Explosion at boston marathon
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It's because weIs this the part of theclassforum where all thecool boystrolls rate all thegirlswebsites in terms of hotness?
Because I was never included in that.
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anyways, I'm glad this guy was caught, and I'm glad people on reddit helped out the law enforcement community of New England, whom I don't have anything bad to say regarding the whole ordeal.
I'm actually very surprised he was caught alive.
Perhaps he has his head screwed on straight. Get rid of all the evidence of weapons and explosives before capture, and you've limited your exposure just a little more. It only takes reasonable doubt.
I'm quite amazed that these guys honestly thought they were going to get away with it. Or at least I assume that is the case. If they wanted to be caught, I doubt the shootouts and the pursuit would have happened. Instead, based on interviews from friends and schoolmates, these guys played it totally cool. Looking at the videos there is absolutely no real attempt to hide their faces. Were these guys just blissfully unaware that we entered a digital age years ago, with security cameras on every corner and shutterbugs taking hundreds of pictures and video on their iphones from every conceivable angle?
That's also a HUGE amount of evidence to sift through, Shawnacy. There was an excellent chance they'd have just been overlooked in the investigation, even if only for a day or two. That would have been plenty of time for them to escape if they had actually thought this through. If they'd bought plane tickets back to Chechnya and just flown out immediately after the bombing, they'd have been scott free and then we'd need the Chechnya/Russian government to extradite them.
Really, if they'd been smarter, they could have gotten away with this easily.
Really, if they'd been smarter, they could have gotten away with this easily.
I agree that they could have gotten away scott free fairly easily. I don't see how their identities wouldn't have been revealed at some point, but if they were out of the country by then, then yeah, we'd have difficulty tracking them down. But as soon as those security photos went up I'm sure anyone who took photos of the event were going through them to find clearer images, exactly like the ones that popped up on Reddit. They were so clear that anyone who knew the suspects would have had to have instantly recognized them.
The smarter thing to do would have been to spend an entire day + night driving to a completely different state/city. Then catch a plane to Europe. Wait a day, taxi out to another city than the one they arrived in, then fly to Chech. The trail would have been so cold/complicated it'd have never tracked them fully.
It wouldn't have mattered once they hit Chech soil: Chechnya is in the Russian Federation. They sure as hell aren't going to extradite one of their own to the US and the US isn't going to risk open conflict with Russia by sending a team in to extract them. Chechnya could do it against Russia's will, but then they'd have tanks in the streets like Georgia.
My point is, they either wouldn't have found them, or it'd have taken months at the least to even track them that far.
That would have been the real way they could have spread terror. I can only imagine how long it would have haunted people to know they were still out there and free, with no clue as to where they were. Everytime there was a bombing or threat, it would have been high alert because of them. That would have been terrible.
Let's just be glad they didn't have that kind of foresight.
It's so weird, it's like a suicide bomber's thoughts -I just need to get the bomb off, nothing after that matters- but they didn't suicide.
I'm not so sure. It isn't in Russian interests to be seen either domestically or internationally as going soft on terrorism, witness steps by Washington and the Kremlin in the aftermath of the Boston bombing. Russia has it's own problems with terrorists, both actual terrorists in the Caucasus, and general separatists the government sees convenient to label as terrorists. In any event I doubt they would have wanted to be seen as condoning acts of terror, given their domestic situation.
Perhaps the suspects wouldn't have been extradited (without some quid pro quo) had they reached Chechnya, but I doubt they'd have gotten away scott free. I think most likely they would have been arrested, with the Russians wanting to try them in Russia, and to serve their sentences there. Which might not have been a bad thing from a vengeance point of view, as I've heard russian jails really aren't very nice places. If the US agreed to this, fine. If they gave something in return for extraditing the suspects to the US (such as some co-operation regarding the Caucasus situation), good. If the US did not agree to any of this, no matter; Russia loses nothing, and possession is nine-tenths of the law anyway.
Seems like they wanted to do a string of bombings though.
Dave
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Flying to Russia wouldn't have done them any good. Russia has been telling the FBI for months that the older brother had become radicalized and was a danger to others. And the FBI did NOTHING!
So all this talk and fear-mongering about terrorists and they don't follow up on leads to an actual one?!? You just know Obama's hair is getting grayer and grayer because of crap like this.
So all this talk and fear-mongering about terrorists and they don't follow up on leads to an actual one?!? You just know Obama's hair is getting grayer and grayer because of crap like this.
Also, apparently the Russians send out notices like this every single time someone from that region (or whose family is from that region) goes back there. So they've basically spammed the FBI with virus warnings for years, and the FBI has apparently started just ignoring them (or putting them on low-to-no priority, anyways).
It just sounds like a big clusterfuck.
It just sounds like a big clusterfuck.
Dave
Staff member
I did not know that. Good information.
Dave
Staff member
And now the kicker:
Boston Bomber might walk due to rights violations during questioning.
Now, this doesn't mean he'll automatically be acquitted, but any statements he made during his time with the FBI might be thrown out, which means the case will be much more difficult to prosecute, which means his chances have gone up considerably. He'll still probably be convicted, but the government's case has just gotten considerably more difficult to prove.
Boston Bomber might walk due to rights violations during questioning.
Now, this doesn't mean he'll automatically be acquitted, but any statements he made during his time with the FBI might be thrown out, which means the case will be much more difficult to prosecute, which means his chances have gone up considerably. He'll still probably be convicted, but the government's case has just gotten considerably more difficult to prove.
This should still be a slam dunk conviction. There is far too much physical evidence that places him with the bombs and bombing.
I could see the exigent circumstances argument being used.... but only up to the point where they found out there were no other explosive devices involved.... much past that, and it gets harder for them to justify questioning.
Too bad we don't have a "Needs an unlock" rating.It appears someone forgot the thread he was posting in was locked
--Patrick
holy shit, this is horrible:
I can at least hope this massive violation of rights could at least save this kid from the death penalty
You know he did not knock over the corner store.