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Philosopher B.

I think this was supposed to be a 'dark' episode, some clouds before the sunshine kind of dealio. They had to do some stupid stuff to get it there, though.

Sue Sylvester is suddenly spying on Will with baby monitors?! And Will didn't even try to convince Emma he didn't have sex with April?!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think the best part of this episode was by far the MC Hammer tune. Also, I hope that Jesse St. James goes away soon, because something about that actor just makes me want to hurt myself.

In other news, I wanna see them do a 50s/60s themed episode where they do songs like Barbara Ann. That would rock so hard.

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Bowielee said:
BTW, they in no way "paroled" Ice, Ice Baby.
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I'm trying to decide if they made it worse. I wouldn't have thought that possible.
 
Espy

Espy

They really don't want you to like anyone on this show do they? Seriously people, you need at least one character we can root for! Come on!
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Espy said:
They really don't want you to like anyone on this show do they? Seriously people, you need at least one character we can root for! Come on!
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Pretty much this. So far the only one who's not a total douchenozzle is Emma. She called out Schue, yeah, but he deserved it being a total whore and all.
 
Calleja

Calleja

Maybe they're going for a more realistic approach? IE.. real people aren't divided into good and bad guys, but more of a shades of gray kind of deal?

It's always surprised me how you guys (and by "you guys" I tend to mean "americans") need the character you root for to be DECENT AND GOOD and not..y'know.. an actual person with flaws and mistakes. Schue is a manwhore? He made out with a smoking hot girl that was throwing herself at him and STOPPED IT and then sort of sang in bed with a lonely alcoholic he's always admired. Asshole? I think he's a rather average guy, doesn't make him a bit less likable to me. He even feels like shit about it like.... oh! Real people do! He wasn't even cheating on anyone, either, for frack's sake.

I dunno, this whole "they have no likable characters" complaint I keep seeing with Glee is non existent for me.. I like them all and root for all. Yeah, sometimes even for Sue Sylvester. They all can be bitchy and douchey and stupid... but, y'know, so can I. That's actually one of the things I like about the show... they don't go for the Evil vs. Good schtick and allow some realism in the portrayal of characters' moral dilemmas.
 
Covar

Covar

I always root for Sue Sylvester. I like here winning, no-nonsense attitude that has made her the greatest cheerleading coach of the last 2000 years.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

The Mex said:
Maybe they're going for a more realistic approach? IE.. real people aren't divided into good and bad guys, but more of a shades of gray kind of deal?

It's always surprised me how you guys (and by "you guys" I tend to mean "americans") need the character you root for to be DECENT AND GOOD and not..y'know.. an actual person with flaws and mistakes. .
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Point the first: A show where people burst into song in a high school shouldn't really aspire to any level of realism.

Point the second: you're way off base when you think that Americans need for a character to be "decent and good" for them to be likeable. Hell, the entire cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia raging bastards, but that doesn't make them unlikeable.

The reason people are disliking Mr Shue is that when he made out with the other glee coach he had JUST MINUTES BEFORE told his girlfriend how he'd be patient and wait for her.

And if you think that making out with someone isn't a form of cheating, you're going to have some very mad girlfriends in your future.
 
Calleja

Calleja

Of course it's a form of cheating... it's OUTRIGHT cheating. It's just that there was nobody he had to cheat ON. As I remember it (am I confusing episodes here?) the girl he liked (NOT his girlfriend) had just told him "not now, later, I have to work on my issues, seeya". And then a hot girl threw herself at him. And he stopped himself before it got beyond PG make out. I'm not saying it's commendable, but it's certainly not assholish or dislikable. Just..normal. He was reproachful afterwards, wasn't running around bragging about it or further pursuing it and wanted to make amends, admitting he had acted wrongly.

And on the other point... It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is notable precisely because they WANT to make their characters unlikeable. They took what Seinfeld did more subtly and took it to the extreme. It's the show's shtick, seriously, the creators and producers have said so themselves. The characters are fascinating to watch in their stew of assholishness, but they're certainly not likeable. At least not intentionally.
 
Espy

Espy

I will say I think this last episode changed the game they've been playing (make everyone annoying and a slut/asshole), they brought back some heart and character to the show. I'm glad.
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

So this week's episode was pretty great. Songs were good, Kurt's thing with his dad was really moving (as was his song imo), and it was a nice change to see an episode that really only revolved around the Glee kids, with pretty much no interaction from the adults.
 
Calleja

Calleja

One gave me goosebumps. Not only because it is literally one of the greatest songs ever written to me, but because they truly made it poignant. I didn't care much for their version, actually, but the... feeling... was right. Y'know? They ruined the song musically but they wrapped it around.. I can't even quite put my finger on it, but whatever it was it was awesome. And I don't mind that they tore the song down musically because they certainly gave it enough feeling to more than make up for it. Plot-wise, mainly, not musically. I actually think they sort of half-assed it at times musically.
 
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Philosopher B.

Holy Crap. Dream On is one of my new favorite episodes. Several subplots well-handled, and the music was great (finally got to hear Idina! :D), plus that duet between Schue and 'Bryan Ryan' was fuckin' EPIC.

Awesome.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

The Joss Whedon NPH episode was by FAR the best episode of this half season, and the only episode in my mind that was as good was the first half season's finale.

Artie singing "Dream A Little Dream" while Tina tap danced... God.
 
Covar

Covar

checkeredhat said:
The Joss Whedon NPH episode was by FAR the best episode of this half season, and the only episode in my mind that was as good was the first half season's finale.

Artie singing "Dream A Little Dream" while Tina tap danced... God.
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What about Safety Dance?

I thought the episode before this one was good as well. Not sure which I liked better.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Covar;388236][QUOTE=checkeredhat said:
The Joss Whedon NPH episode was by FAR the best episode of this half season, and the only episode in my mind that was as good was the first half season's finale.

Artie singing "Dream A Little Dream" while Tina tap danced... God.
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What about Safety Dance?

I thought the episode before this one was good as well. Not sure which I liked better.[/QUOTE]

Safety Dance was a fantastic number and choreographed great too. The actor that plays Artie is an excellent dancer, which makes is kind of ironic.

But Dream A Little Dream was just so much more emotionally powerful.
 
R

Rubicon

Ok very important

Is Glee as good as this episode with NPH?!

This is fucking gold. How could I have missed this.. Is season 1 worth buying on dvd?
 
Calleja

Calleja

AAAAAAAAH!!


WHY DIDN'T WE GET A SCENE WITH KURT'S FATHER SEEING FINN IS NOT A BIGOTED DOUCHE!? WHYYYYY?! HE YELLED AT HIM SO HARSHLY AND HE WAS KINDA RIGHT IN DOING SO BUT COME ON GIVE FINN A BREAK AND OH MY GOD I HAVEN'T BREATHED I'M GONNA PASS OUT AAAAAAH

No, but seriously, that wasn't the season finale, was it? Please tell me there's one more episode in the season.

Oh fuck that was teh season finale wasn't it?
 
Dave

Dave

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I will admit I am watching this show more now. But I'm fast forwarding past pretty much everything not music related. The rest of the show is high school drama bullshit.

But the "Dream On" duet (although a bit produced to be believed it happened live at an audition) was pretty epic.

 
Covar

Covar

The Mex said:
AAAAAAAAH!!


WHY DIDN'T WE GET A SCENE WITH KURT'S FATHER SEEING FINN IS NOT A BIGOTED DOUCHE!? WHYYYYY?! HE YELLED AT HIM SO HARSHLY AND HE WAS KINDA RIGHT IN DOING SO BUT COME ON GIVE FINN A BREAK AND OH MY GOD I HAVEN'T BREATHED I'M GONNA PASS OUT AAAAAAH
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He was kind of right, but he only walked in on the last part. I'm a little annoyed that Kurt gets to walk away as the complete victim.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

My roommate absolutely hated this episode, I didn't think it was quite that bad. I actually think it had some really good stuff in there, particularly with Kurt and his father. Although I do agree with him that the series continues to go into a direction opposite from why we both started watching it. They have to start doing more renditions of classic rock and less top 40 pop, because KISS just barely made up for doing Lady Gaga.

Poker Face was not at all an appropriate song choice for Rachel and her mom to say bye to each other with.
 
Calleja

Calleja

Covar;389984][QUOTE=The Mex said:
AAAAAAAAH!!


WHY DIDN'T WE GET A SCENE WITH KURT'S FATHER SEEING FINN IS NOT A BIGOTED DOUCHE!? WHYYYYY?! HE YELLED AT HIM SO HARSHLY AND HE WAS KINDA RIGHT IN DOING SO BUT COME ON GIVE FINN A BREAK AND OH MY GOD I HAVEN'T BREATHED I'M GONNA PASS OUT AAAAAAH
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He was kind of right, but he only walked in on the last part. I'm a little annoyed that Kurt gets to walk away as the complete victim.[/QUOTE]

Yeah.. it IS bullshit that Kurt KNOWS he's been openly hitting on Finn... you don't have to be a homophobe to be uncomfortable sleeping in the same room with a guy that has the hots for you... the same thing would happen if it was a girl that was trying to get in your pants and she's the daughter of your mom's boyfriend.. awkward, uncomfortable. Not fair on Finn.

He did react badly, though.
 
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Philosopher B.

checkeredhat said:
Poker Face was not at all an appropriate song choice for Rachel and her mom to say bye to each other with.
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I agree. It just sounded so fuckin' awesome, though, that I kind of didn't care. Lol, I could finally listen to that song without wanting to pinch myself. :p

Good episode, though. I liked the ending, plus
the looks between Puck and Quinn during Beth.
 
Espy

Espy

Yeah, that one was hit or miss for me, Beth was aweful, the kiss song was bland, the two Gaga songs were good though. The Kurt/Finn thing had it's moments but that Dad and Finn's mom need to get smacked upside their heads. He's yelling at the kid HE forced to move in with his gay son who is attracted to him? Dumbass. What the hell did you think would happen? Hope you were happy, because your own selfishness created the situation.
 
Covar

Covar

Espy said:
Yeah, that one was hit or miss for me, Beth was aweful, the kiss song was bland, the two Gaga songs were good though. The Kurt/Finn thing had it's moments but that Dad and Finn's mom need to get smacked upside their heads. He's yelling at the kid HE forced to move in with his gay son who is attracted to him? Dumbass. What the hell did you think would happen? Hope you were happy, because your own selfishness created the situation.
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See I say Kurt was the one who created the situation. I hope that isn't the end of the storyline.

I liked Beth. They could have picked a better first KISS song though. The Gaga songs were as catchy as a Gaga song always is.
 
Espy

Espy

Ok, fair enough, it was a mixture of Kurt and the parents. After all the parents are the ones who decided to just MOVE FINN OUT OF HIS HOME and force him to live IN THE SAME ROOM as the kid who was in love with him. WTF?
For the record, that doesn't excuse Finn's hateful actions. Not at all. The dad's speech was right on but it doesn't negate the adults responsibility here to their teenage kids.

I don't know why, but it seems like 90% of the time the guys songs seem super bland and uninteresting to me. I really thought Beth was the most uninteresting thing in a while. The Kiss song... it... just had no teeth and it didn't seem like they were having fun to me.
 
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