Alfred Nobel was a war profiteer, and the award was created in an attempt to clean up his image. So Trump wanting one for vanity is at least on brand
 
So, now we know that cheeto ordered a man killed as a bribe to GOP senators to gain their favour in his impeachment trial.

Yep.
 
If elected, I would declare every single member of the military, active and reserves, guilty of dereliction of duty for not dragging this creature out of the WH. They swore an oath.

Those giving Trump the options knew the option he chose was an unlawful order, yet they carried it out.
 

figmentPez

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I'm with Soledad O'Brien, news outlets really need to stop mincing words when it comes to politicians lying.


 
He’s working hard to add “War Crimes” to the list of things the Right can retort with “This is the latest Lib smear campaign, it’s all they can talk about.”

—Patrick
 

figmentPez

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Let's play a game: Is it an example of "Republicans don't understand technology", or "Republicans only pretend to support democracy"?

Trump tweeted, in Persian, a message to the Iranian government, the Google translation is, "The Iranian government should allow human rights groups to monitor and report on the current reality of protests in the Iranian people. We should not see the peaceful killing of protesters again or the Internet shut down. The world is watching."

Shutting down the internet would only serve to make it even harder for human rights groups to get their message out to the world. I'm not even sure how Trump plans to do such a thing, either.
 
I took that as Trump['s handlers] suggesting that Iran not shut down the Internet nor cause trouble for rights groups.

--Patrick
 
Let's play a game: Is it an example of "Republicans don't understand technology", or "Republicans only pretend to support democracy"?

Trump tweeted, in Persian, a message to the Iranian government, the Google translation is, "The Iranian government should allow human rights groups to monitor and report on the current reality of protests in the Iranian people. We should not see the peaceful killing of protesters again or the Internet shut down. The world is watching."

Shutting down the internet would only serve to make it even harder for human rights groups to get their message out to the world. I'm not even sure how Trump plans to do such a thing, either.
Am I missing something? Isn't that the point? If the Iranian government shut down the internet, it would be hard to monitor abuses. If they did that, you could probably assume abuses were going on, and that's bad. Trump is saying don't do that, that would be bad. I'm not seeing the problem here.
 

figmentPez

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Am I missing something? Isn't that the point? If the Iranian government shut down the internet, it would be hard to monitor abuses. If they did that, you could probably assume abuses were going on, and that's bad. Trump is saying don't do that, that would be bad. I'm not seeing the problem here.
Nevermind, I misread the sentence. I thought Trump was threatening to shut down the internet if they didn't stop killing protestors.
 
Speaking as a professional translator, using machine translation to conduct diplomacy is about as good an idea as trying to fix a blockage in your septic system by randomly banging on it as hard as you can with a monkey wrench. Best case scenario, you get lucky and it works. Worst case scenario, you're knee deep in shit.
 
Speaking as a professional translator, using machine translation to conduct diplomacy is about as good an idea as trying to fix a blockage in your septic system by randomly banging on it as hard as you can with a monkey wrench. Best case scenario, you get lucky and it works. Worst case scenario, you're knee deep in shit.
In this case, accurately translating Trump's words is the worst possible scenario, so we gotta hope we get lucky and the machine fucks up enough that a different meaning is implied.
 

figmentPez

Staff member
Speaking as a professional translator, using machine translation to conduct diplomacy is about as good an idea as trying to fix a blockage in your septic system by randomly banging on it as hard as you can with a monkey wrench. Best case scenario, you get lucky and it works. Worst case scenario, you're knee deep in shit.
Let me be clear that I posted an English translation of a tweet that was originally sent out in what Google translate said was Persian. I took the tweet and had it machine translated. I have no idea how the language in the tweet was crafted, and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't have a hand in it at all.
 
Let me be clear that I posted an English translation of a tweet that was originally sent out in what Google translate said was Persian. I took the tweet and had it machine translated. I have no idea how the language in the tweet was crafted, and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't have a hand in it at all.
Ah, I misread and thought Trump had used machine translation. Which, admittedly, does sound like the kind of thing he'd do.
 
Just a normal day, casually talking about assassinating a US ambassador, no big deal.
 
Kind of simplifies why the ambassador was ordered to flee the country in the middle of the night, no time to pack a bag or change clothes.

I really want Paul Walter Hauser to play cheeto in the movie. He was perfect in I, Tonya.
 

Zappit

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I’d rather they dust off the Jabba the Hutt puppet and put a Trump wig on it.
 
The fact that all this shit is out there on the table and you still have the people in charge now that you did while this was all happening just shows how abysmally broken the entire system is.
 

figmentPez

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Reminder that every single Republican is a two-faced, lying sack of dishonesty.

Collins rejects new evidence in Trump trial after saying she'd welcome it

"Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said on Wednesday she doesn't think newly released evidence, which happens to show Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump were deeply involved in the effort to force Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, should be allowed at the Senate impeachment trial."
.....
"When reporters reminded Collins of that fact that Parnas just released documents to House investigators yesterday, she replied, 'Well, doesn't that suggest that the House did an incomplete job then?' "

Yeah, just keep on moving those goal posts....
 
Reminder that every single Republican is a two-faced, lying sack of dishonesty.

Collins rejects new evidence in Trump trial after saying she'd welcome it

"Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) said on Wednesday she doesn't think newly released evidence, which happens to show Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump were deeply involved in the effort to force Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, should be allowed at the Senate impeachment trial."
.....
"When reporters reminded Collins of that fact that Parnas just released documents to House investigators yesterday, she replied, 'Well, doesn't that suggest that the House did an incomplete job then?' "

Yeah, just keep on moving those goal posts....
I don't think anyone actually believes Collins will go against the grain at this point anyways.
 
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