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Do you identify as a feminist?
- Thread starter Charlie Don't Surf
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And just to throw this out there: solipsistic introjection
"Lacking any kind of visual face-to-face cues, the human mind will assign characteristics and traits to a "person" in interactions on the Internet. Reading another person's message may insert imagined images of what a person looks like or sounds like into the mind, and mentally assigns an identity to these things. The mind will associate traits to a user according to our own desires, needs, and wishes – traits that the real person might not actually have."
"Lacking any kind of visual face-to-face cues, the human mind will assign characteristics and traits to a "person" in interactions on the Internet. Reading another person's message may insert imagined images of what a person looks like or sounds like into the mind, and mentally assigns an identity to these things. The mind will associate traits to a user according to our own desires, needs, and wishes – traits that the real person might not actually have."
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makare
How a person speaks is not as important as what is said and it is perfectly reliable to base an assessment on what he/she says.
Considering how often people misread verbal or physical cues in person it is not really an issue online either.
Considering how often people misread verbal or physical cues in person it is not really an issue online either.
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Chazwozel
Holy shit! And you're going to be a lawyer?
How a message is delivered pretty much can make or break an argument in politics, business, law, and in some cases, yes, even science.
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makare
Yeah, and you're not.
Let's think about this.
Let's think about this.
Holy shit! And you're going to be a lawyer?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense considering her background.
Makare, in your reciting, on a dare, cross your arms and stare at the ground. I think you'll be shocked just how important it is.
Holy shit! And you're going to be a lawyer?
How a message is delivered pretty much can make or break an argument in politics, business, law, and in some cases, yes, even science.[/QUOTE]
Nixon won that debate Dave dammit!
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makare
yeah that would be where that context thing I mentioned comes in.
and i sit in a chair when i recite so my body language isn't really important but even if i were standing and presenting I could be as poised as possible but if the stuff coming out of my mouth is wrong that would be the deciding issue.
and i sit in a chair when i recite so my body language isn't really important but even if i were standing and presenting I could be as poised as possible but if the stuff coming out of my mouth is wrong that would be the deciding issue.
Your body language is always important. The stuff coming out of your mouth can also be 100% correct, but interpreted as wrong by your eye movement, hand motion, posture, tenor of your voice, breathing, etc.
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Chazwozel
So you're saying a lawyer would win a case if he showed up to court all "unmanicured", spat on the floor, scowled at the judge and jury, and scratched his balls even though his argument was 100% airtight? I somehow doubt it. Hell, making people believe and convincing them based on your demeanor and delivery is what your job is all about.
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makare
And how does any of that relate to being able to assess what kind of person someone is by how they behave online (the topic of this conversation)? Especially considering it is a one shot thing but instead an going, year by year, analysis?
Ok.... being a lawyer, in the courtroom at least, IS all about persona. It isn't who you really are it is merely a performance. It is goal oriented. That has nothing to do with how those things relate to interactions in everyday online or offline life.
That is like trying to make conclusions about teenagers by watching Hannah Montana.
Ok.... being a lawyer, in the courtroom at least, IS all about persona. It isn't who you really are it is merely a performance. It is goal oriented. That has nothing to do with how those things relate to interactions in everyday online or offline life.
That is like trying to make conclusions about teenagers by watching Hannah Montana.
Because in the absence of context as you put it, we're left to fill in the gaps ourselves. Your assessment of a person online says more about you than it does about the person being assessed.
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Chazwozel
See right now, I'm looking at the front of my brain. That's how hard I'm rolling my eyes at you.
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makare
The conversation is the context. The forum is the context. If someone interacts a certain way with people that is how that person interacts. It is a truism, a tautology. We are who we are.
Even if someone is pretending to be something else they are still the type of person who pretends to be that way. That is in itself revealing.
Even if someone is pretending to be something else they are still the type of person who pretends to be that way. That is in itself revealing.
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Chazwozel
Because in the absence of context as you put it, we're left to fill in the gaps ourselves. Your assessment of a person online says more about you than it does about the person being assessed.[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck! If this was wrestling, I think you'd have knocked her into a full reversal.
Take a seat Makare:
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So Shego goes around murdering people. For reals. Case closed.
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makare
No but we can tell that she is the kind of person who finds that stuff interesting. That is into gore and stuff like that.
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crono1224
well... you do keep responding to her.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the whole simpsons quote.
Also tone and inflection are huge in real life, sarcasm can be nearly impossible to tell online unless it is hugely done, in real life a roll of the eyes can be all it takes, or just a little change in tone.
She could also be into Hello Kitty and read children's stories to sick cancer patients at the local hospital. Those gaps make up the real person, but we don't see those so we create a persona in our mind representing what we know about the person.
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Chazwozel
So I go around to salons and scream at other men getting manicures that they're being pussies... My God, it's like we've been married for years, you know me so well...
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makare
Ok for example, someone who tells a really racist joke and then says haha im just kidding. Ok so that guy ISN'T a racist. But he IS the kind of guy who thinks racist jokes or the making of racist jokes is amusing. What someone says gives insight into who they are as a person. Not necessarily a literal insight.
Shego saying id like to kill people. does that mean she would literally kill people, who knows. but it does give insight into her personality.
I clearly said at least twice that if someone is operating under a persona you can only tell the persona not the person. that doesnt mean all people online are personas.
fuck you firefox personas is a word.
Shego saying id like to kill people. does that mean she would literally kill people, who knows. but it does give insight into her personality.
She could also be into Hello Kitty and read children's stories to sick cancer patients at the local hospital. Those gaps make up the real person, but we don't see those so we create a persona in our mind representing what we know about the person.[/QUOTE]
I clearly said at least twice that if someone is operating under a persona you can only tell the persona not the person. that doesnt mean all people online are personas.
fuck you firefox personas is a word.
Don't even joke about that.
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Chazwozel
This whole fucking thread is based off calling someone sexist for making fun of men that get manicures. That's pretty much Charlie's whole purpose for this thread: to call out who he thinks is a sexist pig, which is why I responded to it in the way I did. If you weren't such a fucking twit with her head so far up her ass she could turn herself inside out, you'd spot that in the first place. Or maybe it's because you couldn't see the tone and context that I delivered my message?
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makare
ok... i don't understand your point. but alright.
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makare
I like to think it would be shaped like a vagina
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Chazwozel
My point is you're a half-wit who can't read between the lines or spot sarcasm from a mile away. I'm willing to be you're incredibly gullible too.
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makare
I thought you and adammon were saying I read too much between the lines?
Nope, quite the opposite. Your focus is on the message at the expense of the medium. It's an admirable trait, but one that doesn't lend itself well to communication outside of controlled environments. I suspect you'd probably avoid Yahoo comments on stories because you couldn't stand the stupidity of people posting there. At least here there is some semblance of not necessarily control, but at least constraint.
It also relates to your commentary on feminism. Your interpretation of feminism can be quite at odds with the more radical elements, despite both goals being the same.
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makare
I do think human interaction is human interaction regardless of the medium. Indeed.
Ugh. I want to jump in with the psychology of nonverbal communication but the whole conversation is teetering on the rails...
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makare
don't be afraid. we all float down here.
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makare
that is so it I am going to punch you in the balls
I don't know why your image posts get past the image off filter but it is chapping my ass!
I don't know why your image posts get past the image off filter but it is chapping my ass!
I think it's because you secretly like me.that is so it I am going to punch you in the balls
I don't know why your image posts get past the image off filter but it is chapping my ass!
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makare
no arent you a ginger?
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