GasBandit
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The difference is that China, Russia and the Middle East are still doing it. We haven't for hundreds of years.
America or the US
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Dave
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We usually don't lock threads unless name calling gets involved. Disagreeing is perfectly fine.
And I do disagree with your basic premise. I do think that we have been heavy handed in a number of situations and can totally see where someone would think we're a bully. But at the same time, everyone looks to us to do stuff. How many times have we heard criticism that we didn't act to prevent X or Y when the only way we possibly could would be some sort of military intervention. With Ukraine, Russia has invaded a sovereign nation. What are our choices? Military intervention, sanctions, or do nothing. We've already ruled out - for the time being - military involvement, and doing nothing violates our pacts with the Ukraine and Baltic states. So what are we left with? Sanctions.
Love it or hate it, the world expects us to do something. We're really damned if we do and damned if we don't.
I do like hearing a totally different point of view, though. Too many times people talk about the US in terms of rainbows and puppy farts.
Lol, haha... you're delusional if you believe that Whites aren't doing it to any other people now... and never deported mass human population. So it makes it all right for the US to criticize others for their crimes while having having committed them themselves and having never paid for them?
And that's exactly why the world hates or resents America, because it thinks it never did any wrong to others, and it thinks it's not dictating others' thoughts and actions while in fact, it actually is doing it at this very moment.
Oh, and the exploiting of girls from other races in America is still an issue yes?
What I totally hate in this kinda discussion is when people think America is a Saint when it has committed sins and crimes against humanity itself and when these people are not able to recognize why people hate America so much.
Yup. We're the only country in the world with that problem. Our bad.
This is the funniest thread we've had in a long time. I love it. Everyone, please keep posting in it and trying to have a discussion and asking questions. This is amazing.
This needs Charlie. Where's Charlie? Someone get him! I don't know how to get people's user numbers to tag them properly.
This needs Charlie. Where's Charlie? Someone get him! I don't know how to get people's user numbers to tag them properly.
Only 26% of people from other races than White. So it's a society made by Whites for Whites only in America.
And I think America is actually the number 1 dictator, since it wants everyone to think the same way as America does, and it spreads the same kind of political propaganda: that freedom is the best thing ever and that democracy is the best political system ever in human history.
GasBandit
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Ad hominem.
"Whites" or Americans? Most Russians are white too. As are most Europeans, Canadians.. so on and so forth. Also, racism much?
The first step would be to stop doing it. That's kind of an important distinction.
No. To put it in simple terms you can understand, they hate America because of wealth envy, predominately.
Mostly by those other races. Yes, we have problems with Asians kidnapping/tricking girls in their native country to America and then holding them in virtual slave prostitution. That is not an American institution, however. It's not policy, it's crime - crime largely committed by foreign nationals.
Also, I've got a three word phrase for you to look up on wikipedia - "Chinese female infanticide."
Dave
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So you live in Canada, yes? A Western country. 76.7% white. Do you hate Canada?
It's weird that you think only people or nations who haven't done a certain action can criticise those who do it. You and I are from Canada, which does not have the best track record with its own Native peoples. Why are you allowed to criticise America for its maltreatment of Natives while Canada still has a long way to go?
The answer, of course, is that it is okay to note wrongs even while you yourself are working on similar problems - or are ignorant of those problems! Stating something is a bad activity is not stating you are innocent.
GasBandit
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Wow, nobody told us we were by whites for whites! Now we're in trouble, we've got a black president!
I can't believe I'm even engaging this person.
And isn't it happening in America too? If you think America is a holyland clean of such crimes, then you really worship America way too much or you have fallen for American propaganda where it's all good in America, and other countries need saving.
I'm waiting for @Gilgamesh to show up.
GasBandit
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Uh, no. By and large, Americans are not drowning their newborn females in droves. That'd kind of be murder, and I doubt all the doctors and nurses in our hospitals would cover it up.
"Chinese female infanticide" gets 5 pages of google hits. "American female infanticide" gets one false positive.
There's someone here who's been brainwashed by propaganda, but it isn't me.
For more China human rights violations against women fun, let's throw in the one-child policy enforced by the family planning with forced abortions.
I am not White Canadian myself, I'm Chinese-Canadian. And yes, I hate the Whites who have done the Natives wrong and who never paid for their crimes.
China has every right to regulate its population.
I agree, freedom is just awful. We should tell people that being oppressed is the best way to be.
Like America hasn't violated any "human rights" or "people's rights to freedom"?XD
I'm really surprised that there are so many who have fallen for the American propaganda.
But we're allowed to. We're America.
And the world doesn't belong to America either, and America is trying to annex it to their Empire. And people are getting tired of being told what to do by America.
GasBandit
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[Citation Needed]
Yes, when you've got a billion hungry mouths to feed, things like ethics and morality are luxuries a nation can ill afford.
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Yes, that is all you're saying. When people ask you questions or try to discuss a point, you laugh at them, label them, and ignore what they said. You're not interesting in discussion, you're interested in belittling those who took the time to reply to you, especially when most of them cared to be polite.
Because we disagree, and that's perfectly fine by me, not because I'm not listening to your point. I'm interested in speaking frankly without having to be polite or to please anyone.
GasBandit
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The funny thing was, when I came in, I thought this was going to be another Calleja nomenclature debate... IE "America is a continent, not a country".
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No, if you were perfectly fine with disagreement, you probably wouldn't have started this thread in the first place, much less attempted to ridicule everyone who has responded to you.
Grow up.
Lol, you think you're being ridiculed because you disagree with my viewpoints, it's the other way around, it's you who can't take a disagreement with me.
And nothing you ever say is going to make me change my mind about America.
GasBandit
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Isn't it though? Hates the whites, only attracted to white boys, worried her oh-so-enlightened chinese parents won't put their racism aside and let her love who she wants, because the Chinese are so much better than the Whites.[DOUBLEPOST=1395359745,1395359670][/DOUBLEPOST]
"No U." Wow, hello internet of 10 years ago, I missed you.
So why are you here? Why did you start this thread if you weren't interested in dissenting opinions?
And if you were mature enough to disagree with me, you wouldn't have attacked me back, you'd just ignore me eh?
Just to test if how people here are going to take my opinions against America. And an interesting point to note, is even non-Americans will jump to America's defines, when they feel America's being attacked, that's fragile these people's beliefs are.
Dave
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It's also interesting to me how you gloss over the atrocities by your own country and those of Russia. Every established country has things in their past of which they are not proud. America is no different. What matters, though, is attempting to make things better. And just because our government still does things which we disagree with, doesn't mean that this is the will of the people. Hell, look at the current NSA & Snowden stuff to get a glimpse of how normal Americans feel about things.[DOUBLEPOST=1395360053,1395359912][/DOUBLEPOST]
Bottom line is, we're all human and have to deal with it.
This has not as much to do with how good/bad American actions are, but of your failure to present your issues in an objective and logical manner. You really did come in guns-a-blazing. Kinda like...oh, I don't know...an American might do if they feel like they have the moral high ground.
Bottom line is, we're all human and have to deal with it.
But you're not listening to them. Here, I've made you a master post that you can paste in reply to each other post:
For me, the US is the world' biggest bully, nothing else. America worshipper. And when it's America that does it, it's called protecting it's own interests, but when other countries are only protecting what's theirs it's called "telling others what to do?", right? Lol, dream on, America worshipper. Political propaganda. Tyranny. Imperialism. World domination. Oppression. America worshipper.
And let's not forget!
And you can't keep your hands off them:
GasBandit
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I gave you several chances. Yes, a few posts ago I stopped being civil and just started ridiculing you. I refuse to expend the effort to engage you intellectually when there obviously isn't an intellect to be engaged... just another little chicom drone. Albeit one with WHITE FEVER!
It's also interesting to note how you'll ignore other people's points and do nothing but make ad hominems against everyone who disagrees with you (then complain when someone else does it to you), that's how fragile your beliefs are.
