[Movies] Pacific Rim
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Yeah, I actually left with the impression that it wasn't romantic.
Exactly.
Did everyone forget the part right before the final mission where he looks at her, says "You know normally I always think about the past, but now, I am thinking about the future." then he looks at her, smiles at her, she looks surprised then she smiles at him, and he continues, "I always did have bad timing" and then they did the head drop into the Jaeger.
He was just trying to soften the blow for when Miko saw the terrible stuff involving her in his head.
Well Ravenpoe...
Lucky for the command center they only dropped into her horrific childhood memory during the training process, because it would have been a whole other ball game if Gypsy Danger humped the hanger to death.
His old boss pretty much told him to take care of her. His quote could mean that he's changed because he now has a responsibility, whereas he before didn't care what happened to him one day to the next.
Wheth the responsibility is romantic or sibling love really isn't specified, and hardly matters.
Those who want it to be romantic will see it that way, and those who want them to merely be siblings will see it that way. The film makers really did leave it up to the viewer.
He did show some mild interest initially in the film, but after drifting with her that could have readily evolved to either feelings of passion, or feelings of great, but non sexual, love.
In fact, he might have a hard time not seeing her as a child needing to be sheltered and protected from now on, just as the old man saw her.
Wheth the responsibility is romantic or sibling love really isn't specified, and hardly matters.
Those who want it to be romantic will see it that way, and those who want them to merely be siblings will see it that way. The film makers really did leave it up to the viewer.
He did show some mild interest initially in the film, but after drifting with her that could have readily evolved to either feelings of passion, or feelings of great, but non sexual, love.
In fact, he might have a hard time not seeing her as a child needing to be sheltered and protected from now on, just as the old man saw her.
Really, though, there was little reason to use an essentially all male cast with the one troubled child bit part played by a female.
There was the female russian pilot.
But the lead did run off to sulk for six? years after losing a battle.
It came off as romantic to me, but maybe I've watched too many monster movies. It really doesn't take much of anything to get the main guy and main girl together in those.
THANK YOU, I've been looking for a copy of that picture for awhile now.
As to the usual reduction of women's roles, even with the possible romance aside, I did note that even though she was supposed to be presented as a strong female character, she pretty much couldn't do anything without being saved by a man. So, yeah, it follows the usual testosterone tract, but that was pretty much to be accepted in the context of this type of movie. Like Dei said, blah, bitty, blah, the song is the same.
Oh we are going to play this game? Well shit, I'm sorry the movie didn't end with them sucking each others faces off while on a life-raft, or going back to base to have sex in some healing tube.
You can have "romance" without turning into a raunchy porno.
When she first met him, she looked at him wide eyed, and said he was "not what she expected". As far as flow goes that is the hook that she finds him attractive. When next time they talk, she is going into her room, but before she closes the door she sees him with his shirt off in the room across, she shy fully closes the door and stares at his naked chest through the peep-hole. Later on, they form a "connection" during the fight. She clumisily goes to the wrong door, HIS door, and he wants her to open up to him. By the end, the big climax is on the horizon and he says a bunch of lines that basically amount to "I want to marry you" and she begs for him "please don't leave me." when it looks like he is dead. When she learns hhe is alive they stare into each others eyes and touch foreheads together.
I am sorry, but I wouldn't do ANY of the above stuff with someone I was not attracted to, nor even a friend or sibling I was close with. My sisters would find it oddly unsettling to touch foreheads like that.
I was honestly expecting them to do the james bond
Yes, all the stuff ScytheRexx mentioned happened and suggested
But I don't think it matters either. Like art you can take what you want out of it.
slinking into the raft and asking the helicopters to come awhile later.
Yes, all the stuff ScytheRexx mentioned happened and suggested
romantic intentions on both sides. But again, that was prior to drifting, which may have fundamentally changed their relationship. Depending on culture the last scene could be seen as romantic or not, but I think if they had done anything further (ie, james bond) it would have been unsettling for many viewers. "Oh, your adopted father just sacrificed himself, and you're sitting in a liferaft over his watery grave enjoying your new boyfriend... well then..."
I think it is a tiny stretch to suggest a sibling relationship over a romantic relationship, but they've both lost people close to them in very personal ways, and romance doesn't have to be in the cards for them to have a very close relationship.
I think it is a tiny stretch to suggest a sibling relationship over a romantic relationship, but they've both lost people close to them in very personal ways, and romance doesn't have to be in the cards for them to have a very close relationship.
But I don't think it matters either. Like art you can take what you want out of it.
I started to write out a whole response to this, but I just don't feel like dealing with it. I disagree with some of what you said, I have zero interest in continuing what is shaping up to be a rather stupid argument, and I think we should all just drop it.
So no, we're not going to "play this game," smartass.
Also just remembered this scene...
Even if we do assume they are just "drift friends" or something, she obviously had a huge crush on him.
I simply took the exact way you were breaking it down and threw it right back at you in the opposite way, to show you how stupid it was.
Before the first drift test, when she is in her room, she looks through the peep-hole to try and get a glimpse of the main guy and sees the main guy walking up to her door. She jumps away to her desk to act like she was doing something else, but the main guy chickens out of knocking, deciding to give her space. It cuts back to her and she hears a knock, jumps over and opens it like a giddy school girl with a smile expecting the main guy, only for the smile to fade when she realizes it's her adopted father, the commander.
This happened before they did the first drift together.
This happened before they did the first drift together.
Even if we do assume they are just "drift friends" or something, she obviously had a huge crush on him.
If you don't want "smartassry" then don't be a smartass in kind. You took our entire argument and made it sound like we were being silly that we saw romantic undertones to the relationship, by saying that "Oh well sorry they didn't just have a firm handshake or something" because you were so dead set on it being some drift friendship.
I simply took the exact way you were breaking it down and threw it right back at you in the opposite way, to show you how stupid it was.
Well you're just so clever, aren't you? I stand in awe of your brilliance.
All better now?
It would have been better if you discussed your points and actually carried out a discussion about why you think the whole thing was more platonic, using facts and relevant scenes. Then we wouldn't have to have you being passive aggressive.
But since this is how it went, sure, all better.
That was the original argument? I didn't get that at all. The first quote that started this implied it could be argued that no romance arc existed at all. For there to be romantic tropes, it has to have a romantic arc, even if that arc is secondary to the much larger arc. If the argument is that the romantic arc didn't ruin the film, I can agree with that.
ScytheRexx - There was no arc, there was more of a quarter circle. There needed to be ALOT more elements to constitute an arc. So noooooope.
Again, Romantic tropes? Yep. Romantic arc/storyline etc? Nope.
Again, Romantic tropes? Yep. Romantic arc/storyline etc? Nope.