[Movies] MCU: Phase 3 And Beyond

[AshburnerX]

They might be contractually obligated at this point... and those projects are less risky because there are fewer fan expectations for said properties.

A Sinister Six movie might tie into the MCU by being about the first super villian team-up, playing it like a heist movie where the villians win... and then the Avengers (or someone else) have to track them down in a bigger, MCU directed movie later the same year.

They might go the "Agent" Venom route and have it be about a government agent using the symbiote to track down and stop a rogue villain (before giving in himself).

Still don't know how they'd do a Black Cat movie though.

 

[checkeredhat]

Variety is reporting that Marvel paid nothing for this deal, and neither did Dony. Neither company is getting any cut of profits from the other's movies involving Spider-Man.

Seems like the simplest solution.

 

[Celt Z]

They're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts? I dunno, Spidey-sense is tingling on that...

 

[checkeredhat]

They're doing this out of the kindness of their hearts? I dunno, Spidey-sense is tingling on that...

Nobody said that. Both companies stand to win big on the deal. Marvel gets additional promotion for Avengers, as well as all those sweet sweet toy, tv, clothing, and tv show deals where Disney prints it's money. Sony gets renewed interest in a flailing franchise, the best and biggest teaser trailer one could possibly ask for for free, and they get to piggy back off the industry's hottest franchise for years to come.
Edit: ign is reporting the same thing. But my guess is that Variety is their source or vice versa.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/02/10/it-cost-marvel-zero-dollars-to-get-spider-man

 

[ScytheRexx]

They might be contractually obligated at this point... and those projects are less risky because there are fewer fan expectations for said properties.

Likely the first reason. They keep making movies, reboots, and spinoffs (and the same reason FOX does with X-Men) all because of the drop clause. If they don't make a themed movie around the property within a certain time-frame, the rights automatically drop back to Marvel. Even with this new deal involving Spider-Man, Sony themselves likely have to still make their own "spider-man" themed movie just to keep the rights under the original contract. Thus they have to dig into the secondary stable of characters for movie ideas. (They even rumored an Aunt May movie).

 

[BananaHands]

Can't wait for a young May to appear in Agent Carter.

 

[Celt Z]

Can't wait for a young May to appear in Agent Carter.

Would that be possible? I'd assume Melinda May wasn't born until some time in the 60's. Or are we talking "Aunt May" Parker?

 

[BananaHands]

Would that be possible? I'd assume Melinda May wasn't born until some time in the 60's. Or are we talking "Aunt May" Parker?

Aunt May.

 

[BananaHands]

There's a rumor about Marvel's pitch on Spidey's involvement in the civil war:

Spoiler

In "Captain America: Civil War", Peter is 16 years old and is already Spider-Man. He's living with Aunt May and works at the Daily Bugle. He admires both Captain America, since they were both weak and bullied, and Iron Man, because of his wealth and scientific genius.

Steve sees a lot of himself in Peter, but thinks he's too reckless and needs training. Stark takes Peter as his protege, loves his quips, and even offers him money since Aunt May had to mortgage the house and Jameson is always screwing him out of money, but Peter refuses because he wants to make it on his own as Uncle Ben taught him.

Stark develops a suit for Peter, but Steve believes giving him technology rather than training is dangerous. Stark considers Peter the second fastest hero after Quicksilver, and the Spider-Sense makes him nearly uncatchable.

Peter also has a little crush on Black Widow and mentions another redhead he's into. She thinks it's cute, but kinda' creepy. The other Avengers don't really like Spider-Man because he's annoying and keeps on quipping.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I think that's way more Spider-man involvement than we're going to see. I'm expecting a glorified cameo considering Civil War comes out in just a year.

 

[Null]

I think that's way more Spider-man involvement than we're going to see. I'm expecting a glorified cameo considering Civil War comes out in just a year.

That seems likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a brief mention along the lines of "that kid in the costume in New York" and maybe an appearance in one of the stingers.

 

[Hailey Knight]

That seems likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a brief mention along the lines of "that kid in the costume in New York" and maybe an appearance in one of the stingers.

Ooh, good point. His first appearance has to be a post-credits scene, no earlier.

 

[Celt Z]

I'm not really feeling that possibility. It feels a little too "Marty Stu" to me. I'd think it'd be more likely that Peter at a cameo at a press conference on behalf of the Bugle.

 

[AshburnerX]

That seems likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a brief mention along the lines of "that kid in the costume in New York" and maybe an appearance in one of the stingers.

They've got time to CG Spidey into Avengers 2 if they cast him fast enough. Just have him show up to fight off an Ultron bot during the climatic battle for a few seconds and then swing off, with Tony and the rest wondering who the hell that was.

Alternatively, the stinger is JJ at the Daily Bugle going through photos of the fighting in New York and he sees an image of Spidey. He takes one look at it and goes "That menace is BACK!". Cut to black.

 

[checkeredhat]

That sounds like it'd be taking Caps movie and making it about Spider-Man. I don't think Marvel is going to do that. They need to use Civil War to build up anticipation for Black Panther. Spider's role will jot be what it was in the comics' Civil War

 

[Null]

Well, it really depends on if they're going to bother with re-doing his origin story AGAIN. If not, then we have to take it as read that he'd be on the radar of the remnants of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers, because of course they'd notice a costumed crime-fighter who regularly appeared in the press.

Ooh, different scene: Steve doing an interview explaining his position to the public, and why he's taking the stand that he is, in opposition to the charismatic and popular Tony Stark. Interview wraps up, the interviewer tells Steve, "You know, I just wanted to take this chance to tell you, that you've been a real inspiration to me." Steve shakes the young journalist's hand and asks his name. Camera pans around to show a young, earnest, somewhat nerdy looking man. "Oh, it's Parker, sir. Peter Parker."

 

[evilmike]

They've got time to CG Spidey into Avengers 2 if they cast him fast enough. Just have him show up to fight off an Ultron bot during the climatic battle for a few seconds and then swing off, with Tony and the rest wondering who the hell that was.

Alternatively, the stinger is JJ at the Daily Bugle going through photos of the fighting in New York and he sees an image of Spidey. He takes one look at it and goes "That menace is BACK!". Cut to black.

This brings up an interesting question: can they get J. K. Simmons to play JJJ again?

 

[Null]

You really couldn't have anyone else do it after seeing that.

 

[Hailey Knight]

JK Simmons is my favorite thing of the first three Spidey films. They even over-used him and I didn't care because he was so perfect for the character.

 

[Celt Z]

It seems the MCU is already putting Spider-Man to work:

 

[Gryfter]

The lack of J Jonah Jameson (Specifically Simmons) was one of the things that made me dislike the Amazing movies. He is an integral character in Spidey's life and that he was missing was just one more thing to hate about them.

 

[Null]

The bigger thing, of course, is that Sony completely refused to acknowledge what a 1 question survey on twitter would have told them was wrong with Spider-Man 3: too many villains, causing a jumbled plot and not enough development. Which is exactly why Amazing Spider-Man 2 was disliked: too many villains, causing a jumbled plot and not enough development.

 

[Celt Z]

I think it would really be hard to top Simmon's JJJ. It felt like he came right off the page. And even if it bordered on cartoony at times, I've seen him in enough roles to know he could pull of intimidating and even menacing if they wanted to make Jameson a little darker or realistic. But given the over-all atmosphere of the MCU, I think Simmon's JJJ would fit in perfectly.

 

[Bubble181]

Simmon's JJJ, to me, is like Nicholson's Joker. It doesn't really seem possible to bring the character any better, unless by giving it a completely different interpretation (as Ledger did with the Joker, for example).

 

[Null]

If they did a dark and gritty J Jonah Jameson, I could totally see Ian McShane doing the role justice (sort of an Al Swearengen meets Rupert Murdoch kind of role).

 

[Bubble181]

If they did a dark and gritty J Jonah Jameson, I could totally see Ian McShane doing the role justice (sort of an Al Swearengen meets Rupert Murdoch kind of role).

Ooh, absolutely.

 

[ThatNickGuy]

Simmon's JJJ, to me, is like Nicholson's Joker. It doesn't really seem possible to bring the character any better, unless by giving it a completely different interpretation (as Ledger did with the Joker, for example).

Disagree on Nicholson, since he really didn't play the role any different than many other roles we've seen him in. It was just Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson dressed as The Joker.

Ledger, on the other hand, completely disappeared into the role.

 

[AshburnerX]

Disagree on Nicholson, since he really didn't play the role any different than many other roles we've seen him in. It was just Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson dressed as The Joker.

Ledger, on the other hand, completely disappeared into the role.

Ledger didn't just act like the Joker, he made him his own. The Joker is usually depicted as this clean, powerful figure who can intimidate a room just by walking into that, but Ledger played him completely differently. He made the Joker an awkward, dirty nobody who slowly infects the room with his psychosis until everyone is looking to him to make the call. He's practically a deranged guy on the street at points. However, underneath all that show is someone who isn't just above it all... he's so BEYOND everyday life that he literally needs to rip off mobsters and fight guys in bat suits just to get through the day. He's planned the perfect way to up-end society at all angles and he's only doing it so the world will finally, FINALLY be something he can relate to.

To put it simply, Nicholson played the Joker. Hammel made him a trickster like no other. But Ledger? He made him a force of chaos and now even the comics want to make the Joker more like this.

 

[Bubble181]

Ledger didn't just act like the Joker, he made him his own. The Joker is usually depicted as this clean, powerful figure who can intimidate a room just by walking into that, but Ledger played him completely differently. He made the Joker an awkward, dirty nobody who slowly infects the room with his psychosis until everyone is looking to him to make the call. He's practically a deranged guy on the street at points. However, underneath all that show is someone who isn't just above it all... he's so BEYOND everyday life that he literally needs to rip off mobsters and fight guys in bat suits just to get through the day. He's planned the perfect way to up-end society at all angles and he's only doing it so the world will finally, FINALLY be something he can relate to.

To put it simply, Nicholson played the Joker. Hammel made him a trickster like no other. But Ledger? He made him a force of chaos and now even the comics want to make the Joker more like this.

Yes, this is what I meant. Ledger portrayed a completely different Joker. Better performance than Nicholson? Eh, one can discuss, I guess. I don't agree that Nicholson just played Nicholson-plays-the-Joker - I'm already afraid of what it'll give if Johnny Depp ever plays the Joker, because I can tell exactly what it'll look like; that would be Depp playing Depp-playing-the-Joker. Ledger just took the character and made it all his own and did something else with it than just play the character, too. Say, for example, Superman. Practically every actor so far has tried to just emulate Christopher Reeves. Reeves really "is" Superman for most people of our generation. I can imagine someone else giving an equally good performance (to be fair, Reeves is a good actor but he's not brilliant), though he probably won't replace the face of Superman in my head. Another actor could somehow portray a completely different Superman and simply make it a completely different character.

 

[Frank]

You know JK Simmons would be up for doing JJJ again too, since he still plays him in all the cartoons and has for the last 10 years.

 

[checkeredhat]

JK Simmons was/ is still the perfect J Jonah jameson. You are right, maybe someone could do it better by taking it in a complete other direction, but JK Simmons played JJ EXACTLY how he has been in the comics since the start. It was perfect. A lot of elements from the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies don't hold up today, but JJ is still a bright spot in both of those movies ( there was no third one. Must have been a dream you had or something,)

 

[Hailey Knight]

JK Simmons was/ is still the perfect J Jonah jameson. You are right, maybe someone could do it better by taking it in a complete other dirrction, but JK Simmons played JJ EXACTLY how he is has been in the comics since the start. It was perfect. A lot of elements from the Sam Raima Spider-Man movies don't hold up today, but JJ is still a bright spot in both of those movies ( there was no third one. Must have been a dream you had or something,)

He still has funny bits in the third one; it's okay to accept their existence.

 

[figmentPez]

Can't wait for a young May to appear in Agent Carter.

I dunno, that sounds like it's asking for Trouble.

 

[DarkAudit]

TIL Damage Control had a cameo in the first Iron Man. Which means they're MCU canon.

There's rumors of a One-Shot short, but could you get a good two hours out of the folks who clean up after alien invasions and helicarrier crashes?

 

[AshburnerX]

TIL Damage Control had a cameo in the first Iron Man. Which means they're MCU canon.

There's rumors of a One-Shot short, but could you get a good two hours out of the folks who clean up after alien invasions and helicarrier crashes?

There's really only one way to do this story: they find something they shouldn't and Hydra decides they'd love to steal it from them. So instead of a balls to the wall action movie like The Avengers, it's a slower paced one like Die Hard where the Damage Control guys have to sneak around, quietly defending themselves and trying to hold back Hydra until Shield arrives and takes it off their hands. The movie basically writes itself.