[Movies] MCU: Phase 3 And Beyond

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Hmm ... yeah, I could definitely see General Ross being one of the loudest voices for making a new council that directs the Avengers.

Plus if they drop in a Spider-man cameo like was mentioned a couple months ago, they can have J. Jonah Jameson bitching about just one of these many supers without making a fuss about the rest of them because they don't wear masks :p.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Zero Esc said:
Hmm ... yeah, I could definitely see General Ross being one of the loudest voices for making a new council that directs the Avengers.

Plus if they drop in a Spider-man cameo like was mentioned a couple months ago, they can have J. Jonah Jameson bitching about just one of these many supers without making a fuss about the rest of them because they don't wear masks :p.
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This just made me realize that a great deal of the Avengers never had secret identities. I think Iron Man and Hawkeye were the only major Avengers who had a secret identity up until more recently.

Vision- that's his actual name and identity
Wasp- Janet has never worn a mask
Ant Man- really only wore the helmet because it allowed him to communicate with the ants, not to conceal his identity. People know he's Hank Pym.
Thor- Thor is just Thor... unless you count back when he had his whole Dr. Blake identity.
Captain America- It's hard to conceal the identity of unfrozen caveman lawyer.
None of the mutants who have been avengers have ever had secret identities (hell, two were former internationally known mutant terrorists).
Wonder Man- he was a goddamn Hollywood actor.
 
Null

Null

Bowielee said:
This just made me realize that a great deal of the Avengers never had secret identities. I think Iron Man and Hawkeye were the only major Avengers who had a secret identity up until more recently.

Vision- that's his actual name and identity
Wasp- Janet has never worn a mask
Ant Man- really only wore the helmet because it allowed him to communicate with the ants, not to conceal his identity. People know he's Hank Pym.
Thor- Thor is just Thor... unless you count back when he had his whole Dr. Blake identity.
Captain America- It's hard to conceal the identity of unfrozen caveman lawyer.
None of the mutants who have been avengers have ever had secret identities (hell, two were former internationally known mutant terrorists).
Wonder Man- he was a goddamn Hollywood actor.
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Yeah one of the nice things about the MCU is getting rid of that whole "secret identity" artifact (for the most part) so that Civil War doesn't have to spend half it's time delving into that, instead focusing on the more interesting core issue of security vs freedom / responsibility vs anarchy. There is a very valid point that heroes like Cyclops or Hulk or Human Torch can cause enormous amounts of collateral damage, even unintentionally, if they lose control for even a moment. Hell, for that matter, Iron Man is an alcoholic egomaniac with self-destructive tendencies who fucked around with energy-weapon equipped power armor at a crowded party. So it's not unreasonable that there be some oversight to try and limit the damage heroes can cause, or at least to keep track of them, just in case. After all, who do they answer to? Who *should* they answer to? And who's responsible when one of them goes too far? But by the same token, these are individuals who, time and again, have stepped up to protect innocent people against threats beyond the scope of conventional means. When push comes to shove, these people have chosen to be on the side of the angels, so to speak. Don't they deserve to be able to live their lives without being monitored like a rat in a habitat? And by putting some agency over them, are you not then making them tools of that agency instead of heroes in their own right? It's a valid question about superheroes, and if it can focus on that instead of the whole "secret identity" issue, it'll make for a good follow up to Winter Soldier.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

AoU Spoiler
Hulk's rampage and disappearance at the end of AoU will be a huge point of order for the registration act. And it will be what brings Ross to the forefront of the side pushing for it.
("You mean to tell me you are NOT currently tracking Dr. Banner's whereabouts? Are you INSANE?!")
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

checkeredhat said:
AoU Spoiler
Hulk's rampage and disappearance at the end of AoU will be a huge point of order for the registration act. And it will be what brings Ross to the forefront of the side pushing for it.
("You mean to tell me you are NOT currently tracking Dr. Banner's whereabouts? Are you INSANE?!")
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He'd totally say that even after it's explained that they can't because Banner took the stealthiest of stealth jets.
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checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Zero Esc said:
He'd totally say that even after it's explained that they can't because Banner took the stealthiest of stealth jets.
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Yeah that wouldn't even matter to him. But also
they found what they thought was the wreckage at the end of AoU but Black Widow was like "nah bro, let him be" and Fury was like "cool beans". So it is kind of really irresponsible.
 
Frank

Frank

It's too bad we'll never have this kind of thing:



Well, hopefully not involving anyone from Agents of SHIELD because, blech (also, fuck Damon Lindeloff).

But a spy movie (like Winter Soldier was more of a political thriller) with Black Widow having to deal with Black Widow 2 would be fucking awesome.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Sparhawk said:
Gah, hate it when an "artist" has a gun fire the shell and all out of the barrel.
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Or an out of time and place weapon in the media. The pilot for Forever had the character murdered in 1805ish with a Colt revolver. The gun was 70 years wrong.

Later in the season it was retconned into a flintlock, then overlaid the pistol over the revolver in the flashbacks.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

Crossbones? Bleah. I feel like they have better options. But I'll reserve judgement until I see some footage. Hopefully, they'll change some of this background, at least the rape stuff.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

... why does he have a gun or a knife when it would be physically impossible for him to use them unless he takes off his gauntlets?
 
filmfanatic

filmfanatic

Celt Z said:
Crossbones? Bleah. I feel like they have better options. But I'll reserve judgement until I see some footage. Hopefully, they'll change some of this background, at least the rape stuff.
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Well, Baron Zemo is also in the film. I'm guessing Crossbones will be his main henchman, hankering for another round against Captain America.

As to his knives and guns, I'm guessing that the bars on those gauntlets can pull back the big metal portion, allowing him to switch between wielding weapons or throwing hard punches.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Celt Z said:
Crossbones? Bleah. I feel like they have better options. But I'll reserve judgement until I see some footage. Hopefully, they'll change some of this background, at least the rape stuff.
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Outside of Zemo, Red Skull and Winter Soldier, I can't think of a more perfect representation of Cap's Rogues Gallery than Crossbones. I mean, do we really want Flag Smasher? I sure don't. Maybe it's because I read Cap pretty religiously in the 90s where Crossbones was almost his primary villain, but I don't see this as a "lesser" pick of all of his enemies.[DOUBLEPOST=1431716214,1431716180][/DOUBLEPOST]
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He's also got a pistol, and... shotgun shells? Are those used to power his robo-fists or something?
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I'd assume the robo fists are retractable.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

figmentPez said:
He's also got a pistol, and... shotgun shells? Are those used to power his robo-fists or something?
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I suppose the shotgun shells could be AMMO for his punches... like he's got Ballistic fists or something.

I'm hoping we get more Batroc the Leaper too... he didn't die in Cap 2 and he'd make a good henchmen.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Celt Z said:
Crossbones? Bleah. I feel like they have better options. But I'll reserve judgement until I see some footage. Hopefully, they'll change some of this background, at least the rape stuff.
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I would assume they're just going with his part in CA:The Winter Soldier as background, this movie is packed enough as it is.
 
Celt Z

Celt Z

Like I said, I'll reserve judgement until I see footage, because Marvel hasn't let me down yet. But Crossbones isn't one of those characters I'm all that excited about reviving. I felt like he suffered the same flaws that villains of late 80's/early 90's creations, like Bane and Venom, did: overly 'roided physique boringly deck out in almost entirely black, over-the-top violent with very little to offer personality-wise. He may have "looked" the epitome of villainous at the time, but his appearances didn't do anything for me.
 
CynicismKills

CynicismKills

His "fists" have hydraulics, so I would assume they're also retractable. He's not superpowered, so if he's going to fist-fight Cap he needs something more than bare-knuckles.[DOUBLEPOST=1431719435,1431719305][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I should point out, if I remember right,
Crossbones is the one who sniped Cap in the Civil War comics.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Bowielee said:
do we really want Flag Smasher? I sure don't. Maybe it's because I read Cap pretty religiously in the 90s where Crossbones was almost his primary villain, but I don't see this as a "lesser" pick of all of his enemies.
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I'm holding out for Taskmaster.

--Patrick
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

CynicismKills said:
I honestly want Taskmaster to be a Deadpool thing, because they have the best banter.
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Actually, Taskmaster may be over at Fox with the Deadpool rights. Not sure if he was included in the Mutants/Deadpool package.[DOUBLEPOST=1431732454,1431732318][/DOUBLEPOST]
CynicismKills said:
His "fists" have hydraulics, so I would assume they're also retractable. He's not superpowered, so if he's going to fist-fight Cap he needs something more than bare-knuckles.[DOUBLEPOST=1431719435,1431719305][/DOUBLEPOST]Also I should point out, if I remember right,
Crossbones is the one who sniped Cap in the Civil War comics.
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You are correct, well partially.
He sniped cap, but it was Sharon Carter who actually delivered the killing blow, she was mind controlled at the time.
 
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