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Mr_Chaz
Mr_Chaz
As our Ewoky friend can't get to the phone right now, and it's been pretty sedate in the thread for a while I thought I might as well fill in a bit. Apologies for the non-US bias, I'll do my best, but God knows what you lot consider newsworthy 
The UK's Chancellor of the Exchequer can't do his own taxes.
The North Korean nuclear test had more impact that you might have thought.
Maybe Prop. 8 isn't as sound as they thought.
Not sure if this has come up in the last thread, but the Republicans aren't too happy about what Pelosi will or won't say.
And Berlusconi isn't too happy with what the newspapers say about him.
Texan Mayor resigns to be with his gay, illegal immigrant, lover. Bet that went down well with the local community.
The biggest bank in Florida is inches away from collapse, and it doesn't even make it onto CNNs website.
And finally, the Republicans intend to filibuster Obama's Supreme Court nomination. Which I guess is fair. Stupid, but fair.
The UK's Chancellor of the Exchequer can't do his own taxes.
The North Korean nuclear test had more impact that you might have thought.
Maybe Prop. 8 isn't as sound as they thought.
Not sure if this has come up in the last thread, but the Republicans aren't too happy about what Pelosi will or won't say.
And Berlusconi isn't too happy with what the newspapers say about him.
Texan Mayor resigns to be with his gay, illegal immigrant, lover. Bet that went down well with the local community.
The biggest bank in Florida is inches away from collapse, and it doesn't even make it onto CNNs website.
And finally, the Republicans intend to filibuster Obama's Supreme Court nomination. Which I guess is fair. Stupid, but fair.
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
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Troll
Troll
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Matt²
Matt²
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Troll
Troll
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Mr_Chaz
Mr_Chaz
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JCM
JCM
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The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Armadillo
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Iaculus
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Espy
Espy
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If there is a Divine Plan, and this thread turns out to be part of it, I will not have regretted my time on earth as an atheist.Iaculus said:
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The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Iaculus
Iaculus
But... but cookies! Heavenly cookies!ZenMonkey said:If there is a Divine Plan, and this thread turns out to be part of it, I will not have regretted my time on earth as an atheist.Iaculus said:
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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North_Ranger
And before somebody starts telling me I should be afraid of the Fiery Lake and hot pokers... I'm just joking.
North_Ranger
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Powers that Be were using this thread as part of their big plans. After all, they apparently used a shrubbery on fire, hermaphrodites with wings and monkey kings - depending on your favourite flavour, of courseZenMonkey said:If there is a Divine Plan, and this thread turns out to be part of it, I will not have regretted my time on earth as an atheist.Iaculus said:
And before somebody starts telling me I should be afraid of the Fiery Lake and hot pokers... I'm just joking.
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Chibibar
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Chibibar
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Troll
Troll
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Twitch
Twitch
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
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Covar
Covar
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Allen, who is Quiet
Allen, who is Quiet
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Troll
Troll
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Mr_Chaz
Mr_Chaz
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
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Chibibar
Chibibar
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Espy
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Armadillo
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Dieb
Dieb
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SpecialKO
SpecialKO
EDIT: Damnit, Dieb 
'ed me.
If you read or watch the entire speech, it's quite clear that she is simply pointing out how at the circuit court level, every decision sets effective precedent for legal policy for the entire country, since the only means by which that precedent can be overturned is for the SCOTUS to intervene. This is contrasted with the district court level, which tend not to establish precedent outside that district.
'ed me.I'm not sure what your point is here. That's a fairly typical rate for circuit court decisions that go up the Supreme Court.Armadillo said:
The whole thing seems to hinge on whether New Haven is correct in believing that the test was subject to disparate impact. Which really says more about New Haven then Sotomayor, but still
I quite agree. This ruling really bothers me.
Not really.
If you read or watch the entire speech, it's quite clear that she is simply pointing out how at the circuit court level, every decision sets effective precedent for legal policy for the entire country, since the only means by which that precedent can be overturned is for the SCOTUS to intervene. This is contrasted with the district court level, which tend not to establish precedent outside that district.
How is that different than what Alito said at his own confirmation hearings?
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Armadillo
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Dieb
Dieb
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ThatGrinningIdiot!
ThatGrinningIdiot!
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Dieb
Dieb
No, to do that I'd have to start making controversial statements backed up by nothing, and called myself a libertarian while believing in that the government should have the power to torture peopleBlackCrossCrusader said:
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Iaculus
On the plus side, the dark side has cookies. Evil cookies.
Iaculus
Just a few small steps towards the dark side, chief. One minute you're getting shirty with someone in an Internet political debate, the next you're signing a petition to have them tried for grand treason while stroking your gun in a vaguely Freudian manner.Dieb said:No, to do that I'd have to start making controversial statements backed up by nothing, and called myself a libertarian while believing in that the government should have the power to torture peopleBlackCrossCrusader said:
On the plus side, the dark side has cookies. Evil cookies.
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Bubble181
Bubble181
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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Shakey
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Shakey
Shakey
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DarkAudit
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Shakey
Shakey
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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DarkAudit
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Dieb
As to the argument over whether shutting down dealers for their political affiliations or torture is a greater abuse of power - that's an extremely silly argument. They're both horrible. That said, I think torture is the worse abuse of power. It's a war crime. Under US law, you can get the DEATH PENALTY if anyone died during torture (and the Red Cross thinks that dozens, perhaps more than a hundred, people have died at Gitmo and other places due to US abuse). If Obama had shut down car dealers innappropriatly (of course he didn't), the worst thing that would happen would be impeachment - there is no way he'd go to jail over it, and it's more likely he'd just get a slap on the wrist and then not run again in 2012.
Nonetheless, why are we arguing over this? It's like asking whether rape or murder is worse. Can't we agree that they're both crimes that deserve extremely harsh punishments and be done with it?
Dieb
Hah, I'd never stroke my gun in a vaguely Freudian manner....I'd do it in an overtly Freudian mannerIaculus said:
I think Nate Silver completley demolishes that potential scandal. Basically, he looked at overall car dealer donations, and found that they went to Republicans just as much the donations of the dealers shut down. I mean, you've got a profession that dominated by older white men who are small business owners and fairly wealthy. It makes sense that they're going to be overwhelmingly republican.Armadillo said:
As to the argument over whether shutting down dealers for their political affiliations or torture is a greater abuse of power - that's an extremely silly argument. They're both horrible. That said, I think torture is the worse abuse of power. It's a war crime. Under US law, you can get the DEATH PENALTY if anyone died during torture (and the Red Cross thinks that dozens, perhaps more than a hundred, people have died at Gitmo and other places due to US abuse). If Obama had shut down car dealers innappropriatly (of course he didn't), the worst thing that would happen would be impeachment - there is no way he'd go to jail over it, and it's more likely he'd just get a slap on the wrist and then not run again in 2012.
Nonetheless, why are we arguing over this? It's like asking whether rape or murder is worse. Can't we agree that they're both crimes that deserve extremely harsh punishments and be done with it?
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DarkAudit
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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Bubble181
Bubble181
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Covar
Covar
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Bubble181
Bubble181
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Lamont
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North_Ranger
North_Ranger
Here's hoping we can keep this up for a long, long time :sobad:Edrondol said:
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Futureking
F
Futureking
Apparently, a group of firemen took a promotion test. The results were declared null because no black person passed the test. And the class action suit was dismissed by the judge.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
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SpecialKO
SpecialKO
Yeah, we were talking about this one on the last page. It sounds like New Haven went way overboard in trying to avoid a disparate impact lawsuit. What would be interesting to see is the actual content of the test, because that's really the key to everything.Futureking said:Apparently, a group of firemen took a promotion test. The results were declared null because no black person passed the test. And the class action suit was dismissed by the judge.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
How was this thrown out? This is clearly a racially based crime and that fact that it's against white people shouldn't matter. In order for any racially based legislation to be constitutional, it needs to protect EVERYONE EQUALLY, whether they are in the minority or not.TeKeo said:Yeah, we were talking about this one on the last page. It sounds like New Haven went way overboard in trying to avoid a disparate impact lawsuit. What would be interesting to see is the actual content of the test, because that's really the key to everything.Futureking said:Apparently, a group of firemen took a promotion test. The results were declared null because no black person passed the test. And the class action suit was dismissed by the judge.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
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Futureking
F
Futureking
It doesn't help that the judge is Sotomayor. The right wing sees her as the poster child of affirmative action.AshburnerX said:How was this thrown out? This is clearly a racially based crime and that fact that it's against white people shouldn't matter. In order for any racially based legislation to be constitutional, it needs to protect EVERYONE EQUALLY, whether they are in the minority or not.TeKeo said:Yeah, we were talking about this one on the last page. It sounds like New Haven went way overboard in trying to avoid a disparate impact lawsuit. What would be interesting to see is the actual content of the test, because that's really the key to everything.Futureking said:Apparently, a group of firemen took a promotion test. The results were declared null because no black person passed the test. And the class action suit was dismissed by the judge.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
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Dieb
The reason the government brought up in trial, the reason that caused the courts to throw the lawsuit out, was that the government could have been sued successfully for discrimination if they DIDN'T invalidate the test. Why? Because Title VII (the relevant law) requires the government to consider the racial impacts of things like tests. I'll quote the relevant part:
"A selection rate for any race, sex, or ethnic group which is less than four-fifths (4/5) (or eighty percent) of the rate for the group with the highest rate will generally be regarded by the Federal enforcement agencies as evidence of adverse impact, while a greater than four-fifths rate will generally not be regarded by Federal enforcement agencies as evidence of adverse impact."
The rates at which blacks and hispanics passed the test were below 80% of the rate whites passed the test. Thus, the courts found that New Haven did have a good reason for being discriminatory, and the lawsuit was thrown out. Basically. It's a bit more complicated than all that, of course, and I'd suggest you read (http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian ... -case.html) if you want to know more of the story.
Now, I'm not sure if I agree with the ruling. I think the Supreme Court should probably overturn it. But in making the ruling, Sotomayor was following law and precedent - in fact, her problem in this case was a LACK of empathy, not an overabundance of it (like conservatives like to charge her with). She probably should have overturned some of the precedent that led her to this decision - but to simultaniously say she should only follow law and precendent, AND to say she made a bad decision on Ricci, is contradictory.
-- Sat May 30, 2009 4:23 pm --
Moreover, her gender actually HURT her in trying to get into Princeton. You see, Princeton only first admitted females a couple of years before she entered. Princeton was one of the last of the Ivies to become coeducational. There was a lot of resistance to admitting females. To pacify critics, when they first let women in, they explicitly said that they would not take the place of any man. Male attendance would have to remain at the same level; any slots for females would have to be increases in the schools population. Of course, there was only limited housing - so there was a quota for female admittance. Not a minimum quota, but a maximum! Far fewer females than males were admitted - there were four males for every female in her class. The acceptance rate for girls was 14% - for guys, 22%.
And the right wing says she didn't earn what she's gotten in life. What fucking hogwash.
Dieb
There are many misleading articles about this case. One of the most important things to remember is that Sotomayor found that DISCRIMINATION DID HAPPEN. She (or rather, the lower court opinion that she upheld) didn't throw out the case because they thought discrimination doesn't happen against whites or something stupid like that. However, the law says that, even if the court finds that racial discrimination happened, the government has a chance to try to prove that they had a damn good reason to do so.AshburnerX said:How was this thrown out? This is clearly a racially based crime and that fact that it's against white people shouldn't matter. In order for any racially based legislation to be constitutional, it needs to protect EVERYONE EQUALLY, whether they are in the minority or not.TeKeo said:Yeah, we were talking about this one on the last page. It sounds like New Haven went way overboard in trying to avoid a disparate impact lawsuit. What would be interesting to see is the actual content of the test, because that's really the key to everything.Futureking said:Apparently, a group of firemen took a promotion test. The results were declared null because no black person passed the test. And the class action suit was dismissed by the judge.
http://newsblaze.com/story/200905271345 ... story.html
Frankly, I really wish that people get promoted based on their ability rather than the colour of their skin.
The reason the government brought up in trial, the reason that caused the courts to throw the lawsuit out, was that the government could have been sued successfully for discrimination if they DIDN'T invalidate the test. Why? Because Title VII (the relevant law) requires the government to consider the racial impacts of things like tests. I'll quote the relevant part:
"A selection rate for any race, sex, or ethnic group which is less than four-fifths (4/5) (or eighty percent) of the rate for the group with the highest rate will generally be regarded by the Federal enforcement agencies as evidence of adverse impact, while a greater than four-fifths rate will generally not be regarded by Federal enforcement agencies as evidence of adverse impact."
The rates at which blacks and hispanics passed the test were below 80% of the rate whites passed the test. Thus, the courts found that New Haven did have a good reason for being discriminatory, and the lawsuit was thrown out. Basically. It's a bit more complicated than all that, of course, and I'd suggest you read (http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian ... -case.html) if you want to know more of the story.
Now, I'm not sure if I agree with the ruling. I think the Supreme Court should probably overturn it. But in making the ruling, Sotomayor was following law and precedent - in fact, her problem in this case was a LACK of empathy, not an overabundance of it (like conservatives like to charge her with). She probably should have overturned some of the precedent that led her to this decision - but to simultaniously say she should only follow law and precendent, AND to say she made a bad decision on Ricci, is contradictory.
-- Sat May 30, 2009 4:23 pm --
Yes, and it really pisses me off. She graduated Summa Cum Laude from Princeton, for God's sake. Even if you think she got into Princeton due to affirmative action (which is laughable, as I'll explain below) she clearly proved that she belonged there. Then she went on to Yale Law School, becomming one of the editors of the Yale Law review. Again, that's an extremely high honor to earn, and you HAVE to earn it - race and sex just doesn't come into it.Futureking said:
Moreover, her gender actually HURT her in trying to get into Princeton. You see, Princeton only first admitted females a couple of years before she entered. Princeton was one of the last of the Ivies to become coeducational. There was a lot of resistance to admitting females. To pacify critics, when they first let women in, they explicitly said that they would not take the place of any man. Male attendance would have to remain at the same level; any slots for females would have to be increases in the schools population. Of course, there was only limited housing - so there was a quota for female admittance. Not a minimum quota, but a maximum! Far fewer females than males were admitted - there were four males for every female in her class. The acceptance rate for girls was 14% - for guys, 22%.
And the right wing says she didn't earn what she's gotten in life. What fucking hogwash.
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
So let me get this straight... it doesn't matter how good you are at something... it doesn't matter how hard you worked to get where you are... because if a group with a different color skin than you do worse as a group, you can have the thing you earned taken away from you because they MIGHT sue?? :explode:
And people wonder why people are calling for Revolution...
And people wonder why people are calling for Revolution...
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Dieb
As I said, I disagree with the ruling. But my God, to imply that REVOLUTION is the answer....the sense of entitlement required to say that, the historical blindness, is breathtaking.
Dieb
Oh come on. Are you really that blind to continuing discrimination in our society? Multiple studies have shown that if you send two resumes that are identical except for the names (one name being "white" and one being "black") the person with the white name will get hired more. It's only been 50 years since lynchings were pretty damn common and blatant discrimination was the norm. Things have changed a lot - but to pretend that things are completely ok now is rediculous.AshburnerX said:So let me get this straight... it doesn't matter how good you are at something... it doesn't matter how hard you worked to get where you are... because if a group with a different color skin than you do worse as a group, you can have the thing you earned taken away from you because they MIGHT sue?? :explode:
And people wonder why people are calling for Revolution...
As I said, I disagree with the ruling. But my God, to imply that REVOLUTION is the answer....the sense of entitlement required to say that, the historical blindness, is breathtaking.
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
Who said anything about wanting a revolution? I was simply saying that it's stupid, stupid things like this which are spurring people towards thinking about it, right and left wing alike. We've become a nation that thinks it's a better idea to simply hire nobody (in case somebody gets offended and decides to sue) than it is to hire people based on merit. It's not even about race anymore... it's about using whatever advantage you have to fuck over anybody who so much as looks at you wrong! Can we PLEASE get some personal accountability taught to our kids?Dieb said:Oh come on. Are you really that blind to continuing discrimination in our society? Multiple studies have shown that if you send two resumes that are identical except for the names (one name being "white" and one being "black") the person with the white name will get hired more. It's only been 50 years since lynchings were pretty damn common and blatant discrimination was the norm. Things have changed a lot - but to pretend that things are completely ok now is rediculous.AshburnerX said:So let me get this straight... it doesn't matter how good you are at something... it doesn't matter how hard you worked to get where you are... because if a group with a different color skin than you do worse as a group, you can have the thing you earned taken away from you because they MIGHT sue?? :explode:
And people wonder why people are calling for Revolution...
As I said, I disagree with the ruling. But my God, to imply that REVOLUTION is the answer....the sense of entitlement required to say that, the historical blindness, is breathtaking.
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Armadillo
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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GasBandit
GasBandit
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Lamont
Lamont
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Yeah, reading was the equivalent of a conservative blog on Democrats. Very one-sided and comical in its glossing of any facts. Who needs facts when we can charge things emotionally?Lamont said:
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Lamont
Lamont
Well, it's Pravda. Mind you, I'm sure GB posted the link just so we could share a good laugh. Thanks, GB!Edrondol said:Yeah, reading was the equivalent of a conservative blog on Democrats. Very one-sided and comical in its glossing of any facts. Who needs facts when we can charge things emotionally?Lamont said:
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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GasBandit
GasBandit
Yeah, you have to go to washington to get your left wing fap session. This one's mine.DarkAudit said:
Pravda being the only russian news source most people in the western hemisphere can name off the top of their heads... if they can name any at all :heythere:Lamont said:Well, it's Pravda. Mind you, I'm sure GB posted the link just so we could share a good laugh. Thanks, GB!
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
Pravda was a newspaper. The news agencies were Izvestia and TASS. Just off the top of my head.GasBandit said:Yeah, you have to go to washington to get your left wing fap session. This one's mine.DarkAudit said:
Pravda being the only russian news source most people in the western hemisphere can name off the top of their heads... if they can name any at all :heythere:Lamont said:Well, it's Pravda. Mind you, I'm sure GB posted the link just so we could share a good laugh. Thanks, GB!
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GasBandit
GasBandit
Congratulations on projecting your subjectivity.DarkAudit said:Pravda was a newspaper. The news agencies were Izvestia and TASS. Just off the top of my head.GasBandit said:Yeah, you have to go to washington to get your left wing fap session. This one's mine.DarkAudit said:
Pravda being the only russian news source most people in the western hemisphere can name off the top of their heads... if they can name any at all :heythere:Lamont said:Well, it's Pravda. Mind you, I'm sure GB posted the link just so we could share a good laugh. Thanks, GB!
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.
Come on, You're supposed to know this shit. Or are you losing your touch?
Come on, You're supposed to know this shit. Or are you losing your touch?
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GasBandit
Most people couldn't find moscow on a MAP.
GasBandit
And you're saying most people were in high school in the summer of 84?DarkAudit said:Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.
Come on, You're supposed to know this shit. Or are you losing your touch?
Most people couldn't find moscow on a MAP.
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
I wasn't talking about most people. I was talking about YOU. WTF does subjectivity have to do with knowing who was who?GasBandit said:And you're saying most people were in high school in the summer of 84?DarkAudit said:Oh hush. I was in junior high and high school during the Reagan years. Every few weeks there was one bit of propaganda or another coming down the pipe. Especially in the summer of '84.
Come on, You're supposed to know this poop. Or are you losing your touch?
Most people couldn't find moscow on a MAP.
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GasBandit
GasBandit
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DarkAudit
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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Troll
Troll
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GasBandit
GasBandit
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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Dieb
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Armadillo
Armadillo
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Dieb
Dieb
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Bubble181
So he approves of polygamy and marriage to farm animals?aranoid: 
Bubble181
So he approves of polygamy and marriage to farm animals?
aranoid:
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Kitty Sinatra
Kitty Sinatra
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Bubble181
:slywink:
We'll meet up in Vegas.
-- Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:33 am --
Dibs on being the man in the relationship on the wedding night!
Bubble181
:slywink: We'll meet up in Vegas.
-- Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:33 am --
Dibs on being the man in the relationship on the wedding night!
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Lamont
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GasBandit
GasBandit
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AshburnerX
AshburnerX
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DarkAudit
DarkAudit
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GasBandit
GasBandit
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Dieb
Dieb
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Lamont
Lamont
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GasBandit
GasBandit
I meant it only as an illustration of the effects of tax policy upon the production of items we enjoy and the employment of americans. If we don't cut the tax breaks, other nations will, and thus the production will go overseas or perhaps not happen at all. Kotaku seems to have taken a big dump so I can't get in to pull a quote at the moment.Dieb said:
This shouldn't affect you at all if Citi is your bank. If it ever goes under (unlikely at this point) you'll get your money back from the FDIC. The Dow is just an index; a compilation of important stocks. It has prestige, sure, but it doesn't affect the bank in any way, shape, or form. [/quote]It's not a cause, it's an indicator. And it's a lot easier to be nonchalant about citi when one doesn't have their savings in them.
Hardly surprising. The man wrote, what, four books about Bush?[/quote:2wnpdn13]Plus there was that whole watergate thing.
The economy is better than expected (although it still shrank in the first quarter) because consumer spending is up. Why is consumer spending up? One of the reasons I, amoung others, argued for the stimulus is because it would increase optomism about the economy, which would increase consumer spending. Could it be that the pro-stimulus side was right? True, maybe this upswing in consumer spending is just a coincidence. But it's hardly evidence AGAINST the stimulus.[/quote:2wnpdn13] There are ways to increase economic activity without mortgaging the grandkids.
I actually don't think it was too boneheaded. He joked that President Obama should “make certain he doesn’t run around in East Harlem unidentified", referencing the recent shooting of a black police officer by a white police officer. Ok, he shouldn't have brought the President into this, as he admitted.. But the article suggests that "Mayor Bloomberg and others were furious that Rangel suggested race was an issue in the shooting". Oh come on. After all the history in New York with police shootings, including police-on-police, you'd have to be an idiot to NOT think race was an issue here.[/quote:2wnpdn13]No, just someone who doesn't see race affecting every single thing in the world. But the implication was clearly a racist jest.
Well, (A) the intended audience is college students, and (B), as illustrated by de Tocqueville, leftists are pretty much children developmentallyLamont said:
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DarkAudit
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Dieb
"An outside investigation would help assure the minority community that the incident was "just a mistake," added the veteran lawmaker.
"This is a tragic incident that requires the federal government to review what has happened to make certain that these type of things don't happen again," he said".
He seems to take the default position that it WAS just a mistake, but he wants an investigation just to make sure. How is this racist?
Dieb
Do you mean you have a savings account with them (in which case your money is as safe as houses - actually, a hell of a lot safer than houses are) or that you've invested money with them (given it to them to manage, in which case this wouldn't be a good indicator, but it'd hardly be the first bad indicator in the last few months) or have you invested money in them (own stock of theirs, in which case you've already lost nearly all your money). Big difference between all of those.GasBandit said:
Which he somehow managed to do in less than four books. Having read a couple of the Bush books, he's gone sadly downhill. "All the President's Men" is one of my favorite non-fiction books of all time. Maybe it was Berstein all along
Really? Racist jest? Implying that innoscent African Americans can be shot by the police isn't racist; it's a sad fact. Hell, here's an article that's just about the black police officers killed in NYC: (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/nyreg ... rds&st=cse). Sure, if he had said that this particular white officer was motivated by racism, that would be wrong; but he didn't. Actually, at the same time he said his jest, he also said:
"An outside investigation would help assure the minority community that the incident was "just a mistake," added the veteran lawmaker.
"This is a tragic incident that requires the federal government to review what has happened to make certain that these type of things don't happen again," he said".
He seems to take the default position that it WAS just a mistake, but he wants an investigation just to make sure. How is this racist?
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To be honest, my 8-year-old son would have told this guy to stop talking down to him and go fuck himself.
Only in more polite terms, of course. And, you know, in French.
Also, de Tocqueville would have laughed in your face about your usage of the word "liberal".
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College students in the US are mentally challenged?GasBandit said:Well, (A) the intended audience is college students, and (B), as illustrated by de Tocqueville, leftists are pretty much children developmentallyLamont said:
To be honest, my 8-year-old son would have told this guy to stop talking down to him and go fuck himself.
Only in more polite terms, of course. And, you know, in French.
Also, de Tocqueville would have laughed in your face about your usage of the word "liberal".
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If that's what you truly think, and you've written it all off as worth nothing more than mere emoticons, why even show up?
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That's some insightful and reasoned discussion, there, Lou.DarkAudit said:
If that's what you truly think, and you've written it all off as worth nothing more than mere emoticons, why even show up?
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It's spun you up, so it's obvious it's done it's job.GasBandit said:That's some insightful and reasoned discussion, there, Lou.DarkAudit said:
If that's what you truly think, and you've written it all off as worth nothing more than mere emoticons, why even show up?
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I may not subscribe to the Randian philosophies that Greenspan does, but even I agree with this. Yes, this would get bad if we let them fail... VERY, VERY BAD. We could possibly even have a depression rivaling that of the early 20th century. But we would recover and have better companies for it. It is not the job of the federal government to protect a floundering business.GasBandit said:
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I have no problem with this. Tell the ones who want to stay to shape up and hang the rest. Okay, maybe not hang... but don't give them any fucking golden parachutes. American companies need to get their heads out of their asses and stop using 1980's ethics in their business decisions.GasBandit said:
Sounds like an interesting idea. Perhaps we could go a step further and offer these homes to victims at a reduced market price to help stimulate the economy in the area too?GasBandit said:
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If anything, it's a downer, not a stimulant. I remember fondly when you used to at least spout some half-baked leftist pyorrhea in retort. Now you're just copping out.
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I wish it had spun me up. I'm here for the argument. I'm here for the conflict. You're buying a newspaper and then yelling to yourself for the listening enjoyment of everyone around you "I can't believe I bought this paper! It's garbage!" And doing the same thing tomorrow.. and the day after that.DarkAudit said:It's spun you up, so it's obvious it's done it's job.GasBandit said:That's some insightful and reasoned discussion, there, Lou.DarkAudit said:
If that's what you truly think, and you've written it all off as worth nothing more than mere emoticons, why even show up?
If anything, it's a downer, not a stimulant. I remember fondly when you used to at least spout some half-baked leftist pyorrhea in retort. Now you're just copping out.
The error was probably on the part of his speechwriter, and naturally Obama would assume things would get fact checked before being given to him. Regardless, it's not true. Well, everybody is more educated for it, now, including (hopefully) Obama.Espy said:
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Plus, when you do that you can get Gas to spout some absolutely brilliant BS
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Ah come on, the rest of us (minus JCM) still manage to have meaningful discussions with Gas, chill out! Relax! Don't take him too seriously and just enjoy some political banter. You complain about the right getting all righteous and making broad, sweeping statements etc, but at the moment you're not offering anything other than "They're being idiots so we should ignore them". How is that any better than what they're doing? Just step back, and argue effectively, it's much more fun.DarkAudit said:
Plus, when you do that you can get Gas to spout some absolutely brilliant BS
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That's because your house is a cabin in the woods, stocked full of guns, ammo, and canned foodArmadillo said:
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Whoa. Wait. Yours isn't? :aaahhh:AshburnerX said:That's because your house is a cabin in the woods, stocked full of guns, ammo, and canned foodArmadillo said:
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It has a lovely fire pit.AshburnerX said:That's because your house is a cabin in the woods, stocked full of guns, ammo, and canned foodArmadillo said:
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Mind you, the Left (or what's laughably referred to as the Left in the US) have Jon Stewart, so fair enough. I'm just happy Rush is doing a lot more damage to the Right than Stewart is to the Left.
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That's already pretty scary.Espy said:
Mind you, the Left (or what's laughably referred to as the Left in the US) have Jon Stewart, so fair enough. I'm just happy Rush is doing a lot more damage to the Right than Stewart is to the Left.
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To be fair, I've never seen Jon Stewart throw his weight around to get what he wants from anyone. He can do that with civility and charm, without trying to destroy anyone who crosses him.Lamont said:That's already pretty scary.Espy said:
Mind you, the Left (or what's laughably referred to as the Left in the US) have Jon Stewart, so fair enough. I'm just happy Rush is doing a lot more damage to the Right than Stewart is to the Left.
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Oh, I absolutely agree. I just wanted to head off any indignant mention of "Well the Left turn to a comedy show for their news" at the pass. But to my mind, the two men are not comparable.AshburnerX said:To be fair, I've never seen Jon Stewart throw his weight around to get what he wants from anyone. He can do that with civility and charm, without trying to destroy anyone who crosses him.Lamont said:That's already pretty scary.Espy said:
Mind you, the Left (or what's laughably referred to as the Left in the US) have Jon Stewart, so fair enough. I'm just happy Rush is doing a lot more damage to the Right than Stewart is to the Left.
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I love US kindergarten politics.Covar said:
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aranoid: Hehe.
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aranoid: Hehe.
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Imagine the dark days when there was no truce.
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aranoid: Hehe.[/quote:17rfxl86]Imagine the dark days when there was no truce.
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If I go *off* my meds, I'm a-gonna die. Maybe not right away, but much sooner than if I did take them.
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They actually brought up a legal point that gave me pause. Well done.
But seriously... could you get an article that actually has some meat to it? The one you linked doesn't say a whole lot.
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Even I had to raise my eyebrows at that one and I believe in weirder shit than that.GasBandit said:
I'm expecting riots. Should be fun to watchGasBandit said:
I was about to rush in here and say "Deport them, they are here illegally" but it does raise an interesting point. If we can't prove they are from Mexico legally, how exactly are we supposed to deport them? We can't make them tell us where they are from, the 5th amendment is a right that is almost universally granted in the US (the only exceptions I can think of would be Terrorist suspects that the US tortured, but we clearly didn't give a fuck about the Constitution in those cases anyway). Mexico won't take them unless we can prove they are Mexicans.GasBandit said:
They actually brought up a legal point that gave me pause. Well done.
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But seriously... could you get an article that actually has some meat to it? The one you linked doesn't say a whole lot.
If they are threatening to move their companies out of the US unless they get a better tax rate, they can go ahead. American companies should be employing American workers in order to make quality American products, and right now Software is one of the few products Americans can make really well outside of the entertainment industry. Yes, the current tax code helps with foreign market share, but Microsoft basically holds a monopoly on the operating systems of the entire world. They do not get to complain about losing market share when they don't have any competition.GasBandit said:
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Ha, well, don't worry about me, my blood pressure is the extremely low end of healty, actually. But it IS in the healthy range; no need to try to raise it, although I appreaciate the gestureGasBandit said:
Saying something is an untruth is a lot different than calling it a fraud. And I don't even think this rises to the level of untruth.
Once again, the judge disagrees with you. Probably because "the agents went into both homes looking for specific illegal immigrants on a "target list," who weren't found, court documents say". The agents were there for other people, didn't find them, so just arrested whomever they found there. The had no probable cause to believe that these people were illegal immigrants before they barged into their houses. It looks like a obvious violation of the fourth amendment and, hey, someone impartial who knows far more about the facts of the case and the law at hand than you or I agrees.
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Well, when I am NOT, people don't respondEdrondol said:
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And now for an interlude:
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Now that the CBO has panned the Kennedy health bill, the white house can't paddle away from it fast enough.
GOP aide forwards around racist joke in e-mail, causes furor.
Democrat house leadership, frustrated with republicans taking "too much time" to debate amendments to war funding bill (one of which happened to be a proposed amendment calling for probes into ACORN funding and the CIA-Pelosi stuff), announced at 6:30 pm that there would be no more votes that night. The republicans (and some democrats) went home... and then at 8:20 the DHL called for the votes. The vote was over by 9, 131 representatives didn't get back in time (or at all) to vote. I guess when due process gets in the way of ramrodding an agenda, it's just chucked out.
This is humorous ...HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says that the insurance lobby won't be able to block a government health plan because most Americans realize they would be better off if the industry had competition. There are currently 1300 insurance providing entities out there... the 1301st is going to be the the one that brings competition to the mix, especially when it starts putting the others out of business because it is the only one to receive subsidies?
Jimmy Carter wants the Obama administration to remove Hamas from the terrorist list.
Economist Nouriel Roubini believes that there is a significant risk that the US could experience a double-dip recession.
According to Rasmussen, 80% of Americans want the Obama administration to sell its stake in GM and Chrysler ASAP.
ABC has decided what side of its bread has the butter.
When it comes to voting, 83% of Americans support the idea of checking photo IDs in order to vote ... the Justice Department, however, disagrees. The Justice Department, you see, is controlled by Democrats.
GOP aide forwards around racist joke in e-mail, causes furor.
Democrat house leadership, frustrated with republicans taking "too much time" to debate amendments to war funding bill (one of which happened to be a proposed amendment calling for probes into ACORN funding and the CIA-Pelosi stuff), announced at 6:30 pm that there would be no more votes that night. The republicans (and some democrats) went home... and then at 8:20 the DHL called for the votes. The vote was over by 9, 131 representatives didn't get back in time (or at all) to vote. I guess when due process gets in the way of ramrodding an agenda, it's just chucked out.
This is humorous ...HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says that the insurance lobby won't be able to block a government health plan because most Americans realize they would be better off if the industry had competition. There are currently 1300 insurance providing entities out there... the 1301st is going to be the the one that brings competition to the mix, especially when it starts putting the others out of business because it is the only one to receive subsidies?
Jimmy Carter wants the Obama administration to remove Hamas from the terrorist list.
Economist Nouriel Roubini believes that there is a significant risk that the US could experience a double-dip recession.
According to Rasmussen, 80% of Americans want the Obama administration to sell its stake in GM and Chrysler ASAP.
ABC has decided what side of its bread has the butter.
When it comes to voting, 83% of Americans support the idea of checking photo IDs in order to vote ... the Justice Department, however, disagrees. The Justice Department, you see, is controlled by Democrats.
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So apparently, a protest is classified as "Low Level Terrorism."
Iran accused the United States of "intolerable" meddling in its internal affairs in regards to its recent "election." Meddling? Obama hasn't said squat! Sarkozy has been left to carry the ball on this one.
A guide to terminology in the Obama Age.
In a big blow to the healthcare bill, the Senate Finance Committee has postponed the markup of the bill until after the Fourth of July recess.
Meanwhile, Max Baucus says that he is going to strip $600 billion out of the healthcare bill in order to bring down the cost to a mere $1 trillion.
A visual representation of how badly the stimulus impact was midjudged-
Eureka! Global warming is caused by.... US Postal Service rate increases!
Iran accused the United States of "intolerable" meddling in its internal affairs in regards to its recent "election." Meddling? Obama hasn't said squat! Sarkozy has been left to carry the ball on this one.
A guide to terminology in the Obama Age.
In a big blow to the healthcare bill, the Senate Finance Committee has postponed the markup of the bill until after the Fourth of July recess.
Meanwhile, Max Baucus says that he is going to strip $600 billion out of the healthcare bill in order to bring down the cost to a mere $1 trillion.
A visual representation of how badly the stimulus impact was midjudged-
Eureka! Global warming is caused by.... US Postal Service rate increases!
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Oh and one more.. it's 1934 all over again -
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This obviously bothers you a whole lot more than it does me, so believe whatever floats your boat. I'm not missing any point, but thank you for making that assumptionArmadillo said:
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It's just the arrogance and entitlement mentality that gets to me. Believe me, I'm not stewing on this 24/7 or anything, but I do tend to think that politicians from the two major parties are, with a few exceptions, pond scum, yet they think they're oh-so-important.Krisken said:This obviously bothers you a whole lot more than it does me, so believe whatever floats your boat. I'm not missing any point, but thank you for making that assumptionArmadillo said:
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And as to the Case of the Disappearing Governor?
The Washington Times are a little behind in their reporting. This is kinda old news, isn't it?GasBandit said:
And as to the Case of the Disappearing Governor?
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Consider the source. The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies.Edrondol said:The Washington Times are a little behind in their reporting. This is kinda old news, isn't it?GasBandit said:
And as to the Case of the Disappearing Governor?
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And who didn't see THAT coming? 
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Your right... why blame his actions on malevolence, when it's far, far simpler to blame them on incompetence!GasBandit said:
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But clearly the miltary stepping in is unacceptable.
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No, true, you're right, it was supposed to be a non-binding referendum. I'm obviously no expert on Honduran constitutional law either, but I figure hey, their Supreme Court probably iszero said:
But clearly the miltary stepping in is unacceptable.
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Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
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Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
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Well, not like Norm was doing us any favors but Franken is... well... a nut.Armadillo said:Shakey said:
Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
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Given the chance to do it again, I'd still vote for Barkley.
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At least Norm wouldn't have given the Dems a filibuster-proof majority. (shudder)Espy said:Well, not like Norm was doing us any favors but Franken is... well... a nut.Armadillo said:Shakey said:
Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
Given the chance to do it again, I'd still vote for Barkley.
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Same here. Doesn't sound like we're done with Norm though. He's thinking about running for Governor next year.Armadillo said:At least Norm wouldn't have given the Dems a filibuster-proof majority. (shudder)Espy said:Well, not like Norm was doing us any favors but Franken is... well... a nut.Armadillo said:Shakey said:
Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
Given the chance to do it again, I'd still vote for Barkley.
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Even with the Senate leadership applying pressure, it's not as if every Democrat senator's always going to be pointed in the same direction.
It gives the Dems an advantage, but far from an insurmountable one - and let's face it, filibustering may be a useful tool in certain circumstances, but it's a really cheap way to block a piece of legislation.
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A filibuster-proof majority of one person? Sounds pretty tenuous to me.Armadillo said:At least Norm wouldn't have given the Dems a filibuster-proof majority. (shudder)Espy said:Well, not like Norm was doing us any favors but Franken is... well... a nut.Armadillo said:Shakey said:
Al Franken's our senator. Jesus Christ...
Given the chance to do it again, I'd still vote for Barkley.
Even with the Senate leadership applying pressure, it's not as if every Democrat senator's always going to be pointed in the same direction.
It gives the Dems an advantage, but far from an insurmountable one - and let's face it, filibustering may be a useful tool in certain circumstances, but it's a really cheap way to block a piece of legislation.
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That's one example. They've been linked to here several times already so I'm not going to go find it all again, if you want to go dig around the Star Tribune, have fun. Let me point out though, I'm not a sore loser, I didn't vote for Coleman and frankly I don't give a damn who does or doesn't think Franken stole the election, because it doesn't make a difference. I just live here and read the paper and watch the news and saw the problems and conflicts of interested that happened, what bothers me is the sketchy nature of the whole thing and it simply furthers my view of corruption on both parties.
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That's one example. They've been linked to here several times already so I'm not going to go find it all again, if you want to go dig around the Star Tribune, have fun. Let me point out though, I'm not a sore loser, I didn't vote for Coleman and frankly I don't give a damn who does or doesn't think Franken stole the election, because it doesn't make a difference. I just live here and read the paper and watch the news and saw the problems and conflicts of interested that happened, what bothers me is the sketchy nature of the whole thing and it simply furthers my view of corruption on both parties.
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http://senaterecount.startribune.com/me ... allot6.pdf
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you can't image tag a pdf.Espy said:Krisken said:
That's one example. They've been linked to here several times already so I'm not going to go find it all again, if you want to go dig around the Star Tribune, have fun. Let me point out though, I'm not a sore loser, I didn't vote for Coleman and frankly I don't give a damn who does or doesn't think Franken stole the election, because it doesn't make a difference. I just live here and read the paper and watch the news and saw the problems and conflicts of interested that happened, what bothers me is the sketchy nature of the whole thing and it simply furthers my view of corruption on both parties.
http://senaterecount.startribune.com/me ... allot6.pdf
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It seems like a petty challenge. Was this one that was thrown out?
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I didn't think I implied you were a sore loser, but if it seemed I did, I apologize. I can't see the image (covered by Gas while I was writing), but I'll go to the Star Tribune to see exactly what you are referring to.Espy said:Krisken said:
That's one example. They've been linked to here several times already so I'm not going to go find it all again, if you want to go dig around the Star Tribune, have fun. Let me point out though, I'm not a sore loser, I didn't vote for Coleman and frankly I don't give a damn who does or doesn't think Franken stole the election, because it doesn't make a difference. I just live here and read the paper and watch the news and saw the problems and conflicts of interested that happened, what bothers me is the sketchy nature of the whole thing and it simply furthers my view of corruption on both parties.
It seems like a petty challenge. Was this one that was thrown out?
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Brilliant! Love it. A perfect description of the health service that applies in absolutely no way at all to the actual health service. Way to slag off Obama's plan? Make up some sweeping generalisations about a vaguely similar system? Check!
That quote is comic gold.
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Brilliant! Love it. A perfect description of the health service that applies in absolutely no way at all to the actual health service. Way to slag off Obama's plan? Make up some sweeping generalisations about a vaguely similar system? Check!
That quote is comic gold.
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Just posted a thread on this.
This is horrible news.
I'm completely devestated - Now she will constantly be in the news. :waah:
Honestly, the Republican Party has to look beyond such daftie as her.
This is horrible news.
I'm completely devestated - Now she will constantly be in the news. :waah:
Honestly, the Republican Party has to look beyond such daftie as her.
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Oh, you mean non-fiction is for liberals?[/quote:2gdgzcis]Krisken said:
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As for the linked article:
Armadillo
But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.Krisken said:
As for the linked article:
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Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
this might be a better resource for you.
Krisken
Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?Armadillo said:But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.Krisken said:
As for the linked article:
Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
this might be a better resource for you.
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My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
Armadillo
No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.Krisken said:Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?Armadillo said:But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.Krisken said:
As for the linked article:
Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
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My response was more to the first statement you made. I try very hard to avoid the "Well, George Bush did it, so Obama doing it less bad isn't so bad" type of argument, and it seemed as though that was where you were going.Armadillo said:No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.Krisken said:Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?Armadillo said:But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.Krisken said:
As for the linked article:
Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
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Now that I re-read what I typed, I can see where you'd get that sentiment. Rest assured, I am not defending this woman in any way, shape or form.Krisken said:My response was more to the first statement you made. I try very hard to avoid the "Well, George Bush did it, so Obama doing it less bad isn't so bad" type of argument, and it seemed as though that was where you were going.Armadillo said:No, no...her quotes were the cause of the headdesk. She's a brain-dead moron of the highest caliber, on that you will get no argument from me.Krisken said:Who's racist remarks are being ignored? Or are you just trying to justify her remarks? You realize that saying "well, that guy does it" doesn't make it ok, right?Armadillo said:But we'll continue to ignore the racist remarks and soft bigotry of low expectations from the Democrat side of the aisle. Of course.
As for the linked article:
Armadillo, read this. It will help you, believe me.
My issue has more to do with the overarching "Republicans are racists" bit of BS that permeates through stories like these and the reactions people have to them. Just because one ubertwit who happens to think she's a Republican posts a racist brain-dump doesn't make the entire conservative movement a bunch of KKK wannabes. My point is that neither side has a corner on civility or stupidity.
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Espy said:
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Huh... I wonder what her Persona will be...Jake said:Espy said:
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Hold it men... she's not bluffing.Jake said:Espy said:
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I wouldn't tolerate this from Republicans, so I'm DEFINITELY not going to tolerate it from the people who should fucking know better.GasBandit said:
As a member of the Buckeye State myself, I can honestly say that I'm not surprised. I live about 10-15 minutes out of Columbus and this whole area has gone to shit over the last 10-12 years. Racial tensions are at their breaking point because of the huge number of immigrants that keep moving in by the thousands each year (not just from Mexico ether... we have Ukrainians, Chinese, Somalians, and lots of folks from the Middle East.) I can remember a time when I was young when I could sit outside in the middle of the night and not have to worry about anything... now its a good day when I don't hear gunshots.GasBandit said:
I'm sorry, but I can't take an article serious when in the FIRST SENTENCE they call Obama a "Looney Tunes President". I also find it hilarious that a European news agency is actually criticizing the US for not intervening enough in their affairs. So it's okay for us to save their asses by potentially giving them a Missile Defense system, but it's not okay for us to pro-actively assert ourselves to prevent conflicts? Also... just who the fuck do these people think they are to even pretend to tell us what to do with our nuclear stockpile?GasBandit said:
If we captured them on US soil or inside US territorial waters, then I could see somebody possibly making an argument that these people have rights under the US Constitution (and if they are citizens of the US, the should get them without question). However, this would mainly apply to people rotting in Guantanamo. Anybody captured abroad (who isn't a US citizen) should go to Military Tribunal. You don't get the rights of an American until you step foot inside America.GasBandit said:
Here's the question you should be asking yourself before you complain about it: If this had been a Jewish or Muslim festival, would the US government have even considered doing a fly-over for them 42 years ago? Oh, and this...GasBandit said:
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Don't worry, use Europeans don't take it seriously either. That guy is just nuts.
Oh, and this...
Mr_Chaz
AshburnerX said:
Don't worry, use Europeans don't take it seriously either. That guy is just nuts.
Oh, and this...
We're the innocent victims of any world destroying nuclear war
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ThatGrinningIdiot!
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BlackCrossCrusader said:
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ThatGrinningIdiot!
ThatGrinningIdiot!
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Such a nice little dittohead.
No matter how much you try to scream "libertarian", there's no one who can prevent any of your favorite planks from being stolen by the GOP. No one at all.
You're a tool, a troll, and a tool. You try to deny with one hand while the other faps to the sound of Rush's voice.
No matter how much you try to scream "libertarian", there's no one who can prevent any of your favorite planks from being stolen by the GOP. No one at all.
You're a tool, a troll, and a tool. You try to deny with one hand while the other faps to the sound of Rush's voice.
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when is enough? :moon:
DarkAudit
Your admitted purpose is to stir up shit, nothing more. So why should I feel the need to post more thanGasBandit said:
when is enough? :moon:
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I just don't have the energy to build a meaningful post that will just be responded to with the same tired talking points. Especially if all he really wants is
Krisken
I don't mind it being here. I'll counter with the same level of enthusiasm put in the original posts thoughEdrondol said:
I just don't have the energy to build a meaningful post that will just be responded to with the same tired talking points. Especially if all he really wants is
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I'm curious why you feel the need to click on this thread at all. Are you just that masochistic?DarkAudit said:Your admitted purpose is to stir up shit, nothing more. So why should I feel the need to post more than
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I hate myself so.
Krisken
It's true, it's TRUE!ZenMonkey said:I'm curious why you feel the need to click on this thread at all. Are you just that masochistic?DarkAudit said:Your admitted purpose is to stir up shit, nothing more. So why should I feel the need to post more than
I hate myself so.
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My wife smokes a pack a day. She's either going to have to quit or divorce me and marry Bill Gates' richer brother.DarkAudit said:Why ban smoking when you can charge $23 quadrillion for a pack of cigarettes?
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GasBandit
Work continues to kick my ass this week, so links are suffering
Sotomayor circus, day two.
The Wall Street Journal has an excellent explanation of how the Democrats are managing to increase taxes and redistribute the wealth, all in the name of "healthcare reform." So now that the Democrats have their plans to tax the filthy, evil, disgusting rich to pay for it, here's how these tax increases are going to affect over 1 million small businesses in America. And what does the Congressional Business Office have to say about the whole thing?
Get this ... liberal Democrats are increasingly concerned that White House economists are too centrist and "theoretical" to fix the economy. Too centrist??
Talk about a government hack with a typical ego.
Sotomayor circus, day two.
The Wall Street Journal has an excellent explanation of how the Democrats are managing to increase taxes and redistribute the wealth, all in the name of "healthcare reform." So now that the Democrats have their plans to tax the filthy, evil, disgusting rich to pay for it, here's how these tax increases are going to affect over 1 million small businesses in America. And what does the Congressional Business Office have to say about the whole thing?
Get this ... liberal Democrats are increasingly concerned that White House economists are too centrist and "theoretical" to fix the economy. Too centrist??
Talk about a government hack with a typical ego.
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Hehe, ThanksGasBandit said:
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But perhaps Gas isn't trying to post Libertarian links? He may be a Libertarian himself but what's that got to do with the links he's posting? He's posting links to get people talking. What's wrong with that? If you respond carefully and in a well thought out manner he tends to respond in kind. And that's why this thread exists, because some of us are happy to do thatDarkAudit said:
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He's not posting links to "get people talking". He's posting links to troll, didn't you know that? He said so himself... often.
What's wrong is as much as he claims to be Libertarian, it's all the same old far-right drivel. They're talking points and blogs. Not news. The Libertarians are a sad joke, and he knows it. Because they cannot stop the others on the right from annexing their ideas as their own, subverting them, and totally discrediting the Libertarian message. Which doesn't seem to be anything more than "no taxes!" and "no government spending!", which isn't much of a message to begin with.
oh.. and :aaahhh:
What's wrong is as much as he claims to be Libertarian, it's all the same old far-right drivel. They're talking points and blogs. Not news. The Libertarians are a sad joke, and he knows it. Because they cannot stop the others on the right from annexing their ideas as their own, subverting them, and totally discrediting the Libertarian message. Which doesn't seem to be anything more than "no taxes!" and "no government spending!", which isn't much of a message to begin with.
oh.. and
:aaahhh:
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GasBandit
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Darkaudit clearly still doesn't get it. This isn't "Gas Bandit's Libertarian Advancement Thread," it's GB's POLITICAL thread. Which means the only prerequisite I have for posting something here is it is political in nature... and of course, because it's me, I also want the item to get someone's dander up, so that debate ensues. I could post all day long about the superiority of the Libertarian platform and nobody would read it, much less reply to it. It's been done to death multiple times. I could also just post political items nobody has a problem with, which nobody would reply to either, which ends with the same result. I try to find freshly developing political stories that interest me, and link them here. There's not a lot of "emerging libertarian candidates" in the news today. That doesn't mean I stop being a libertarian.
Anyway, here's some links for today.
Folks in Alabama are getting bent out of shape over a billboard put up by the Alabama Freethought Association that say things like "Imagine No Religion. - Freedom From Religion Foundation"
Girl .
Remember last week when I posted about a House plan to force GM and Chrysler to reinstate dealerships slated to close? Barack Obama says that he opposes the plan. Obama got one right. Mark your goddamned calendar, Darkaudit, so you won't forget I said that
Here's a handy chart to help you understand how healthcare will work under the proposed national health care legislation.
The federal government and all of these stimulus packages are really creating a lot of jobs in this economy ..... or not.
A South Carolina judge has ruled that state law barring underage drinking is unconstitutional.
To find an auto plant that is hiring workers and earning a profit, you may have to go to ... Poland?
Anyway, here's some links for today.
Folks in Alabama are getting bent out of shape over a billboard put up by the Alabama Freethought Association that say things like "Imagine No Religion. - Freedom From Religion Foundation"
Girl .
Remember last week when I posted about a House plan to force GM and Chrysler to reinstate dealerships slated to close? Barack Obama says that he opposes the plan. Obama got one right. Mark your goddamned calendar, Darkaudit, so you won't forget I said that
Here's a handy chart to help you understand how healthcare will work under the proposed national health care legislation.
The federal government and all of these stimulus packages are really creating a lot of jobs in this economy ..... or not.
A South Carolina judge has ruled that state law barring underage drinking is unconstitutional.
To find an auto plant that is hiring workers and earning a profit, you may have to go to ... Poland?
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I'm well past the drinking age, but since this is a college town, the story is going to get a lot of attention.
(and isn't this kind of thing more important to the general populace than the abortion, abortion, abortion litmus test?)
DarkAudit
This is gonna get messy. Very messy. It was back in the early 80s (under Reagan, but that's neither here nor there) that most states had a drinking age of 18, and the federal government put pressure on the states to raise it to 21 by threatening their federal highway funding. The same way they strong-armed states to lower the speed limit to 55 back in the early 70's. It's been a favorite tactic of administrations on both sides of the aisle to get states to fall in line.GasBandit said:
I'm well past the drinking age, but since this is a college town, the story is going to get a lot of attention.
(and isn't this kind of thing more important to the general populace than the abortion, abortion, abortion litmus test?)
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We need to call it "Transitioning" offer and Estate Tax Exemptions to those that offer to go throught it. But hey, at least we've found a way to make Social Security solvent: By killing everyone over 70!GasBandit said:
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I like our current system: killing everyone who doesn't make $100,000 a year because they can't afford health care and are literally dying in the streets of treatable diseases.AshburnerX said:We need to call it \"Transitioning\" offer Estate Tax Exemptions to those that offer to go throught it. But hey, at least we've found a way to make Social Security solvent: By killing everyone over 70!
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Covar
see this is why I don't live in a blue city.Kissinger said:I like our current system: killing everyone who doesn't make $100,000 a year because they can't afford health care and are literally dying in the streets of treatable diseases.AshburnerX said:We need to call it \"Transitioning\" offer Estate Tax Exemptions to those that offer to go throught it. But hey, at least we've found a way to make Social Security solvent: By killing everyone over 70!
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GasBandit
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So do you live in Canada or the UK? Because the very link I provided above shows you we've got the best survival rates around. Certainly better than countries that try to have government-run universal healthcare.Kissinger said:I like our current system: killing everyone who doesn't make $100,000 a year because they can't afford health care and are literally dying in the streets of treatable diseases.AshburnerX said:We need to call it \"Transitioning\" offer Estate Tax Exemptions to those that offer to go throught it. But hey, at least we've found a way to make Social Security solvent: By killing everyone over 70!
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Armadillo
Seriously Kissinger, what the fuck are you talking about?
Armadillo
I had a lovely day today after I got out of class: a nice lunch at a mom-and-pop place in NE Minneapolis, a little shopping at Target for some home necessities, and a visit to Kramarczuk's Deli to pick up ingredients for tonight's bratwurst cookout. All of this was accomplished without being inconvenienced by the massive piles of dead bodies strewn all about.Kissinger said:I like our current system: killing everyone who doesn't make $100,000 a year because they can't afford health care and are literally dying in the streets of treatable diseases.AshburnerX said:We need to call it \"Transitioning\" offer Estate Tax Exemptions to those that offer to go throught it. But hey, at least we've found a way to make Social Security solvent: By killing everyone over 70!
Seriously Kissinger, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Here, I'm going to get this out of the way and never post it again, just to cover all my bases.
Edit: I wonder if any of them showed for anyone else... mine just says "Image"
Edit 2: There we go.
Edit: I wonder if any of them showed for anyone else... mine just says "Image"
Edit 2: There we go.
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To change subjects, read Washington Posts' fake Obama facebook.
Click on the green corner to enlarge, its hilarious
Click on the green corner to enlarge, its hilarious
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GasBandit
Pelosi: "The glory days are coming to an end for the health insurance industry."
Another must-read column from Charles Krauthammer on the evolution of Obama's healthcare reform.
Tim Geithner says that unemployment may not peak until the second half of 2010
Thousands of decaying bridges must wait for repairs because states are spending stimulus money on easier projects like repaving roads.
Even the New York Times admits that Barack Obama's pledge to only increase taxes on the rich won't hold.
Behold our medical future.
Students working at summer jobs that are funded by federal stimulus money are wondering when the government is going to pay them.
Dayton just experienced the second coolest July on record.
A Rasmussen Reports survey finds that 75% of Americans are in favor of auditing the Fed.
Coming soon to the United States.
A 25-year-old woman by the name of Laura Ripley was such a lardass that the government considered her disabled. So the taxpayers fork over $15,000 so she can have a weight loss surgery. She loses enough weight to the point where the government no longer considers her disabled. Now Laura Ripley is throwing a fit. Do you know why? Because the government reduced her welfare checks because she is no longer disabled. Now she says that she can't afford healthy food and she is starting to gain weight.
Consider this ... this woman has never held a job in her life. She is a mooch. She is a looter. She is a welfare broodmare. She gets paid by the taxpayers to sit on her fat ass and contribute NOTHING to society. With that, she goes to the National Health Service to get this weight loss surgery. Then after she loses the weight, she complains because now she has less moocher money to pay for her bon bons and tea biscuits. She says, 'I can't afford to buy Weight Watchers crisps and cereal bars any more so I eat Tesco's chocolate bars and packets of Space Invaders crisps, sometimes four of each a day ... People ask why I don't snack on an apple - they're cheap, but emotionally I don't always feel like an apple.'
Not only that, but she blames the government for treating her unfairly and causing her to gain weight again. 'It's heartbreaking that after all my hard work losing this weight someone's come along and ruined it.' That's right. It's not her personal responsibility. It is the government's fault.
Another must-read column from Charles Krauthammer on the evolution of Obama's healthcare reform.
Tim Geithner says that unemployment may not peak until the second half of 2010
Thousands of decaying bridges must wait for repairs because states are spending stimulus money on easier projects like repaving roads.
Even the New York Times admits that Barack Obama's pledge to only increase taxes on the rich won't hold.
Behold our medical future.
Students working at summer jobs that are funded by federal stimulus money are wondering when the government is going to pay them.
Dayton just experienced the second coolest July on record.
A Rasmussen Reports survey finds that 75% of Americans are in favor of auditing the Fed.
Coming soon to the United States.
A 25-year-old woman by the name of Laura Ripley was such a lardass that the government considered her disabled. So the taxpayers fork over $15,000 so she can have a weight loss surgery. She loses enough weight to the point where the government no longer considers her disabled. Now Laura Ripley is throwing a fit. Do you know why? Because the government reduced her welfare checks because she is no longer disabled. Now she says that she can't afford healthy food and she is starting to gain weight.
Consider this ... this woman has never held a job in her life. She is a mooch. She is a looter. She is a welfare broodmare. She gets paid by the taxpayers to sit on her fat ass and contribute NOTHING to society. With that, she goes to the National Health Service to get this weight loss surgery. Then after she loses the weight, she complains because now she has less moocher money to pay for her bon bons and tea biscuits. She says, 'I can't afford to buy Weight Watchers crisps and cereal bars any more so I eat Tesco's chocolate bars and packets of Space Invaders crisps, sometimes four of each a day ... People ask why I don't snack on an apple - they're cheap, but emotionally I don't always feel like an apple.'
Not only that, but she blames the government for treating her unfairly and causing her to gain weight again. 'It's heartbreaking that after all my hard work losing this weight someone's come along and ruined it.' That's right. It's not her personal responsibility. It is the government's fault.
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And brits complain about our systems of measurment
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Fair enough.
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I'm glad they're safe, but give a big for having to save people from their own stupidity. It's like having to spend thousands of dollars to save people who tried to climb a mountain in a blizzard.
for having to save people from their own stupidity. It's like having to spend thousands of dollars to save people who tried to climb a mountain in a blizzard.
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SpecialKO
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JCM
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Just to toss this in-
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