Tea Party says "Screw it, we're our own party now!"

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Soliloquy

Looks like they got tired of being GOP lackeys.

According to this article here, The Tea Party has been filed as an official Third Party in Nevada, and will have its own candidate running for Senator against Harry Reid in the upcoming election.

This is interesting, since it shows the movement actually stands for something now, instead of being some tool to further the agenda of Republicans.

Seeing AstroTurf becoming an actual grassroots organization is like seeing Pinocchio become a real boy.
 
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Soliloquy

Well, it's not like Pinocchio was ever a particularly effective real boy.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Let's just see if they can get away from the "Voting Third Parties is throwing away a vote" stigma that exists in America.
 
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Soliloquy

Honestly, I think if there ever were a time when 3rd-party voting could gain popularity, it's now. Everyone's pissed at everyone in politics these days, so people who don't fall under current norm for "everyone" may have a better chance.
 
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WolfOfOdin

I'm hesitant to put my faith in them. The Tea Partiers have begun to draw some of the whackos from the far far-right, the whole "we shouldn't have to pay taxes AT ALL!!!!!!" crowd. If they get enough of a voice, it'll shoot the party in the head before they can get up.

Keeping with nuts, the party's also seen fit to draw some hard, fundamentalist Christian moon-bats into the fold as well...hell, the party split once because one side thought that they 'didn't have a Christian-enough agenda"
 
Espy

Espy

Good for them. I might not agree with them but I always appreciate voters who are actually interested in getting involved. It's a hell of a lot better than just sitting around and bitching about it.
 
Covar

Covar

Well I will say this. Come 2012 I will not vote for another Republican that's like John McCain.

Also I've constantly heard people calling the TeaParty "astroturf", but have never seen any evidence to suggest this as true.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Covar said:
Well I will say this. Come 2012 I will not vote for another Republican that's like John McCain.

Also I've constantly heard people calling the TeaParty "astroturf", but have never seen any evidence to suggest this as true.
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At the start of the tea party movement, it was very apparent who was pulling the strings by how quickly they got funding and how quickly and precisely they co-ordinated their protests. This is not something a Grassroots movement can do right out of the gate without professional help. Also, the fact that they were able to smuggle guns into town hall meetings without being stopped by the cops reeks of set-up.

Regardless, it seems like it's turning into an official political party now. Anything that takes some of the Conservative vote is OK in my book... lord knows the Greens have been doing it to the Liberal side for long enough.
 
North_Ranger

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Sure, it worked for Ralph Nader and the Libertarians also.
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And the Greenbacks.
And the Prohibition Party.
And the Union Labor Party.
And the People's Party.
And the Socialist Party of America.
And the Progressive Party.
And the Union Party.
And the Dixiecrats.
And the second Progressive Party.
And the American Independent Party.
And Ross Perot.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

No Marijuana Party?
No Natural Law Party? (Their platform included levitation through meditation.)

Y'all are boring.
 
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WolfOfOdin

Anywho, the problem these folk are going to have to overcome is rather large, besides the ingrained two-party nature of our system.

The Tea Party is attracting one group faster than any other, and that is Tax Protesters, people like Tommy Cryer, who believe it's illegal to pay taxes. Their burgeoning party can go one of two ways, to become a new center-right (hopefully) movement and replace the moribund GOP, or devolve into another association of lunatics like the Constitution Party or the God's Own Party.
 
Bonhomme Richard

Bonhomme Richard

I'm curious about the not paying taxes thing. I've heard plenty of people around me talk about the income tax being unconstitutional. While I might agree with that when referring to property taxes, I'm not sure how they get the income taxes. What is their reasoning for all taxes being illegal?
 
Troll

Troll

WolfOfOdin said:
Their burgeoning party can go one of two ways, to become a new center-right (hopefully) movement and replace the moribund GOP
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You're kidding, right?

...or devolve into another association of lunatics like the Constitution Party or the God's Own Party.
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Ah, that's more like it. I think we have a winner here.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Bonhomme Richard said:
I've heard plenty of people around me talk about the income tax being unconstitutional.
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I'm curious to see where that even comes from, since like the first power mentioned for Congress is the power to tax. I started reading your Constitution but really couldn't be bothered with much since it's so freaking long.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Gruebeard;341419][QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard said:
I've heard plenty of people around me talk about the income tax being unconstitutional.
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I'm curious to see where that even comes from, since like the first power mentioned for Congress is the power to tax. I started reading your Constitution but really couldn't be bothered with much since it's so freaking long.[/QUOTE]

I think it's based on the fact that taxing income is not explicitly stated in the Constitution, only taxes on trade and perhaps property. This would make it a power deferred to the States at best, not the federal government. Regardless, Income taxes are here to stay, no matter how biased and contrary they are.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Ah. I didn't see a list of what could be taxed, just that Congress has the power to tax. Perhaps later in the Constitution it specifies. Note: I didn't even make it to the ammendments.

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Well, amendment XVI specifically gives the power to tax income. It's very clear on it , too.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Mind you, that amendment looks like it was a clarification or modification of a line in one of the articles, which is probably the source of that No Tax movement. However since an amendment is, by definition, a clarification or modification I'd imagine that nullifying one amendment because it doesn't agree with the earlier articles would probably automatically transform every amendment to some lesser status akin to any other legislation.
 
Bonhomme Richard

Bonhomme Richard

You might also note the 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Up until then levies were even controversial when it came to taxing. That also was right at the beginning of Wilson's term and he's kinda held up as somewhat of a lightening rod of the Progressive movement. Regardless, due to its date, I'm guessing the no tax people feel well enough should have been left alone on a touchy subject from the start.

Also, Gruebeard, did you just TL; DR; the US Constitution? Sure you're not an American after all?
 
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WolfOfOdin

Fact of the matter is that Income tax is more or less here to stay and shrieking that the IRS is an Orwellian organization won't change things.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Well, probably, but after the 5th sentence it's like "yeah, whatever; if you can't do the 4 C's in 4 sentences I just ain't got time for it"
 
Krisken

Krisken

Gruebeard said:
Well, probably, but after the 5th sentence it's like "yeah, whatever; if you can't do the 4 C's in 4 sentences I just ain't got time for it"
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I know you're taking a jab at me, but if I read 4 sentences saying the same damn thing it means you are too stupid to say it in one.
 
Jake

Jake

The Teabaggers just had their big convention here in Nashville recently and their keynote speaker was Sarah Palin. Nuff said.
 
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