Tell me why I should(n't) get Civ IV

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Wahad

Wahad

So I've been looking at a new game to play, and I've heard Civ IV is a great game. As a casual player of strategy games (although I prefer RTS, TBS games are okay in my book) it seems like a good bet. However, some people have told me it was boring/slow.

Therefore I turn to you, Halforums. Should or should I not play Civ IV?
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Have you ever played turn-based/4X strategy games before? Or any of the previous Civ games, specifically?

If the answer to either of those is a positively-themed "yes", then take Dave's advice.
 
Wahad

Wahad

I'm not sure what 4x games are, but I've played Heroes of Might and Magic (II, III and IV) as far as TBS go. Haven't played any of the Civ games. Like I said, I prefer RTSes, but I liked the HoMM series.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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$10 doesn't seem like that much of a risk, if you're worried about not liking it.

However, if you're worried about being addicted to it, Civ IV is whole lotta gaming crack.
 
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Chibibar

Dave said:
In that case you'll like this. Have fun. See ya next year.
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hehe... That sounds about right. I remember when Civ IV first came out, my friend disappear for like 4 months.
 
Wahad

Wahad

figmentPez said:
$10 doesn't seem like that much of a risk, if you're worried about not liking it.

However, if you're worried about being addicted to it, Civ IV is whole lotta gaming crack.
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Unfortunately D2D is only available in North America/Canada/Mexico - which is where I'm not. So 20 bucks for me. Still, if all y'all think it's a good idea then I suppose it's not so bad after all.
 
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Chibibar

Wahad;380131][QUOTE=figmentPez said:
$10 doesn't seem like that much of a risk, if you're worried about not liking it.

However, if you're worried about being addicted to it, Civ IV is whole lotta gaming crack.
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Unfortunately D2D is only available in North America/Canada/Mexico - which is where I'm not. So 20 bucks for me. Still, if all y'all think it's a good idea then I suppose it's not so bad after all.[/QUOTE]

best crack you'll ever paid for 20$... I'm just saying ;)
 
Wahad

Wahad

Oh hey! That works. Thanks Pez!

...or not. ''This product is only available for purchase in France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Aland Island.''

What the hell? They have the Faroe Islands on there but not the Netherlands?
 
Dave

Dave

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The Netherlands isn't a real place anyway. It's like Finland. They just tell us it exists. Like Santa Claus or women who really mean it when they say nothing is wrong.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Dave said:
The Netherlands isn't a real place anyway. It's like Finland. They just tell us it exists. Like Santa Claus or women who really mean it when they say nothing is wrong.
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Now, now, it's been well-documented that Finland disappeared from this plane when the Berlin Wall fell, and even now, they wait and watch in the aether, preparing for the Day to End All Days when the Soviets return to cast the world down into the Darkness.
 
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Soliloquy

If you like strategy games at all, you'll like Civ IV, I think.

Just... try to get to bed before the sun comes up.
 
Espy

Espy

I've just head it's a lot less action oriented than the Age of Empires games, so I always figured it might not be my cup of tea.
 
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Soliloquy

Espy said:
I've just head it's a lot less action oriented than the Age of Empires games, so I always figured it might not be my cup of tea.
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That's true, there's a lot less action. But it grabs you because of the amount of time you spend devoted to getting the biggest and baddest weapons, the coolest upgrades, the grandest civilization, and trying to find that goddamn iron ore.
 
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Papillon

Soliloquy;380215][QUOTE=Espy said:
I've just head it's a lot less action oriented than the Age of Empires games, so I always figured it might not be my cup of tea.
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That's true, there's a lot less action. But it grabs you because of the amount of time you spend devoted to getting the biggest and baddest weapons, the coolest upgrades, the grandest civilization, and trying to find that goddamn iron ore.[/QUOTE]

If it's anything like Civ III, I could always get enough iron. It was the oil that killed me.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

It is a very fun game, and I really appreciate the fact that I can walk away from it to tend to other things.
 
Math242

Math242

CIV IV is not as good without it's expansion Beyond the sword. So be sure to grab the complete edition of the game.

Then install patch 3.19 and the bug mod, you will now be ready to play the best game in existence.
 
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Chazwozel

I don't like CIV IV for one. I like real-time strategy games like Command and Conquer and Warcraft where I can see my little unit guys running along the map...
 
Dave

Dave

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See, I totally disagree with you. I hate RTS games. The computer cheats, it takes forever to build shit and I hate, hate HATE it when I'm doing something on one part of the screen and I start getting attacked offscreen. Also in the heat of things in a RTS you tend to grab large groups of units to move/give orders. In a turn-based you can set orders for individual units and I really dig that.
 
Math242

Math242

i don't even know why there is a comparison between these RTS (both outstanding games) and CIV IV. they have nothing to do with each others.

it's like me saying i don't like NBA2K9 because i'd rather play football.
 
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Chazwozel

Espy said:
If I like the Age of... Games will I like Civ 4? Are they similar?
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No. You may not like Civ 4. Age of Games are RTS, while Civ 4 is all turn based. Different style.

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Math242 said:
i don't even know why there is a comparison between these RTS (both outstanding games) and CIV IV. they have nothing to do with each others.

it's like me saying i don't like NBA2K9 because i'd rather play football.
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They're all strategy games...

I just prefer Real Time mechanics, for the exact reasons Dave doesn't. Grandpa here is too slow on the reflexes to respond to offscreen attacks etc... :-D
 
Math242

Math242

about the Netherlands: Wilhelm is a sneaky bastard and one of the strongest leaders.

CRE/FIN leader with a decent UU and a wonderful UB. = uber tech whore who actually sometimes builds an army
 
Necronic

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Math242 said:
i don't even know why there is a comparison between these RTS (both outstanding games) and CIV IV. they have nothing to do with each others.

it's like me saying i don't like NBA2K9 because i'd rather play football.
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Yeah, they really are completely different. RTS has more in common with FPS games than 4x games as they are twitch based, with the exception of the ones that can be paused and orders can be given out.

Personally I don't like many RTS games. This could be because I suck at them, but I think its more that I don't like the lack of complex strategy in them. Min/Maxers chew them up and spit out single strategies that don't require a lot of modification. This unit is good, this unit is bad. This is your build order, this is your research order. Here are the 20 buttons you should push in the first 10 seconds of the game. Took you 11 seconds? You loose (ok, that may be an exaggeration).

I guess a better comparison is that 4X is chess, where RTS is basketball. There is strategy in both, but one is purely a thinking mans game, where the other requires snap decisions.

Anyways, to the OP and Espy, if you haven't played Civ4 give it a try, it is quite possibly the best game of its genre (Gal Civ gives it a run for its money due to better AI). HOMM really isn't all that different, its just a really simplified version of it. But take all the warnings about loosing large chunks of your life. In the games I play it can take me 2-4 hours to complete a single turn in the late game, and there are hundreds to thousands of terms. I have only ever finished a couple of games.

And don't let Ghandi fool you. He's a prick.
 
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Chazwozel

Amorous Eyes;381279][QUOTE=Necronic said:
I don't like RTS games. This because I don't like the lack of complex strategy in them. Min/Maxers chew them up and spit out single strategies that don't require a lot of modification. This unit is good, this unit is bad. This is your build order, this is your research order. Here are the 20 buttons you should push in the first 10 seconds of the game. Took you 11 seconds? You loose (ok, that may be an exaggeration).
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This. This exactly, is why I cannot (and will not) play, or even be able to ENJOY playing RTS games. Zerg rush in 10 seconds, game over. WTF? How was that supposed to be fun?
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Except that's not the case, unless you suck...
 
Math242

Math242

yeah, that does not happen unless there is a huge mismatch skill wise.

HUGE mismatch

but then it's the same for everything. If you play CIV IV with me on a small map and i feel like it, the game will be over by 1000 BC. Same as i got my ass handed to me by proven deity players.
 
Wahad

Wahad

Well, I bought it. First game: was heading towards a nuclear strike so I could bomb the hell out of everyone but I got killed when the Aztecs completely ripped through my defenses. It's fun, but not the crack everybody presented it to be.

Or maybe that's just me.
 
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