But he is still far better than Tebow. He can't even do the footwork for a 3 or 5 step drop.
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I never said he was worse than Tebow, just that he's not that great
Maybe playoff wins.
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I was looking at my fantasy football site. But he did lead the Jets to an 8-8 season. They melted down at the end, but they were in the thick of it.
You called The Sanchize a top ten QB based on FFL scoring stats; you don't deserve serious comments.
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Yeah, I looked at the wrong stat page. Sue me.You called The Sanchize a top ten QB based on FFL scoring stats; you don't deserve serious comments.
But he's still way better than Tebow.
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That's great and all, but that doesn't make him an NFL caliber QB. A lot of good college QBs (in fact, almost all) can't make it in the NFL because they're not good enough. The only reason anyone knows about Tebow is because of idiots who see his faith instead of his talent. God gave Tebow talent, but not NFL talent.
The reason people know about Tebow really isn't his faith.
He won two national championships in college, and then as a starter he got credit for.... some high absurd number of come-from-behind, dramatic 4th quarter victories in leading the Broncos to a division title. This wasn't an isolated thing to Tebow -it's the NFL's systemic "everything is a result of the Quarterback" culture. Then he shocked the heavily favored Steelers in the playoffs by throwing for a fuckton of yards(316 lol) including the game winning score.
He won two national championships in college, and then as a starter he got credit for.... some high absurd number of come-from-behind, dramatic 4th quarter victories in leading the Broncos to a division title. This wasn't an isolated thing to Tebow -it's the NFL's systemic "everything is a result of the Quarterback" culture. Then he shocked the heavily favored Steelers in the playoffs by throwing for a fuckton of yards(316 lol) including the game winning score.
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You don't hear any of the news fro Denver then. I have relatives there and hear about it all the time.
Plus, if you watch ESPN at all...
Tebow was a big story because Florida won while Tebow didn't do anything particularly mechanically well as a passer. Fortunately, a college team can get away with doing that.
Then he got a chance on a terrible Denver team, and the team started winning. Mass media equates a team winning to a quarterback winning.
Surprisingly enough, the thing that improved the most after adding Tebow was Denver's rushing offense, which actually was affected directly by Tebow.
Then, in the playoff game, Tebow was actually really good as a passer, again surprising against the #1 passing defense in the NFL.
Overall, though? Mechanically not good, and not accurate as a passer. As a running QB, though? Probably top 5 in the league.
Then he got a chance on a terrible Denver team, and the team started winning. Mass media equates a team winning to a quarterback winning.
Surprisingly enough, the thing that improved the most after adding Tebow was Denver's rushing offense, which actually was affected directly by Tebow.
Then, in the playoff game, Tebow was actually really good as a passer, again surprising against the #1 passing defense in the NFL.
Overall, though? Mechanically not good, and not accurate as a passer. As a running QB, though? Probably top 5 in the league.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...n-believes-peyton-manning-hurt-142935112.html
Stay classy, you old fart.
Stay classy, you old fart.
I'm of the mind that Tebow is bad at passing decent at running. And today I wondered if the Jets could use him as a running back with the threat of passing for trick plays.
Then I got to thinking, would it be easier to train a running back to be a good enough passer for this role, or would it make more sense to use an ok passer with decent running skills?
Then I got to thinking, would it be easier to train a running back to be a good enough passer for this role, or would it make more sense to use an ok passer with decent running skills?
The Jets used to deploy Brad Smith, a QB in college, in the Wildcat. So yeah, it seems pretty likely that's how the Jets will use him.
Nowadays it seems like teams are on the lookout for athletic QBs precisely for such a reason, but there are still relatively few out there who are legitimate running threats. Given the available talent pool, it may be easier to train up a RB by default. Also, I'd guess teams don't want to spend a roster spot on a guy who's only an okay passer and an okay runner. If he can't legitimately backup a spot, he's a luxury teams may not be able to afford.
Nowadays it seems like teams are on the lookout for athletic QBs precisely for such a reason, but there are still relatively few out there who are legitimate running threats. Given the available talent pool, it may be easier to train up a RB by default. Also, I'd guess teams don't want to spend a roster spot on a guy who's only an okay passer and an okay runner. If he can't legitimately backup a spot, he's a luxury teams may not be able to afford.
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Tebow would make an excellent TE. He has the size and moves to be able to be one of the most successful TEs in the game. He does not have the skills to be a good QB in the NFL. He could be a TE and still be a viable 3rd/4th string backup just in case, which would mean the roster would be able to be balanced.
But he's probably like that whiner Eric Crouch from Nebraska. Gets drafted into the NFL and St. Louis wanted to use him as either a TE or a WR and keep him as the QB3. He said nope. It was QB or nothing. So they cut his ass. What happened? Bulger and Warner both got hurt - he'd have started at least 2 games. Now he's out of the league having never played a snap on offense (he played Safety for the Hamburg Sea Devils in NFL Europe).
But he's probably like that whiner Eric Crouch from Nebraska. Gets drafted into the NFL and St. Louis wanted to use him as either a TE or a WR and keep him as the QB3. He said nope. It was QB or nothing. So they cut his ass. What happened? Bulger and Warner both got hurt - he'd have started at least 2 games. Now he's out of the league having never played a snap on offense (he played Safety for the Hamburg Sea Devils in NFL Europe).
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Tebow's press conference was on the television earlier. I think he's really excited to be a Jet. I figured from how he said exactly this thirty-or-more times during his time answering questions.
Also, when he speaks to reporters (press conference or otherwise), he sounds like a small child who's been crying. He has this run-on sentence plus almost always out of breath sound going on.
"So, I got the ball and I saw so-and-so and I threw him the ball (breath) and then he was running and I was running and he scored and (breath) then we were running together and it was really great and then we won the game and (breath) and now you guys are asking me questions about it (breath) and I'm really excited to be a Jet!"
Yeah.
Also, when he speaks to reporters (press conference or otherwise), he sounds like a small child who's been crying. He has this run-on sentence plus almost always out of breath sound going on.
"So, I got the ball and I saw so-and-so and I threw him the ball (breath) and then he was running and I was running and he scored and (breath) then we were running together and it was really great and then we won the game and (breath) and now you guys are asking me questions about it (breath) and I'm really excited to be a Jet!"
Yeah.
I know about the yards after catch stat, but is there a recorded thrown yardage stat? Aside from completions/interceptions that would seem to be the best indicator for a QB.
Sort of like (FSM help me) total balls thrown by a starting pitcher in baseball. Does a QB become tired at a certain yard limit?
Sort of like (FSM help me) total balls thrown by a starting pitcher in baseball. Does a QB become tired at a certain yard limit?
NFL QB's don't throw as hard or as often as a MLB Pitcher does. 30 passes is a lot. Most starting pitchers will throw 100 pitches at most (rule of thumb, it has been a while since I've seen a lot of baseball.)
They have been keeping track of pitches/strikes for a while, and 100 pitches isn't always the ROT when it comes to starters (Some guys it's 120, some it's 95 - it depends on a lot of things, like injury and effectiveness).
YAC is a stat, but it is only kept for receivers, for some reason.
YAC is a stat, but it is only kept for receivers, for some reason.
Well, there's one argument to be made that a QB should get credit for leading a receiver to get them to get more YAC (yards after completion)
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