were under 30... especially Shirley, there will be a ton of money to be made.

For the Queen, there were blackmail pics of her sister 50 years ago.

Sep 2, 2014#76

Mathias

Ok, this pissed me off. Reddit was donating towards Prostate Cancer research as a joke to "atone" for the sub /r/thefappening.

They get this response from the Prostate Cancer Foundation: http://imgur.com/DpJoOcH

Perfectly justifiable response.

There are people pissed off and concluding that the PCF finds celebrities more important than cancer! http://www.reddit.com/r/TheFappenin...ate_cancer_foundation_returns_donations_from/

NO! YOU DUMB FUCKING IDIOTS! NO! Of course they can't accept that money, it's a breach in science ethics 101. You might as well fucking claim data from the Tuskegee experiments, use stolen money, mafia/drug cartel money, or say Josef Mengele's research is admissible. That is not how it works, you dumb fuck basement dwelling retards!

Edit. So I made a comment in the main post about this. Seems like OP is in high school. Ah well.

Sep 2, 2014#77

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
The thing is, though, that these people didn't send it to anyone or even try and make the pictures remotely public. The Apple iCloud backup thing just kinda takes it upon itself to update and put the stuff in the cloud and you'd THINK that they'd have had a bit better security. This is about the same as going into someone's house and rifling through their stuff to see what you can find. It's theft and harassment, plain and simple. You can dress it up all you want but this is just awful. And the comments...Jesus Christ. Who gives a damn if the girl wants to take sexy pictures of herself for her boyfriend or husband? It's none of your damned business.

I think some people are making the mistake of filing this alongside posting pics on the web and getting upset when they start being distributed from there. And that's not at all what's happened here. I would view it like this:

If you walk around naked in your house, with the blinds open in full daylight, you maybe shouldn't be upset if your neighbors see you. But you can totally be upset if someone breaks down your door to peep at you in the shower.

Sep 2, 2014#78

Dave

Ravenpoe said:
I think some people are making the mistake of filing this alongside posting pics on the web and getting upset when they start being distributed from there. And that's not at all what's happened here. I would view it like this:

If you walk around naked in your house, with the blinds open in full daylight, you maybe shouldn't be upset if your neighbors see you. But you can totally be upset if someone breaks down your door to peep at you in the shower.

No, it's like someone opened the blinds themselves without your knowing it. Bad analogy! Bad! These women did NOTHING to allow this to happen.

Sep 2, 2014#79

PatrThom

Dave said:
No, it's like someone opened the blinds themselves without your knowing it.

Yes. You had the blinds closed, but someone discovered they could reach the cord with a simple coat hanger and pull it...and then they pulled it.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#80

Dave

PatrThom said:
Yes. You had the blinds closed, but someone discovered they could reach the cord with a simple coat hanger and pull it...and then they pulled it.

--Patrick

Which is still a complete intrusion into your privacy. Jesus Christ, people, quit trying to blame the girls!

Sep 2, 2014#81

PatrThom

Dave said:
Which is still a complete intrusion into your privacy.

I was actually agreeing with you. I don't blame the girls for it at all. If anything, they are merely an "attractive nuisance."

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#82

Bowielee

PatrThom said:
I was actually agreeing with you. I don't blame the girls for it at all. If anything, they are merely an "attractive nuisance."

--Patrick

Uh, you're totally disagreeing with him if you're using that tort. By citing that, you're saying that having private nude pictures of themselves in existence makes them ultimately responsible for people wanting to hack their stuff to get it.

I'd reword your response.

Sep 2, 2014#83

Dave

Bullshit. Because they are good looking it's reasonable to think that people will do this? Again, that is placing the blame on them.

Sep 2, 2014#84

Bowielee

Dave said:
Bullshit. Because they are good looking it's reasonable to think that people will do this? Again, that is placing the blame on them.

I'm hoping it was just a bad analogy on his part.

Sep 2, 2014#85

PatrThom

Bowielee said:
I'd reword your response.

~~The celebrity pictures were the "attractive nuisance" in question that encouraged people to hack iCloud. Apple would be the one liable, if anyone, according to that tort.~~

Better, edited version below. Read that one. Nothing to see here...

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#86

Bowielee

PatrThom said:
The celebrity pictures were the "attractive nuisance" in question that encouraged people to hack iCloud. Apple would be the one liable, if anyone, according to that tort.

--Patrick

You do realize that you're literally objectifying women with that example, right

Sep 2, 2014#87

GasBandit

Dave's not gonna rest until he can take SOMEONE to task for blaming the women!

Sep 2, 2014#88

Bowielee

I still hold that it's a terrible analogy.

Sep 2, 2014#89

Mathias

GasBandit said:
Dave's not gonna rest until he can take SOMEONE to task for blaming the women!

UUUNNNIOOONN???

WOOOOOMMMMMMEEEEEENNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sep 2, 2014#90

Bowielee

OK, the main reason that the attractive nuisance is a horrible example is because the owner of the object and the object itself are still the women, placing the blame on them for being so damn alluring that the poor weak men (equated in this example as children who don't know any better) that they can't help themselves but trample all over someone else's property.

And I guess the injury would be from masturbation cramps?

I get what PatrThom is really trying to say, I think. I believe he's putting the fault on the security breach itself, not the original owner of the content.

Sep 2, 2014#91

PatrThom

Reworded.

The celebrity pictures were the "attractive nuisance" in question that encouraged people to hack iCloud. Apple would be the one liable, if anyone, if that tort applied. However, if you read the doctrine, blame shifts from the trespassers to the landowner ONLY IF certain conditions are met, chief among them being that there has to be a reasonable expectation that the trespassers are either ignorant of or unable to comprehend that what they are doing is wrong. I do not believe the trespassers would pass that test, in this case.
[DOUBLEPOST=1409709394,1409709315][/DOUBLEPOST]

Bowielee said:
You do realize that you're literally objectifying women with that example, right

No, I'm objectifying their photographs. Which are...um, objects. And I'm placing blame on the breachers, not the breachees. It's really hard to say whether Apple or the celebrities are the "victims" in this case, since technically both were violated.

I'm kind of reminded of the Maginot Line, in a way. The perpetrators did not attack the celebrities directly, instead they did so through a weakened intermediary.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#92

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
Reworded.

The celebrity pictures were the "attractive nuisance" in question that encouraged people to hack iCloud. Apple would be the one liable, if anyone, if that tort applied. However, if you read the doctrine, blame shifts from the trespassers to the landowner ONLY IF certain conditions are met, chief among them being that there has to be a reasonable expectation that the trespassers are either ignorant of or unable to comprehend that what they are doing is wrong. I do not believe they would pass that test, in this case.

--Patrick[DOUBLEPOST=1409709394,1409709315][/DOUBLEPOST]
No, I'm objectifying their photographs. Which are...objects.

--Patrick

You need to drop the "attractive nuisance" bit. The term's definition makes it explicitly fault the owner of the item in question.

Sep 2, 2014#93

Bowielee

PatrThom said:
Reworded.

The celebrity pictures were the "attractive nuisance" in question that encouraged people to hack iCloud. Apple would be the one liable, if anyone, if that tort applied. However, if you read the doctrine, blame shifts from the trespassers to the landowner ONLY IF certain conditions are met, chief among them being that there has to be a reasonable expectation that the trespassers are either ignorant of or unable to comprehend that what they are doing is wrong. I do not believe the trespassers would pass that test, in this case.
[DOUBLEPOST=1409709394,1409709315][/DOUBLEPOST]
No, I'm objectifying their photographs. Which are...um, objects. And I'm placing blame on the breachers, not the breachees. It's really hard to say whether Apple or the celebrities are the "victims" in this case, since technically both were violated.

I'm kind of reminded of the Maginot Line, in a way. The perpetrators did not attack the celebrities directly, instead they did so through a weakened intermediary.

--Patrick

Regardless of how they obtained the photos, the intended attack is on the celebrity.

Sep 2, 2014#94

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
You need to drop the "attractive nuisance" bit. The term's definition makes it explicitly fault the owner of the item in question.

Possessor, not owner, and only if certain tests are met, yes.

The five conditions are:

The place where the condition exists is one on which the possessor knows or has reason to know that children are likely to trespass, and

The condition is one of which the possessor knows or has reason to know and which he realizes or should realize will involve an unreasonable risk of death or serious bodily harm to such children, and

The children, because of their youth, do not discover the condition or realize the risk involved in inter-meddling with it or in coming within the area made dangerous by it, and

The utility to the possessor of maintaining the condition and the burden of eliminating the danger are slight as compared with the risk to children involved, and

The possessor fails to exercise reasonable care to eliminate the danger or otherwise to protect the children

The test fails spectacularly on points 3 and 5, and also 2 if you want to get literal on the "bodily harm" part.
Also, not all of my analogies can be gold. It's obvious that I'm relating situational mechanics and not actually stating that the doctrine should literally apply any more than I'm stating that said photos were protected behind actual pre-WWII fortifications.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#95

Frank

https://twitter.com/DaveSFoley/status/506984294028685312

Dave Foley mirrors how I feel, except way funnier.

Sep 2, 2014#96

PatrThom

Bowielee said:
Regardless of how they obtained the photos, the intended attack is on the celebrity.

Yes, and John Hinckley, Jr. was still charged with the shooting of James Brady and his two buddies even though the attack was technically supposed to be "only" on President Reagan.

Honestly, I wonder if I'm just not explaining my thoughts well enough, if the issue is just too emotionally active to have a rational discussion about it, or whether I'm just sailing way over people's heads. This must be how @GasBandit feels.

--Patrick

Sep 2, 2014#97

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
No, it's like someone opened the blinds themselves without your knowing it. Bad analogy! Bad! These women did NOTHING to allow this to happen.

I feel like you didn't read all of my post? My analogy was someone breaking down your door to watch you shower.

Sep 2, 2014#98

Dave

Ravenpoe said:
I feel like you didn't read all of my post? My analogy was someone breaking down your door to watch you shower.

I saw that part, but the window part was more apt to me.

Sep 2, 2014#99

Hailey Knight

I don't think this needs so much philosophizing to figure out who's in the wrong. It's not complicated.

Sep 2, 2014#100

Ravenpoe

Dave said:
I saw that part, but the window part was more apt to me.

But that's the part I said wasn't happening....

Ravenpoe said:
I think some people are making the mistake of filing this alongside posting pics on the web and getting upset when they start being distributed from there. And that's not at all what's happened here.

The window analogy was an example of that, whereas the break-in is what was actually happening.

Geeze Dave, reading comprehension

Sep 2, 2014#101

Hailey Knight

It's not his fault; letters look weird to him when they're not carved in slate.

Sep 3, 2014#102

Charlie Don't Surf

I guess I'm not surprised, but this thread is pretty much male privilege 101

Sep 3, 2014#103

Hailey Knight

Because no one wants Donald Sutherland nudes?

Sep 3, 2014#104

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I guess I'm not surprised, but this thread is pretty much male privilege 101

Ugh. If anyone ever needed a punch to the face - square in the nose - it's you.

shut up Charlie.

Sep 3, 2014#105

DarkAudit

A? Just a?

Sep 3, 2014#106

ThatNickGuy

DarkAudit said:
A? Just a?

Sep 3, 2014#107

Mathias

DarkAudit said:
A? Just a?

Are you kidding? Charlie would fold like a lawn chair and cry in a fetal position for 3 hours before calling the militant police that he so despises and proceed to call a lawyer to sue. He'd then blog about male aggression and feminist theory in his Tumblr account for days - wagging his finger on how the puncher should go to prison because that sort of violence has no place in society, before the lawyer called him back and told him to grow a pair.

Actually, it'd be hilarious if it was a black woman that would punch Charlie. I don't think he'd know what to do. "Male privilege...white privilege....oh... oh God... Contradictions. I.. deserve this." I think it'd break his brain.

Sep 3, 2014#108

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I guess I'm not surprised, but this thread is pretty much male privilege 101

You're right. There's nobody sticking up for the women at all. Only most of us.

Sep 3, 2014#109

Charlie Don't Surf

Dave said:
You're right. There's nobody sticking up for the women at all. Only most of us.

I never said that

Sep 3, 2014#110

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I never said that

You seemed to be throwing the whole thread under the same umbrella.

Sep 3, 2014#111

Charlie Don't Surf

the bad posts in this thread, and the incident in question, and the response at large on the internet is male privilege 101.

Sorry, Dave, I actually do think you're doing good posting on this topic.

Sep 3, 2014#112

Mathias

Are you on crack? Where has anyone in this thread condoned this? You are such a fucking Weiner.

Sep 3, 2014#113

HowDroll

Those sluts should have thought twice before they decided to grow a pair of tits and a vagina. They got exactly what they deserved.

Sluts.

Sep 3, 2014#114

Mathias

HowDroll said:
Those sluts should have thought twice before they decided to grow a pair of tits and a vagina. They got exactly what they deserved.

Sluts.

Stop flaunting your male privilege! You're hurting my feewings

Sep 3, 2014#115

HowDroll

Mathias said:
Stop flaunting your male privilege! You're hurting my feewings

Sep 3, 2014#116

Charlie Don't Surf

Mathias said:
Where has anyone in this thread condoned this?

nowhere. I also never said "people in this thread condoned this"[DOUBLEPOST=1409750923,1409750671][/DOUBLEPOST]I also don't appreciate you using gendered insults like "weiner"

Sep 3, 2014#117

HowDroll

@Mathias, stop oppressing Charlie.

This entire thread is turning into one giant #triggerwarning.

Sep 3, 2014#118

Bowielee

Is anyone else finding it hard to tell which of HowDroll's posts are meant to be sarcastic?

Sep 3, 2014#119

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
nowhere. I also never said "people in this thread condoned this"[DOUBLEPOST=1409750923,1409750671][/DOUBLEPOST]I also don't appreciate you using gendered insults like "weiner"

That's fine. From here on out I dub you "Neutered Charlie".

Sep 3, 2014#120

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I guess I'm not surprised, but this thread is pretty much male privilege 101

Sep 3, 2014#121

Mathias

This thread exists solely because people in the forum created and replied to it. You are in fact making bullshit claims, as par the course for your post.

Its not that I don't like you because you're a candyass pussy. I don't like you because almost 100% of the content you post has no substance to it. You just spew talking points without actual meat to the topic. You are utterly uninteresting to talk to.

Sep 3, 2014#122

Charlie Don't Surf

Having testicles does not make you inherently stronger than someone that does not have testicles.

Sep 3, 2014#123

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Having testicles does not make you inherently stronger than someone that does not have testicles.

Whatever you say, Neutered Charlie.

Sep 3, 2014#124

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Having testicles does not make you inherently stronger than someone that does not have testicles.

On a statistical basis this is generally incorrect.

Sep 3, 2014#125

HowDroll

Sep 3, 2014#126

Dave

There are biological and physical differences between men and women. Pretending that this isn't so for the sake of equality is like sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALA!!!"[DOUBLEPOST=1409751766,1409751750][/DOUBLEPOST]Damn. Droll is on a roll today!

Sep 3, 2014#127

DarkAudit

HowDroll said:

Thanks, I needed that.

Sep 3, 2014#128

Charlie Don't Surf

Mathias said:
Whatever you say, Neutered Charlie.

you're acting like a 6 year old

Sep 3, 2014#129

HowDroll

Dave said:
There are biological and physical differences between men and women. Pretending that this isn't so for the sake of equality is like sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALA!!!"[DOUBLEPOST=1409751766,1409751750][/DOUBLEPOST]Damn. Droll is on a roll today!

I'm running very late for work, so I figure I might as well continue to sit here and snark at everyone.

Sep 3, 2014#130

Mathias

GasBandit said:
On a statistical basis this is generally incorrect.

Shhh Don't get him started on yet another boring and unoriginal tirade of 3rd wave feminism talking points.

Sep 3, 2014#131

Bowielee

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...hy-dont-naked-pictures-of-men-get-leaked.html

And now I'm kind of in the same boat. I wouldn't mind seeing Dave Franco's junk.

Sep 3, 2014#132

Charlie Don't Surf

Dave said:
There are biological and physical differences between men and women. Pretending that this isn't so for the sake of equality is like sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALA!!!

myyyyyy biooooooooooooootruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuths

Sep 3, 2014#133

DarkAudit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
you're acting like a 6 year old

Which makes him three times more mature than you.

Sep 3, 2014#134

Charlie Don't Surf

Bowielee said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...hy-dont-naked-pictures-of-men-get-leaked.html

And now I'm kind of in the same boat. I wouldn't mind seeing Dave Franco's junk.

have you seen "Neighbors"?

Sep 3, 2014#135

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
you're acting like a 6 year old

Good. Then I'm at the correct depth level of conversation with you.

Mile wide and an inch deep. That's you. Puddle Charlie.

Sep 3, 2014#136

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
myyyyyy biooooooooooooootruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuths

You can mock all you want, doesn't make it any less true.

Sep 3, 2014#137

Charlie Don't Surf

DarkAudit said:
Which makes him three times more mature than you.

and texas has three times as much jobs, oxygen, and sunshine as west virginia

Sep 3, 2014#138

Adam

Didn't Justin Verlanders junk get posted in the leak too?

Sep 3, 2014#139

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
and texas has three times as much jobs, oxygen, and sunshine as west virginia

Go take a seat and have a nice long piss with your legs crossed, Neutered Charlie.

Sep 3, 2014#140

Charlie Don't Surf

Mathias said:
Go take a seat and have a nice long piss with your legs crossed, Neutered Charlie.

hahaha literally "you pee like a girl"

Sep 3, 2014#141

Bowielee

The lock is strong with this thread.

Sep 3, 2014#142

HowDroll

Charlie Don't Surf said:
hahaha literally "you pee like a girl"

I don't pee with my legs crossed.

Sep 3, 2014#143

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
hahaha literally "you pee like a girl"

Oh, Neutered Charlie. You made a puddle on the floor again. What other hollow points would you like to make today? So many face value topics..

Sep 3, 2014#144

BErt

Adam said:
Didn't Justin Verlanders junk get posted in the leak too?

I was just going to say this, yes. I'm guessing he wasn't on "the list" since he wasn't a Hollywood name.

Sep 3, 2014#145

HowDroll

BErt said:
I was just going to say this, yes. I'm guessing he wasn't on "the list" since he wasn't a Hollywood name.

It's because Kate Upton is his girlfriend and she was the actual target. Justin Verlanders was just a casualty.

Sep 3, 2014#146

GasBandit

HowDroll said:
It's because Kate Upton is his girlfriend and she was the actual target. Justin Verlanders was just a casualty.

Collateral junkage?

Sep 3, 2014#147

Mathias

HowDroll said:
It's because Kate Upton is his girlfriend and she was the actual target. Justin Verlanders was just a casualty.

Did he make any statements about this whole fiasco?

Sep 3, 2014#148

Dave

Okay, people, let's get back on track here and away from the personal insults and bullshit.

Sep 3, 2014#149

Mathias

I thought we were? I'm fine as long as I don't have to encounter more of N.C.'s pretentious, know nothing vapid comments.

I suggest he starts reading more than headlines from Salon and Huffington Post if he wants to have big boy conversations.

Sep 3, 2014#150

Adam

Wasn't it his phone that was hacked though? Wouldn't that make him the target and her the casualty?

Sep 3, 2014#151

GasBandit

Check out THESE nude photos.

More here

Sep 3, 2014#152

HowDroll

Adam said:
Wasn't it his phone that was hacked though? Wouldn't that make him the target and her the casualty?

I'm sure that hacker was totally dying to see Verlanders' junk and would have totally broken into his phone if he were dating someone who was not a very famous supermodel/actress.

Sep 3, 2014#153

Mathias

HowDroll said:
I'm sure that hacker was totally dying to see Verlanders' junk and would have totally broken into his phone if he were dating someone who was not a very famous supermodel/actress.

Whoa there! Calling Kate Upton an 'actress' is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

Sep 3, 2014#154

Terrik

Mathias said:
Whoa there! Calling Kate Upton an 'actress' is a bit of a stretch isn't it?

She was in a movie? Kinda? I dunno. The bar for what one needs to be considered an actor/actress seems to be ever lower.

Sep 3, 2014#155

Mathias

Was she the eye candy in that Adam Sandler movie with Jen Aniston?

Edit: nope. That was some other swim suit model. I've never seen any of the three movies featuring Upton.

Sep 3, 2014#156

Terrik

Mathias said:
Was she the eye candy in that Adam Sandler movie with Jen Aniston?

She was in "The Other Woman" (2014)

Sep 3, 2014#157

Dave

Mathias said:
I thought we were? I'm fine as long as I don't have to encounter more of N.C.'s pretentious, know nothing vapid comments.

I suggest he starts reading more than headlines from Salon and Huffington Post if he wants to have big boy conversations.

I was a page back when I posted that and it went to the end. So slow on the red font posting today![DOUBLEPOST=1409757214,1409757101][/DOUBLEPOST]

Mathias said:
Was she the eye candy in that Adam Sandler movie with Jen Aniston?

Edit: nope. That was some other swim suit model. I've never seen any of the three movies featuring Upton.

Brooklyn Decker.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2395937/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

Sep 3, 2014#158

PatrThom

Bowielee said:
Is anyone else finding it hard to tell which of HowDroll's posts are meant to be sarcastic?

I've had nights like that. Up for 18hrs, little to no sleep, and the dampers on the sarcastic part of your brain start to break down and out will come the bitterest, most acerbic content, like cold-pressed extra virgin olive oil mixed with chalk dust and vinegar.

--Patrick

Sep 3, 2014#159

fade

Hey, that would be fizzy. The calcite and vinegar would react.

Anyway, it's probably another reminder to set a good password. Rainbow tables still work really well. Especially against things that don't lock you out.

This is a fun read.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/a_really_good_a.html

Sep 3, 2014#160

PatrThom

fade said:
Hey, that would be fizzy. The calcite and vinegar would react.

I'm kind of curious as to how it would taste.
Not curious enough to try it, of course.

--Patrick

Sep 3, 2014#161

Charlie Don't Surf

That is all so fucking gross.

Sep 3, 2014#162

Hailey Knight

You know, Charlie, maybe people wouldn't have reacted that way if you explained what you meant by your terminology, because I think they all took it as if you said "male entitlement 101". Why not try to educate so you can make a positive influence on your cause?

I hate the SJW shit I see on Tumblr where they say "It's not my job to inform; I'm here because I'm angry and I'm not gonna take it!" Yeah, good luck out in the world where no one knows what the SJW is fucking on about and the people who would've been on their side are turned into enemies because of the little tantrums. People like that only cause more problems; they don't solve them.

Sep 3, 2014#163

PatrThom

It feels good to rage. Catharsis can be a healing experience.
But the only change it effects is in yourself.

--Patrick

Sep 3, 2014#164

GasBandit

Zero Esc said:
I hate the SJW shit I see on Tumblr where they say "It's not my job to inform; I'm here because I'm angry and I'm not gonna take it!" Yeah, good luck out in the world where no one knows what the SJW is fucking on about and the people who would've been on their side are turned into enemies because of the little tantrums. People like that only cause more problems; they don't solve them.

Tumblr feminist vs actual feminist -

(Christina Hoff Sommers is a notable feminist author and academic often attacked because of her criticism of post-20th century feminism, author of the Time article steinman posted in the harrasment thread)

Sep 3, 2014#165

Adam

[TRIGGER WARNING: TUMBLR]!

Sep 3, 2014#166

Hailey Knight

Adam said:
[TRIGGER WARNING: TUMBLR]!

I did think that signature for the 4Chan letter was funny considering their mini-attack on Tumblr this summer.

Sep 3, 2014#167

figmentPez

PatrThom said:
It feels good to rage. Catharsis can be a healing experience.
But the only change it effects is in yourself.

--Patrick

Actually, psychologists are of mixed opinions at best on how well catharsis works. I'm pretty sure most say that it can be harmful to rely on catharsis to feel better.

Sep 3, 2014#168

Bowielee

figmentPez said:
Actually, psychologists are of mixed opinions at best on how well catharsis works. I'm pretty sure most say that it can be harmful to rely on catharsis to feel better.

This. Research is showing that catharsis may actually have the opposite effect that people think it does.

Sep 3, 2014#169

PatrThom

Bowielee said:
This. Research is showing that catharsis may actually have the opposite effect that people think it does.

Iiiinteresting.

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#170

Bubble181

No, not interesting. Because it means we get fewer cathartic moments, and those can be fun, dammit

(ok, yes, interesting, but booh)

Sep 4, 2014#171

DarkAudit

PatrThom said:
Iiiinteresting.

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#172

Dave

Whoa. A Laugh In reference?

Sep 4, 2014#173

PatrThom

DarkAudit said:

More like:

Also, how does anyone here besides me and Dave (and @Grytpipe-Thynne) know who Arte Johnson even is?
EDIT: I see @Dave weighed in while I was doing my screen grab...

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#174

jwhouk

I dunno. Ask Ruth Buzzi.

Sep 4, 2014#175

fade

@Grytpipe-Thynne would prefer a Keystone Cops reference.

Wait. I have one:

Keystone cops said:
.

Sep 4, 2014#176

PatrThom

fade said:
Wait. I have one:

That's more Harold Lloyd, but ok.

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#177

DarkAudit

Dave said:
Whoa. A Laugh In reference?

Sep 4, 2014#178

GasBandit

Makes me wonder what the next website will be to out-4chan 4chan.

Sep 4, 2014#179

PatrThom

5-chan?

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#180

GasBandit

Man, remember when portal of evil was a thing? When the Stile Project was the internet's primary concentration of scum and villainy?

On the other hand, who'd really be surprised if the DMCA notifaction forms on 4chan really forwarded to /dev/null?

Sep 4, 2014#181

PatrThom

stienman said:
Maybe they're just collecting them for laughs. Make a new sub that shows the last x DMCA requests received, allowing people to comment on and/or laugh at them.

It would be really cool if they did so, and then called out the ones that were obviously bogus and ignored them. I would enjoy seeing that.

--Patrick

Sep 4, 2014#182

Ravenpoe

stienman said:
Florida artist is showcasing these stolen photos in their exhibit, saying that since they aren't distributing the images, and they make up only a small portion of the total installation, then they don't fall afoul of copyright laws:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ce-kate-upton-to-be-showcased-at-art-gallery/

The real artistic performance here is how to jump on the hype train.

Sep 4, 2014#183

GasBandit

Sep 4, 2014#184

Charlie Don't Surf

wow, jezebel had a different take than normal gawker on a topic?!

Sep 4, 2014#185

fade

Yeah, CDS is right on this one. Jezebel ain't exactly a fair comparison there.

Sep 4, 2014#186

Tiger Tsang

GasBandit said:
Makes me wonder what the next website will be to out-4chan 4chan.

Considering most 4chan'ers . . . 4chins

Sep 4, 2014#187

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
wow, jezebel had a different take than normal gawker on a topic?!

It's all gawker, just wearing different hats/sock puppets.[DOUBLEPOST=1409859971,1409859864][/DOUBLEPOST](Meanwhile on Jalopnik) OMG 2016 MIATA OMG 2016 MIATA OMG 2016 MIATA OMG 2016 MIATA OMG 2016 MIATA

Sep 4, 2014#188

Charlie Don't Surf

I'm not going to champion Jezebel as a feminist utopia writer haven or anything, but they're at least purported as a feminist site. Come on, of course they might have a different view than normal Gawker.

Also I think the gross stuff about the hogan sex tape is wrong too, and also if you think about it / dig deep enough, it's also a result of the patriarchy!!!!

Sep 4, 2014#189

SpecialKO

Yeah, for all the cries of "Gawker Media Empire", Jezebel tends to run itself and has its own editorial bent.

Sep 4, 2014#190

GasBandit

I never want to hear any of you guys say stuff about "fox news" again then, for something you saw on Hannity.

Sep 4, 2014#191

SpecialKO

That's okay, Hannity like showing up on other Fox News shows as well.

Sep 4, 2014#192

figmentPez

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I'm not going to champion Jezebel as a feminist utopia writer haven or anything, but they're at least purported as a feminist site. Come on, of course they might have a different view than normal Gawker.

Yeah, Jezebel has their own special type of hypocrisy. Like congratulating women for physically assaulting their boyfriends.

Sep 4, 2014#193

GasBandit

Sep 4, 2014#194

CynicismKills

GasBandit said:
Makes me wonder what the next website will be to out-4chan 4chan.

Man there's hundreds of other -chans out there, some much worse than /b/. Excuse the Ecyclopedia Dramatica link: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/List_of_*chan_boards

Sep 5, 2014#195

WasabiPoptart

DarkAudit said:

omg my parents have/had that album! I used to love watching Laugh-in.

Sep 5, 2014#196

DarkAudit

WasabiPoptart said:
omg my parents have/had that album! I used to love watching Laugh-in.

My sister and I wore out our parents' copy when we were kids. Saw this one in Pittsburgh last fall and had to get it.

Slightly disconcerting to not hear the skips the old copy had. [emoji1]

Sep 5, 2014#197

Grytpipe-Thynne

Ah yes. Rowan & Martins laugh in. Interesting... But Stupid. Those were the days when American comedy programs were FUNNY.

Sep 5, 2014#198

Bowielee

Grytpipe-Thynne said:
Ah yes. Rowan & Martins laugh in. Interesting... But Stupid. Those were the days when American comedy programs were FUNNY.

Might I direct you to Parks and Recreation and Archer to refute your claim.

Sep 5, 2014#199

Dave

Grytpipe-Thynne said:
Ah yes. Rowan & Martins laugh in. Interesting... But Stupid. Those were the days when American comedy programs were FUNNY.

Ooh! I never get to use this one on someone else!

Sep 5, 2014#200

Celt Z

Dave said:
Ooh! I never get to use this one on someone else!

You get to use a broken image? You're not helping the stereotype about the elderly and computers.

Sep 5, 2014#201

Dave

Celt Z said:
You get to use a broken image? You're not helping the stereotype about the elderly and computers.

It worked for me because it was still in my cache. Cache is a computer word. I even used it in the correct context.

Sep 5, 2014#202

Thread Necromancer

Dave said:
It worked for me because it was still in my cache. Cache is a computer word. I even used it in the correct context.

TIL you can teach an old dog new tricks

Sep 5, 2014#203

GasBandit

Sep 6, 2014#204

Grytpipe-Thynne

Bowielee said:
Might I direct you to Parks and Recreation and Archer to refute your claim.

Unfortunately I have no knowledge of these, so cannot comment them. Sadly my remarks could also be aimed at "Comedy" over here. Most "Funny" shows have canned laughter to try to fool the viewer into thinking that they are humorous.

Sep 6, 2014#205

GasBandit

Sep 6, 2014#206

CynicismKills

I'd forgotten how much I hate rage comics.

Sep 7, 2014#207

Charlie Don't Surf

CynicismKills said:
I'd forgotten how much I hate rage comics.

I can never forget since I don't have gasbandit ignored *honk honk*

Sep 7, 2014#208

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I can never forget since I don't have gasbandit ignored *honk honk*

Double honking like that implies that you're grabbing a female's breasts in an act of white male dominance. You better check your privilege, shitlord.

Sep 7, 2014#209

Charlie Don't Surf

it's me honking a horn since I am likening him to a clown

Sep 7, 2014#210

Hailey Knight

Charlie Don't Surf said:
it's me honking a horn since I am likening him to a clown

Ah, so it isn't sexism, it's cultural appropriation.

Sep 7, 2014#211

Charlie Don't Surf

Zero Esc said:
Ah, so it isn't sexism, it's cultural appropriation.

nah, it's not, clowns aren't a culture, try again champ

Sep 7, 2014#212

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
it's me honking a horn since I am likening him to a clown

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but he's funny how, I mean funny like he's a clown, he amuses you? He make you laugh, he's here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How is he funny? No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said he's funny. How the fuck is he funny, what the fuck is so funny about Gasbandit? Tell me, tell me what's funny!

Sep 7, 2014#213

Hailey Knight

Charlie Don't Surf said:
nah, it's not, clowns aren't a culture, try again champ

Wow, you're insensitive.

EDIT: Jesus fuck that's a giant pigeon!

Sep 7, 2014#214

figmentPez

Charlie Don't Surf said:
nah, it's not, clowns aren't a culture, try again champ

How the hell are carnies not a sub-culture?

Sep 7, 2014#215

Tinwhistler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_society

freaking clownist

Sep 7, 2014#216

Hailey Knight

And what about the Killer Klowns from Outer Space? They have a home. They have a lifestyle. It's just been appropriated by Earth and now its meaning has changed from murderous to disturbing humor.

Bring back proper clownish! Bring back proper clownish![DOUBLEPOST=1410133699,1410133596][/DOUBLEPOST]

Tinwhistler said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_society

freaking clownist

Oh, there actually are a number of traditions and rites of cultural importance in history. I thought I was just jabbing Charlie; I didn't know it was a real thing. I feel bad now.

Sep 7, 2014#217

Tinwhistler

Zero Esc said:
And what about the Killer Klowns from Outer Space? They have a home. They have a lifestyle. It's just been appropriated by Earth and now its meaning has changed from murderous to disturbing humor.

Bring back proper clownish! Bring back proper clownish![DOUBLEPOST=1410133699,1410133596][/DOUBLEPOST]

Oh, there actually are a number of traditions and rites of cultural importance in history. I thought I was just jabbing Charlie; I didn't know it was a real thing. I feel bad now.

Hah, I was jabbing Charlie too, clownist that he is.

Sep 7, 2014#218

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
it's me honking a horn since I am likening him to a clown

Do you go around drawing swastikas, claiming they're ancient symbols of protection too? You Nazi sympathizer! Honking twice like that is clearly alluding to grabbing female breasts. I bet you even made the hand motions that come along with it, you filthy shitlord! And now you're claiming clowns are something that is there to amuse you? Something! Get it? You don't even see clowns as people; you're objectifying them as something that exists only to allow you to point your smelly finger and laugh. Where do you get off, you white, male privileged ass?

Sep 7, 2014#219

Charlie Don't Surf

i wish y'all spent half as much time reading about privilege and/or intersectionality as you do tilting at windmills to me, but whatever

Sep 7, 2014#220

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
i wish y'all spent half as much time reading about privilege and/or intersectionality as you do tilting at windmills to me, but whatever

And people in hell want ice water

Sep 7, 2014#221

Hailey Knight

Charlie Don't Surf said:
i wish y'all spent half as much time reading about privilege and/or intersectionality as you do tilting at windmills to me, but whatever

I did advise you a page or so ago to try being educational instead of trollish. In the Ferguson thread, you preferred to attack someone than inform. How do you ever expect to help any of these important matters with that kind of behavior?

Sep 7, 2014#222

Bowielee

Zero Esc said:
Wow, you're insensitive.

EDIT: Jesus fuck that's a giant pigeon!

That nose...

Sep 7, 2014#223

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
i wish y'all spent half as much time reading about privilege and/or intersectionality as you do tilting at windmills to me, but whatever

Funny enough, I took several women's studies classes in college, along with classes on 19th and 20th century colonialism and American slavery. Most of the posters around here are pretty well versed and educated in those and a variety of subjects. I actually wish you knew what the fuck you were talking about half the time.

Sep 7, 2014#224

redthirtyone

Allright - I'll be that guy. No I don't blame the women, nothing wrong with what they did or continue to do in the future. But genie's out of the bottle and so forth, so I checked out the link that Nick posted in the NSFW.

from the small portion of what I saw, there wasn't anything that extraordinary. I was expecting basically a bunch of bathroom mirror selfies fresh out of the shower or maybe a nip slip here or there. For the most part that's what you got. I don't even remember most of the people that had linked pics, most I had to even google why they were famous.

The JLaw pics were more than I expected, with a couple on a couch that were quite beautiful (think Playboy quality)

The Kate Upton pics were about what I expected with a few exceptions. She's a swimsuit model, so you've basically already seen most of her jumbly-bits before. Her um, catalog, was by far the most voluminous - with occasional pics of some other woman and Verlander junk in there. There were a few though, that were "Penthouse quality". A couple of faceless crotch shots & one "money shot".

There were some Brie Larson shots that were nothing more than unbuttoned oxfords revealing little. A bunch of supposed fake pics, a couple of Glee stars, one of which was hardcore quality, and a couple of Olivia Munn pics. You have to take their word for that since both of them were headless.

All in all, not that exciting for porn addicts, but I guess it was a heyday for giggling schoolboys in parochial boys' rooms.

Sep 7, 2014#225

GasBandit

The Daily Mail chimes in.

Pretty much every other page of the paper is celebrity nip-slips.

Sep 7, 2014#226

Bowielee

GasBandit said:
The Daily Mail chimes in.

Pretty much every other page of the paper is celebrity nip-slips.

But they blur them out, so it's COMPLETELY different and NOT exploitation at all.

Sep 7, 2014#227

DarkAudit

The subreddit has been shut down.

Sep 7, 2014#228

GasBandit

DarkAudit said:
The subreddit has been shut down.

Talk about closing the gate after the horse already got out.

Sep 7, 2014#229

DarkAudit

GasBandit said:
Talk about closing the gate after the horse already got out.

They consider that "working as intended."

Sep 8, 2014#230

Mathias

DarkAudit said:
The subreddit has been shut down.

lol, go to Piratebay and check out the number one of the top 100 downloads.

Sep 8, 2014#231

Charlie Don't Surf

Mathias said:
Funny enough, I took several women's studies classes in college,

well, your professors have failed you

Sep 8, 2014#232

Terrik

Charlie Don't Surf said:
well, your professors have failed you

Sep 8, 2014#233

Bowielee

Charlie Don't Surf said:
well, your professors have failed you

If by fail, you mean think critically, act on facts not emotions, and not just parrot what other people tell me, then yup. They failed miserably.

That's your biggest issue Charlie. You don't argue points, you regurgitate directionless rage.

Sep 8, 2014#234

GasBandit

Bowielee said:
If by fail, you mean think critically, act on facts not emotions, and not just parrot what other people tell me, then yup. They failed miserably.

That's your biggest issue Charlie. You don't argue points, you regurgitate directionless rage.

I think that's his symptom, not his problem.

Sep 8, 2014#235

Mathias

Charlie Don't Surf said:
well, your professors have failed you

Sounds good. I'm still good friends with two of them, one being the chair of the women's issues and LGBT group at my alma mater. The other was revolutionary in his area of African colonialism and exclusively focuses on the sociology of the colonizer and colonized.

Like always, NC, you got no bite behind your bark. I suggest you brush up on the philosophy of argument because you're logos is seriously fucked by your pathos and total lack of ethos.

Sep 8, 2014#236

Mathias

GasBandit said:
I think that's his symptom, not his problem.

The problem is that NC has never experienced real oppression, and he takes it upon himself to be the voice of the oppressed. His wet dream is to be a white Messiah to all those poor wretches that can't speak for or take care of themselves. Because he's never been a victim of such circumstances, he is oversensitive to the slightest infringements. Such is the MO of most SJWs. People that have experienced oppression tend to let minor infringements slide or regard them as unimportant.

Sep 8, 2014#237

Adam

What's funny to me is that it's an almost exact opposite of reality.

In reality, people who routinely face hardship tend to be significantly more resilient; if for no other reason than sheer necessity. To the actually oppressed microaggressions aren't on the same level as hate crimes - they're not even noticed. There is a reason why you don't hear people saying "my boss forced us to work overtime off the clock and threatened to have us deported if we complained but what really gets me is that some dude told me to smile the other day on the bus" or "the police beat me to a bloody pulp while screaming 'stop resisting', but instead let's talk about how fucked up it is that Assassin's Creed IV isn't going to allow character customization wtf EA?!" These statements would be ridiculous; if one were to make either of them then a rational person would likely assume the first part of the sentence is a lie.

Conversely, people who have never faced actual hardship tend to be a bit over sensitive to minor inconveniences, if only because they have no frame of reference with which to compare them to. These are people whose biggest problems to date have been "sometimes people disagree with my opinions even though I'm certain that my opinions are objectively correct", and everything kind of gets re-balanced on that scale. To them, failing to acknowledge that they're totally a trans-racial agendered biromantic demiboy who just happens to look like a middle class white girl is in fact oppression. It's roughly equal to the greatest hardships they've faced, and they simply don't realize that precious few people are fortunate to live such care-free lives.

I think the moral here is that allowing the least vulnerable, most privileged people in our society the right to impersonate, speak on the behalf of, and often silence actually oppressed people is a really, really bad thing. Sadly, I don't see anything changing in the immediate future. So many of them are so convinced that they're doing good and anyone who disagrees is evil, and such a mindset doesn't change easily.

- Reddit
- Michael Scott

Sep 8, 2014#238

Mathias

Goddamn it, where was this guy during my final exam in 2003?

Sep 8, 2014#239

PatrThom

Mathias said:
Goddamn it, where was this guy during my final exam in 2003?

Who? Einstein?
People say "Everything is relative" all the time, but few people realize just how unbounded that statement really is.

--Patrick

Sep 8, 2014#240

GasBandit

Sep 8, 2014#241

Hailey Knight

Bowielee said:
If by fail, you mean think critically, act on facts not emotions, and not just parrot what other people tell me, then yup. They failed miserably.

That's your biggest issue Charlie. You don't argue points, you regurgitate directionless rage.

And anytime someone attempts to engage him intelligently about any of these subjects? Silence.[DOUBLEPOST=1410221585,1410221311][/DOUBLEPOST]

Adam said:
I think the moral here is that allowing the least vulnerable, most privileged people in our society the right to impersonate, speak on the behalf of, and often silence actually oppressed people is a really, really bad thing. Sadly, I don't see anything changing in the immediate future. So many of them are so convinced that they're doing good and anyone who disagrees is evil, and such a mindset doesn't change easily.

I've seen conversations between trans folks who say they can't keep track of all the varying terminology well-meaning supporters come up with for them.

Sep 8, 2014#242

fade

Use the Genderbread Person

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/03/the-genderbread-person-v2-0/

Sep 8, 2014#243

Mathias

Zero Esc said:
And anytime someone attempts to engage him intelligently about any of these subjects? Silence.[DOUBLEPOST=1410221585,1410221311][/DOUBLEPOST]

I've seen conversations between trans folks who say they can't keep track of all the varying terminology well-meaning supporters come up with for them.

This is why I consider NC a troll.

Sep 8, 2014#244

GasBandit

fade said:
Use the Genderbread Person

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/03/the-genderbread-person-v2-0/

Oh my god the comments.

Sep 8, 2014#245

Mathias

Well, it's time to dust the ol' fella off....

Sep 8, 2014#246

Bowielee

Sep 8, 2014#247

Just Me

Bowielee said:

Great! Whenever I see this I go ''Take this, Katy Perry!"

Sep 8, 2014#248

Hailey Knight

I'm not gonna click disagree, but I disagree with their assessment of vaginas.

Sep 9, 2014#249

Bubble181

Adam said:
I think the moral here is that allowing the least vulnerable, most privileged people in our society the right to impersonate, speak on the behalf of, and often silence actually oppressed people is a really, really bad thing.

Up to a point. It's educated rich white guys standing up for, and supporting, the poor and uneducated masses that helped bring about general voting, labor laws, minimum wages, free/subsidized obligatory education, and so forth. I wouldn't want to still be in 19th-century Europe. Hey, it's the white abolitionist movement and white politics that helped end (very strongly reduce for the oversensitive) slave labor and segregation in the US.
I'm not saying "those poor blackies needed white men to stand up for them" or anything of the kind ,by the way, nor am I implying anything like it. I'm just saying that, certainly here, the social fight was fought predominantly by rich folks who felt sympathetic to the poor and thought they deserved human rights and a humane life as well - the poor rising up is nice and romantic, but not realistic, throughout history. By far the largest part of the poor uneducated masses are perfectly happy staying poor and uneducated - especially when they're kept in the dark and don't know what they're missing. It's the minority who wants change, helped by people from the aristocracy/top layer who agree, who bring about change.

Sep 9, 2014#250

HCGLNS

Where are the nudes of Helen Mirren?!

Sep 9, 2014#251

HCGLNS

Ain't no fapping without Helen Mirren.

Sep 9, 2014#252

ThatNickGuy

We saw her totally nude in, what was it, Something's Gotta Give, right? And damn if that woman didn't look good for her age.

Sep 9, 2014#253

Just Me

ThatNickGuy said:
We saw her totally nude in, what was it, Something's Gotta Give, right? And damn if that woman didn't look good for her age.

Sorry, that was Diane Keaton. Nevertheless agreeing with you!

Sep 9, 2014#254

Bowielee

Helen Mirren has gone topless in many roles throughout her career. Come on guys, the gay guy can't be the only one who's seen her funbags.

Sep 9, 2014#255

HCGLNS

Share or stieman will make you pregnant.

Sep 9, 2014#256

Bowielee

Well, if you want semi-current, just do a search for Helen Mirren Calendar Girls with safe search off.

Sep 9, 2014#257

sixpackshaker

google Helen Mirren Age of Consent

You're welcome.

Sep 9, 2014#258

Bowielee

Be careful with that safe search off.

Sep 10, 2014#259

Frank

Helen Mirren - Age of Consent, Savage Messiah, Caligula, Hussy, Excalibur, The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (SUPER CONFUSING TITLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE TITLES), The Passion of Ayn Rand, Calendar Girls and as recent as Love Ranch.

You throw a stick, you hit a movie poster of a film she's appeared nude in.

Also, Helen Mirren is fucking rad.

Sep 16, 2014#260

PatrThom

Apple has finally implemented 2FA for iCloud backups, so if you're using an iOS device GO TURN IT ON.

--Patrick

Sep 16, 2014#261

DarkAudit

PatrThom said:
Apple has finally implemented 2FA for iCloud backups, so if you're using an iOS device GO TURN IT ON.

--Patrick

Three day waiting period? Boo.

Sep 16, 2014#262

PatrThom

DarkAudit said:
Three day waiting period? Boo.

This gives you a chance to dispute it in case someone else gets your info and tries to lock you out of your own account.

--Patrick

Sep 24, 2014#263

GasBandit

Emma Watson spoke out about feminism.

A website pops up, purporting to be anons from 4chan, threatening to post Emma Watson nudes on a countdown timer.

Turns out the whole thing was a false flag operation by SJWs trying to get 4chan shut down.

Via Cheezburger network:

Emma You Are Next, A website purporting to leak private photos of Emma Watson has now been found out to be a coordinated hoax to get 4chan shut down. Yesterday internet sleuths discovered who was really behind the website so the countdown timer was pushed to today.

Now when you visit the website you are greeted with:

The trick began after Emma Watson's powerful U.N. speech where she discussed feminism and her "HeForShe" campaign.

Sep 24, 2014#264

Chad Sexington

GasBandit said:
Emma Watson spoke out about feminism.

A website pops up, purporting to be anons from 4chan, threatening to post Emma Watson nudes on a countdown timer.

Turns out the whole thing was a false flag operation by SJWs trying to get 4chan shut down.

Via Cheezburger network:

Emma You Are Next, A website purporting to leak private photos of Emma Watson has now been found out to be a coordinated hoax to get 4chan shut down. Yesterday internet sleuths discovered who was really behind the website so the countdown timer was pushed to today.

Now when you visit the website you are greeted with:

The trick began after Emma Watson's powerful U.N. speech where she discussed feminism and her "HeForShe" campaign.

It's actually even weirder than that: http://www.businessinsider.com/emma-watson-naked-photo-countdown-hoax-2014-9

There is no Rantic company, no SJWs... That in and of itself is a hoax. Why, I don't know.

Sep 24, 2014#265

MindDetective

What a weird future we live in. I feel like we are entering some kind of cyberpunk dystopian future ala William Gibson...

Sep 24, 2014#266

GasBandit

JUST HOW DEEP DOES THIS DECEPTION GO

Sep 24, 2014#267

Chad Sexington

Fap..ception?

Sep 24, 2014#268

fade

Is that where you wrap one hand around the other, so you're fapping in your fap?

Sep 24, 2014#269

GasBandit

fade said:
Is that where you wrap one hand around the other, so you're fapping in your fap?

I saw some manga that involved a guy doin' a girl and sticking his hand up her ass and jerking himself off with her perineum wall. So maybe that?

Sep 24, 2014#270

fade

GasBandit said:
I saw some manga that involved a guy doin' a girl and sticking his hand up her ass and jerking himself off with her perineum wall. So maybe that?

Sep 24, 2014#271

Ravenpoe

GasBandit said:
I saw some manga that involved a guy doin' a girl and sticking his hand up her ass and jerking himself off with her perineum wall. So maybe that?

... I think I've seen that, too.

Sep 24, 2014#272

GasBandit

Wait wait, I was mistaken... she sticks her OWN hand up her ass to jerk HIM off with HER perineum wall.

Sep 24, 2014#273

Terrik

GasBandit said:
Wait wait, I was mistaken... she sticks her OWN hand up her ass to jerk HIM off with HER perineum wall.

Why go through all that trouble?

Sep 24, 2014#274

GasBandit

Terrik said:
Why go through all that trouble?

I don't remember exactly, but I think it was a "no other girl can do THIS for you, right?" situation.

Sep 24, 2014#275

fade

How do you even....

Sep 24, 2014#276

GasBandit

fade said:
How do you even....

Don't even get me started on what these artists think the human cervix is capable of.

Sep 24, 2014#277

bhamv3

Ravenpoe said:
... I think I've seen that, too.

Yeah, it sounds familiar to me too. Not sure if we all saw the same manga, or if this type of scenario is more common than we think.

Sep 24, 2014#278

Zappit

GasBandit said:
Wait wait, I was mistaken... she sticks her OWN hand up her ass to jerk HIM off with HER perineum wall.

This is the first post on the latest page. I hadn't looked at this thread in awhile.

I don't think I'll be coming back to this thread.

Sep 24, 2014#279

Ravenpoe

Zappit said:
This is the first post on the latest page. I hadn't looked at this thread in awhile.

I don't think I'll be coming back to this thread.

You know, if you read it out of context...

*looks at thread title*

Ok, no, that's pretty much the context.

Sep 24, 2014#280

BErt

GasBandit said:
Wait wait, I was mistaken... she sticks her OWN hand up her ass to jerk HIM off with HER perineum wall.

No wait... It's gotta be your bull.

Sep 25, 2014#281

PatrThom

bhamv3 said:
Yeah, it sounds familiar to me too. Not sure if we all saw the same manga, or if this type of scenario is more common than we think.

I'm guessing 'B.'

--Patrick

Sep 25, 2014#282

bhamv3

PatrThom said:
I'm guessing 'B.'

--Patrick

If so, there's an ElJuski quote that would fit this situation. Can't remember what it is. Give me a moment, it'll come to me...

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