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I'm making this thread so I don't waste posts on the webcomic appreciation thread, which is supposed to be about good web comics. SO- in the recent comics the violent fembot tried killing the independent fembot and in so they both tumble into the famous "Reality zone". Now the reality zone is supposed to be just that a zone where if a cartoon character would go in, they would be shown as a realistic character. The exception of course being the devil who implied if he went into said zone, he would probably not exist there. So what would happen if two high tech super intelligent robots made by the devil's robot maker guy? WHY FREEDOM OF COURSE! Yes, not something LOGICAL which is the utter definition of thre reality zone like them disapearing from existence due to our science not being able to make robots of such caliber; not the independent robot losing her Independence as the concept true choice from a robot is most likely impossible; no what does happen is that the violent fembot stops taking orders from the robot maker guy. SO- this makes no damn sense. Why would going to the reality zone do that? The word robot comes from the czech word "robotnik"(I didn't know that was a real word either until "The World's End) meaning slave, so logically any personality that either would have would completely disappear. This could be the first time the reality zone would be shown as a bad thing, that sometimes its good for something unrealistic to BE unrealistic. But instead, we get YET ANOTHER ham fisted feminism metaphor.

I gave up on this comic a couple of years ago. He had his head rammed so far up his own ass it was making the comic unbearable. It sounds like things only got worse.

Yeah. I haven't read Sinfest in about 5 years. By that time I started thinking it should have been renamed Snore-fest.

Maybe he's courting Hollywood?

--Patrick

As I've said the last couple times this question was asked, he either got a new girlfriend, or wants a particular one, who is a raging "down-with-the-patriarchy" super duper feminazi. I've seen guys have these kind of personality changes before, and there's usually a woman to blame.

The devil girl comics are usually alright when he does them, or the Lil'E ones. But like Bones, I just can't stomach the prepubescent manhating tricycle gang stuff.

I've given up on Sinfest a few years ago too. It's still in my "other webcomics" list, and I'll visit occasionally, but the funny ones are few and far between. I mean, it's sad - there were plenty of beautiful stories being told - the nerdy guy and the...errr...blue devilgirl? Slick sometimes slowly evolving. 'Nique getting depth and purpose and all. Seymour and Li'l E changing.
The "all men are evil and should die - the Devil is actually controlling all men and women ahve to fight to break free" thing is just too overpowering and involved in all other storylines, making them, as well, unenjoyable. I don't mind a feminist message. I don't mind other political messages, either (plenty of his "earlier" America-and-Freedom comics still ring true), whether I agree or not. but at a certain point it's coming close to hate speech. This comic with the roles reversed would've been attacked by feminists a long time ago, and I'd have been in agreement.
Also, some of the Devil's spycams and such have entered the Reality Zone before - only to break and stop working. There's no reason at all to think the Reality Zone would make Devilbots human and free. Au contraire.

WasabiPoptart said:

Yeah. I haven't read Sinfest in about 5 years. By that time I started thinking it should have been renamed Snore-fest.

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You were smart to leave when it JUST bored you, rather than the rest of us who were just annoyed and later disgusted.

Bubble181 said:

Also, some of the Devil's spycams and such have entered the Reality Zone before - only to break and stop working. There's no reason at all to think the Reality Zone would make Devilbots human and free. Au contraire.

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EXACTLY- the fembots probably run on similar cartoony robot designs, so logically they should've blown up or just malfunctioned. Them gaining freedom I.E. turning human is the exact OPPOSITE of reality, its down right cartoony! You can't make a damn world where cartoony characters are meant to enjoy the rigid yet beautiful world of reality without having the basic damn rules!

On the very very very very VERY rare time of me praising current Sinfest, I do agree Devil girl and Lil' E are the best characters in that they aren't spouting some crappy agenda every damn panel.

What he's doing is NOT feminism. It's some twisted, ridiculous, child-like attempt at social justice without truly understanding what he's talking about.

Tress said:

What he's doing is NOT feminism. It's some twisted, ridiculous, child-like attempt at social justice without truly understanding what he's talking about.

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In other words, tumblr.

DarkAudit said:

In other words, tumblr.

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Seriously, it's like he's quoting whichever post tops TumblrInAction that given day.

And after a few somewhat funny comics, we are back to crap. Dear lord my eyes can't roll to the side far enough about how bad that pun is. Not as bad as the overused religion metaphor but still.

...wow. I...am not sure what reason to call this bad for. Its not cos its racist, because Tats had done racial humor in the past thats worked. Maybe 'cos this joke was done FIFTY MILLION TIMES! Its a toss-up of whats worse about the new strips, the bad interpretation of feminism or the bad jokes!

Around here, you try to hail a cab and they'll run you over. Black, white, green, red, doesn't matter. They run off dispatch only, and will pick you up if and when they feel like it.

Yoshimickster said:

You were smart to leave when it JUST bored you, rather than the rest of us who were just annoyed and later disgusted.





EXACTLY- the fembots probably run on similar cartoony robot designs, so logically they should've blown up or just malfunctioned. Them gaining freedom I.E. turning human is the exact OPPOSITE of reality, its down right cartoony! You can't make a damn world where cartoony characters are meant to enjoy the rigid yet beautiful world of reality without having the basic damn rules!

On the very very very very VERY rare time of me praising current Sinfest, I do agree Devil girl and Lil' E are the best characters in that they aren't spouting some crappy agenda every damn panel.

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He's actually being quite true to the original story that invented the word robot.

Yoshimickster said:

...wow. I...am not sure what reason to call this bad for. Its not cos its racist, because Tats had done racial humor in the past thats worked. Maybe 'cos this joke was done FIFTY MILLION TIMES! Its a toss-up of whats worse about the new strips, the bad interpretation of feminism or the bad jokes!

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He's done this strip a dozen times over. The whole "our most fondest, fanciful, long term wish is simply to be treated normally, because (insert minority group here) experiences nothing but painful, degrading horror every day 24/7/365 you ciswhitemale scumbag racist rapist-in-waiting." That.

GasBandit said:

He's done this strip a dozen times over. The whole "our most fondest, fanciful, long term wish is simply to be treated normally, because (insert minority group here) experiences nothing but painful, degrading horror every day 24/7/365 you ciswhitemale scumbag racist rapist-in-waiting." That.

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That too, yeah. The guy is just a repetitive unfunny mess. I miss when he was a repetitive FUNNY mess.



Okay...she is girl Huey. Next thing you know the sunday page is going to be a fancy dinner and she tells everybody "the truth", and everybody applauds.

Wow, I used to adore this comic! I remember reading through it from the start, getting all caught up, and then it stopped being funny and I gave up on it. I may have to read the earlier ones again!

heatherling said:

Wow, I used to adore this comic! I remember reading through it from the start, getting all caught up, and then it stopped being funny and I gave up on it. I may have to read the earlier ones again!

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Read up to page 4045, thats when things started spiraling into Kishin style madness.

Page 4912 (I'm sorry, I was wandering around the net...) showcases all that has gone wrong with the comic. There's absolutely no punchline, besides "church and man - evil. Women only space - good".

There have been a lot of pages without punchlines, even back when sinfest was good, because it periodically tried to get "deep," affecting a sophomoric attempt at philosophy. While page 4912 is rather banal and devoid of entertainment value, it's not the worst example (though it is a very broad one) of what sinfest has become. It doesn't feature any sisterhood rugrats, for one, and if you ask me, they're the worst thing to come along in the comic, ever.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say Charlie took over the writing.

Bubble181 said:

Page 4912 (I'm sorry, I was wandering around the net...) showcases all that has gone wrong with the comic. There's absolutely no punchline, besides "church and man - evil. Women only space - good".

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And climbing up trees to look at pegasi, can't forget that! Especially how with the addition of the man hatred, its pretty much exactly like a sunday comic he did in September of 2011.

Oh also Slick's frozen heart moved because he's a guy and guys are closed off to there emotions and bla bla bla symbolism. And while I can buy his heart being frozen, wouldn't that be from the years of rejection from trying to romance Monique? Yeah, remember when that was a major sub-plot?! Hell he even admitted that he straight up LOVED her at one point, but once again rejection to keep the plot going. That willthey/won'tthey sub-plot was one of the most interesting things about the comic and now Tats has just said fuck it and had them almost completely stop talking to each other. Damn shame.

GasBandit said:

There have been a lot of pages without punchlines, even back when sinfest was good, because it periodically tried to get "deep," affecting a sophomoric attempt at philosophy. While page 4912 is rather banal and devoid of entertainment value, it's not the worst example (though it is a very broad one) of what sinfest has become. It doesn't feature any sisterhood rugrats, for one, and if you ask me, they're the worst thing to come along in the comic, ever.

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I don't know. Yoshi said it all went downhill after 4045 - 4046 and 4047 are, to me, still relatively funny, when seen "alone". It's only as build-up to the whole femi-I-don't-know-what-to-call-it-fest they're annoying. As one-offs, the Matriarchy Trike Girl isn't the oddest or weirdest "one note" characters to appear. It's only odd that she managed to take over the comic
Trike Girl is not necessarily worse as a character than Mister USA or Lady Freedom, or Jesus Fanboy or Li'l E. The others have grown beyond their stereotypes, Trike Girl hasn't. Her one note has become the sole focus of the comic - as such, a comic like 4912 is what I think is so problematic - even the comics where the characters aren't directly invested in it are still 100% about it.
Oh, and also - I sometimes liked the quasi-philosophical Sinfests. This one's meaning is what bothers me. The "deeper" level of this one really does just seem to be "all men are evil, the only way for a woman to have interesting adventures and a fulfilling life is by swearing off all men, always, everywhere".[DOUBLEPOST=1392925178,1392925092][/DOUBLEPOST]My memory isn't as good as yours Yoshi, that one really is pretty much the exact same thing with "...and men suck" added to it.

The Slick's heart thing....Yeah, cringed at that one too

The slick's heart arc has been slowly going a long time. It's because his "devil" self locked it away by watching porn. Slick's sworn off pornography, so now his heart is slowly thawing out again. I might expect in the next 3 to 6 months to have him transform into an emasculated, completely non-threatening anti-slick.

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The slick's heart arc has been slowly going a long time. It's because his "devil" self locked it away by watching porn. Slick's sworn off pornography, so now his heart is slowly thawing out again. I might expect in the next 3 to 6 months to have him transform into an emasculated, completely non-threatening anti-slick.

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Actually regular Slick put it in there to protect it from himself to make him not watch porn, however Devil Slick was able to unlock the safe and get the heart use it to ...pay for porn. SYMBOLISM! Then Slick decided to quit porn cold turkey, causing the safe to be IMPOSSIBLE for Devil Slick to open. Months later, Slick decides to open up the safe seeing that his heart- HAS FROZEN! So basically what we've learned here is that complete abstinence from sexual urges leads to an icy heart and its okay to watch porn and have sexual urges like any normal human man! That's not what he probably meant, but its how I'm interpreting it.

How am I sure of the story? Because I just did a post-good Sinfest binge and skipped all the non-Slick comics! So...almost all of them.

I think 4711 sheds light on how Sinfest came to suck so bad. It used to be gaudy parody, then it just turned vapidly preachy. One of the author avatars explains...



Translation: "I'm Tatsuya Ishida. I used to make a popular comic with a dash of mindless sex appeal, then one day I got a girlfriend who spends all day on tumblr, and now my comic is intolerable but I get SO much freaky boo-tay because she loves shit that reaffirms her damaged outlook."

Damn straight, and lets not forget how he sometimes literally demonizes his original works.
Dear lord, this comic is so smug it could cause a storm front. "I, cartoonist hereby agree to relinquish ownership of my soul in exchange for fame, fortune, and fangirls." Delusion aside, really? Making your old stuff was akin to selling your soul?

...Wow. I hadn't seen that one. I mean, that's just....What? His earleir works were also playing off stereotypes and making fun of arrogance/mysoginy/entitlement, weren't they? Did I miss the memo about being supposed to read those without any sarcastic or ironic subtext? That's beyond ridiculous.

Bubble181 said:

...Wow. I hadn't seen that one. I mean, that's just....What? His earleir works were also playing off stereotypes and making fun of arrogance/mysoginy/entitlement, weren't they? Did I miss the memo about being supposed to read those without any sarcastic or ironic subtext? That's beyond ridiculous.

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It's probably dictated from the perspective of his Yoko.

Does anyone else worry that his Yoko is him with a wig? I've said it before, but the new strips REEK of crazy. And not the fun at parties Kanye West crazy, I mean the scary Alan Moore/Frank Miller crazy.

*cough*Charlie*cough*

Aaaaaand today Tatsuya shows he's just as ill-informed and sophomoric about politics as he is about... well, everything else.



First of all, "No government" isn't Libertarianism, it's Anarchy. Libertarians don't want to abolish the government, they merely want to reduce it to minimum intrusiveness. Libertarians like having police and firefighters and roads and bridges as much as any Democrat (moreso maybe in some cases). But even all that aside - WHAT A CRUSHING AND INSIGHTFUL REBUTTAL! "lol libertarians" says the violence-prone prepubescent. WELP CONSIDER ME CONVINCED, WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR HIGH TAXES AND GOVERNMENT CHEESE?

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Aaaaaand today Tatsuya shows he's just as ill-informed and sophomoric about politics as he is about... well, everything else.

First of all, "No government" isn't Libertarianism, it's Anarchy. Libertarians don't want to abolish the government, they merely want to reduce it to minimum intrusiveness. Libertarians like having police and firefighters and roads and bridges as much as any Democrat (moreso maybe in some cases). But even all that aside - WHAT A CRUSHING AND INSIGHTFUL REBUTTAL! "lol libertarians" says the violence-prone prepubescent. WELP CONSIDER ME CONVINCED, WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR HIGH TAXES AND GOVERNMENT CHEESE?

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Not to mention, Tatsuya's always railing against government control and invasion of privacy in the comics. It's like he's just angry at everybody--big government, small government, no government--as long as it has something to do with government, there's something to rage about.

So the Sisterhood, characters who hate being controlled...are mocking other characters who hate being controlled. I guess because they're men their complaints are therefore invalid.

Today's was pretty good. Generally the devilgirl story stuff is ok. Probably because the story isn't drowned out by anvilicious social commentary. But it does kind have a fridge logic moment..

"Wait, Satan was young during the modern age at some point and didn't own everything yet?" And it's odd that current-day satan is 10-15 years older than this one, but the girls have barely aged at all.

Yeah that is weird, he's supposed to be the straight up Devil right? Like thousands of years old? What, does he go through regeneration cycles ala time lords? A lesser complaing but its still up there.

Oh, FFS. Just kill it off now and change the name to "The Sisterhood".

Other than being a bad joke on S&M in general, I am confused at "Porn Man". For one, Tatsuya seems to be reeeeeeeeeeeeally fixated on the concept that all porn involves torture and pain. It does not, you have the internet- LOOK IT UP! Also I thought he was more a metaphysical spirtual type character, but now he's a real person interacting with the cast. This comic is way more confusing than it needs to be.

And in my opinion, he put way too much effort into panel three. Work on your writing, not your art Tats.

Sinfest hasn't been that bad lately but...he changed the site design. How do I put this lightly, I hate it with the burning passion of a thousand suns. It just looks so plain, like a generic comic genesis site!

That's why I read comics via RSS feed usually - that way I don't have to put up with that sort of thing.

GasBandit said:

That's why I read comics via RSS feed usually - that way I don't have to put up with that sort of thing.

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Good plan, still it feels like the end of an era.

Fuck you, Tatsuya. Just fuck you. And triple fuck your fucking web designers.

Opening the comic on the iPad throws you to the app store instead to download a game instead. Fuck that.

*Enter thread; look around.

Ok, I'm not the only one wondering to myself why I am still reading this crap.

For me its nostalgic habit, and the hope that Tatsuya admits that the recent strips were from him being under an insanity curse.

That was me, hit the anonymous button accidentally.

I, for one, look forward to the huge misogynistic backlash comics when his yoko dumps him.

GasBandit said:

I, for one, look forward to the huge misogynistic backlash comics when his yoko dumps him.

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When that happens let me know. I'll come back.

GasBandit said:

I, for one, look forward to the huge misogynistic backlash comics when his yoko dumps him.

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It will be known as his "Steve Dallas" period.

--Patrick

You ever get the feeling Charlie's writing this crap during his most foaming-at-the-mouth white knight periods?

No.

--Patrick

Way to go fembot, you just let devil Slick get real Slick's heart literally broken by porn man which...is a right of passage for a cult based on worshiping masculinity? I have no idea what is going on with Slick's subplot anymore. I'd harp about the former main character's story being a sub-plot, but won't out of courtesy of not being too repetitive.

Yoshimickster said:

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Way to go fembot, you just let devil Slick get real Slick's heart literally broken by porn man which...is a right of passage for a cult based on worshiping masculinity? I have no idea what is going on with Slick's subplot anymore. I'd harp about the former main character's story being a sub-plot, but won't out of courtesy of not being too repetitive.

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WTF is this shit?

Ravenpoe said:

WTF is this shit?

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The confused madness of a man who took his own satire too seriously. Ishida is to web-comics what Miller is to print.

So 'nique is now officially out. Yay for her and fuck her, too. Because it was an excuse to turn her back on her friends for no good reason.

And is it time to put Slick on a milk carton or something?

DarkAudit said:

So 'nique is now officially out. Yay for her and fuck her, too. Because it was an excuse to turn her back on her friends for no good reason.

And is it time to put Slick on a milk carton or something?

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I think even Tatsuya has forgotten what the comic is about now.

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I think even Tatsuya has forgotten what the comic is about now.

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He reminds us every couple of days...

I haven't been keeping up; if both 'niue and Slick are gone, who's the main character now? The pig?

Zero Esc said:

I haven't been keeping up; if both 'niue and Slick are gone, who's the main character now? The pig?

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'nique is still around. She hangs out with perky pigtailed devil girl now.

Zero Esc said:

I haven't been keeping up; if both 'niue and Slick are gone, who's the main character now? The pig?

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I think he meant out as in she's now a lesbian. Because Tumblr loves them some lesbian. I'm surprised Slick isn't coming back as a trans. (not that there's anything wrong with that but it is not in keeping with the character and would be shoe-horning for the sake of having it there.)

Ohhhh, out. Got it.

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Ohhhh, out. Got it.

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That's conjecture on my part. I haven't read that strip in years.

Dave said:

That's conjecture on my part. I haven't read that strip in years.

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Yeah.
And it's no reason for her and Slick to not even cross paths anymore.

Speak of the Slick and he will appear! That's another one for the "Tatsuya is Charlie" file.

That latest comic hurt to read. So if the writer has infinite control on everything, did he ALSO have control over when he made the edgy comics that he supposedly made a deal with a devil for?

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not the independent robot losing her Independence as the concept true choice from a robot is most likely impossible;.

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I have no idea what this comic is about or whatever, but i have to object to this claim of yours.

There's nothing that we know of that would imply humans aren't just meat machines, so, if we go with the most likely course of reality there's no reason to assume a human acting robot is impossible. Hell, the concept of true choice itself requires pretty much magic to be real (sure, uncertainty principle and all that might mean we never get to a place where we can predict future decisions 100%, but it's still a deterministic system, we're just unable to see all the variables at the same time)

Dear dipshit, "Kill all men" != social justice.

DarkAudit said:

Dear dipshit, "Kill all men" != social justice.

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okay i see what you're saying here, but I still understand why people interested in social justice say "kill all men"

also thanks for dragging my name two years ago in a thread i never even looked in, much less posted in until now

...Waitaminute. He was talking about the artist who draws Sinfest, not you.

jwhouk said:

...Waitaminute. He was talking about the artist who draws Sinfest, not you.

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DarkAudit said:

You ever get the feeling Charlie's writing this crap during his most foaming-at-the-mouth white knight periods?

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Here we go again...

So much for that break from the sisterhood...

DarkAudit said:

So much for that break from the sisterhood...

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All good things come to an end.

Still in freakout mode it appears. Big Red still writing the scripts?

So anyone knows, the comic still sucks, and Tats is also a total transphobe. May his genitals be eaten by bears.

I admit I had forgotten about this thread.

—Patrick

PatrThom said:

I admit I had forgotten about this thread.

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I wish I had, but still wanted to vent my FRUSTRATIONS about the faux-feminist HACK that is Tats!

Yoshimickster said:

I wish I had, but still wanted to vent my FRUSTRATIONS about the faux-feminist HACK that is Tats!

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Ok I tried going back to read some of the latest sinfest and I can't even tell wtf is going on.

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Ok I tried going back to read some of the latest sinfest and I can't even tell wtf is going on.

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Preaching to the preacher, it seems the more idiotic Tats' politics get, the more confusing the comic's lore gets. It just sucks because his art is REALLY good but the writing keeps getting worse.

Is...is he trying to say that identifying as ANY gender is sexist?

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Is...is he trying to say that identifying as ANY gender is sexist?

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I think he's just gone full terf

So, I was bored. And I made the mistake of going to visit Sinfest, see what became of it.

The current storyline starts at about https://sinfest.xyz/view.php?date=2022-04-07 (it's number 9 but the first 8 aren't really connected all that much).

Public school = woke training center
Teachers are reptilian overlords, children are brainwashed to accept it.
Covid is fake, war in Ukraine is fake and just a distraction.
Vax zombies are now war zombies, sheeple following the narrative.
Trans women are creeps abusing girls.
Woke people are weak slaves of the government who can't stand up for themselves and need pampering.
LGBTQIA2S+ people are indoctrinating our children against the USA.
Trans people don't exist, and children need to be protected from such crazy
Anyone who wears a mask is a sheep

...I...I remember when this was a fun little comic about boys having a crush on girls and the Devil helping Slick get laid. I remember when it became a super-sexist-hyper-feminist anti-male thing. Then it became a TERF playground where only Real Natural Born Women were Good.

It's amazing seeing illustrated this clearly how some people really slide into a mental space they can't crawl out of. I mean, it's a similar thing with some Trumpists who lose sight of reality, and where you see formerly smart people completely fall into conspiracy theory madness, just on the other side...But it's rarely so....so visible?

Its like just when you think he's all READY gone off the deep end, there's a lower depth he can still fall off from.

Yeah, Tatsuya went off the deep end many years ago, as this thread documents. First he took a hard left then a MUCH harder right. The rumor is he was trying to impress a very leftist-minded girl he had a crush on, but she told him to buzz off and now he's ultra-reactionary. It's such a shame. Yeah, it was a fun little comic 10 or 15 years ago, but oof.

The woke survivalist is the most absurd to me. As if I don't welcome oblivion

Someone posted one of the public school lizardmarm comics in another Discord server I’m part of. And until reading this thread update, I didn’t realize it was Sinfest, I just assumed it was some right-wing political cartoon. Which, in a way, I suppose it is, now.

—Patrick

This is stupid on so many levels:



Partly for the ham-fisted anti-environmetal message, but mainly because Starscream is a Decepticon and hates humans!

Choosing an Autobot would not only have been more fitting for a hero, but also fit better thematically with the message. A semi-truck or a consumer vehicle are far more likely to be targeted with some imaginary "carbon limit" than a military jet.

God damn fake nerd boys.

Jeezus, is that hack STILL publishing?

GasBandit said:

Jeezus, is that hack STILL publishing?

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Amazingly yes, and this thread shall remain to point out his foibles.

Once every eighteen months or so I go to their website, and I'm.... I dunno. Amazed isn't the word I'm looking for, I guess? Something.

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Once every eighteen months or so I go to their website, and I'm.... I dunno. Amazed isn't the word I'm looking for, I guess? Something.

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Apalled?

Yes that’s it. Because Nazis are what you get when you feed a Jew after midnight, right?

—Patrick

Yeesh. I used to really enjoy Sinfest. Even when he was leaning hard left for a while, I figured he was going off the zeal of the newly converted and he'd calm down after a while. But he really kept on going until he got to hard right.

When is he going to become "Weird, but going to therapy guy"? Because that has been a long time coming.

(I keep forgetting Sinfest exists until this thread updates.)

drifter said:

Yeesh. I used to really enjoy Sinfest. Even when he was leaning hard left for a while, I figured he was going off the zeal of the newly converted and he'd calm down after a while. But he really kept on going until he got to hard right.

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He keeps himself isolated, and isolation combined with being perpetually online is a pipeline right into the alt-right and generic brain rot.

(source)
...oh, buddy. Where to begin.

One of the comments links to this chronological breakdown of the fall of Sinfest.

--Patrick

Well, let's add outright antisemitism to the list!
I'm pretty sure this comic all on its own would be deemed somewhere between "problematic" and "illegal pushing of hatred" in quite a few countries.

Also the whole "jelly donut" thing.

--Patrick

I just went a few comics back and found...this-


I'm really confused what the hell he's going for here, also confused why a Japanese man cares so much about how white people are treated.

It's such a lonely word.

--Patrick

PatrThom said:

It's such a lonely word.

--Patrick

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I dunno, I think you're usually not alone when it happens.

Bubble181 said:

I dunno, I think you're usually not alone when it happens.

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--Patrick