THE HOBBIT

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That review is supposed to be negative, but it hits on things I'm stoked for. I've said it earlier in the thread, but I liked the Hobbit a lot more than Lord of the Rings.
 
I probably won't be seeing this in 48 fps.

That doesn't take away me being SUPER AMAZING EXCITED for this fucking movie because come on. It's the Hobbit.
 
Yeah, won't be seeing it in 48fps either, since the closest is still over 100 miles away. I'll just be happy to see the movie, and won't be reading any reviews before I see it either.
 
All those Harry Potter comparisons making it out to be superior were making me angry for reasons I can't seem to explain. Regardless, I'm seeing this movie and deciding for myself.
 
It's the criticisms of how the movie looks in 48 fps that bug me the most. Guess I'll just have to wait and see.

I'm sure the people that have that God awful motion interpolation turned on on their tvs will like it. That shit makes my stomach turn to watch (not physically, I just hate it).
Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one. Motion interpolation is a great way to turn every film or TV show you watch on your TV into a cheap daytime soap opera.
 
Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one. Motion interpolation is a great way to turn every film or TV show you watch on your TV into a cheap daytime soap opera.
I agree. This bugs the shit out of me too -- given the choice, I'd still see this movie in 24FPS. I'm OK with movies looking more cinematic and less like stage plays.
 
I will be seeing it in 24fps, but if I like it and hear it's worth it, I'll probably go see it in 48 as well. For science.
 
Can someone explain the motion interpolation thing to me?

Is that what 60/120fps TV would actually look like (thus damning me to despise the future of TV), or is the hatred I feel for it due to the after-effect of fill-in to make something recorded in 24fps display in 60/120?
 
Can someone explain the motion interpolation thing to me?

Is that what 60/120fps TV would actually look like (thus damning me to despise the future of TV), or is the hatred I feel for it due to the after-effect of fill-in to make something recorded in 24fps display in 60/120?
Yeah, that's it.
 
Motion interpolation is taking 24fps or 29.97 fps footage and interpolating it to display as 120 or 240 fps depending on the television.

It essentially removes motion blur and makes things look unnaturally smooth moving (it looks extra stupid on films where the director has been using a particular camera setting to evoke mood and the motion interpolation obliterates it). It also creates bizzare looking visual artifacts as when you are making up that much data (5 times the orginal) you are bound to get glitches seeing as how the movies already contain small amounts of compression artifacting.

It's gimmicky horseshit.
 
As someone who has never read the Hobbit, I was under the impression that it was some big adventure. You know, because they say "adventure" in the trailer approximately 50 times.
 
NVM, I got it. So something filmed in 48 fps will look awesome as usual in 48, the bizarre effects come from upscaling the image.
 
That's just it, a lot of people are saying it makes it look like you're watching BBC soap opera or a stage play rather than a film.
 
Hmmm, interesting. I know what you mean, but I wonder what it looks like in the context of the Hobbit, where they certainly weren't short of budget for effects, costumes, and cinematography.
 
He means it looks cheap. The side-effect of the upscale makes it look like you're watching a guy in a costume instead of Lord Badassterson the Mighty.
 
Motion interpolation is taking 24fps or 29.97 fps footage and interpolating it to display as 120 or 240 fps depending on the television.

It essentially removes motion blur and makes things look unnaturally smooth moving (it looks extra stupid on films where the director has been using a particular camera setting to evoke mood and the motion interpolation obliterates it). It also creates bizzare looking visual artifacts as when you are making up that much data (5 times the orginal) you are bound to get glitches seeing as how the movies already contain small amounts of compression artifacting.

It's gimmicky horseshit.
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Colbert Report was awesome this week, Hobbit Week. Colbert just blows me away with his knowledge of Middle Earth. When he went to visit the film set last year he took a Tolkien Test and had the highest grade.
 

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He means it looks cheap. The side-effect of the upscale makes it look like you're watching a guy in a costume instead of Lord Badassterson the Mighty.
It's still better than watching guys in obvious latex armor waving obvious latex swords... I'm looking at you, Xena!

Besides... it can't be that bad. Can it?
 
That he beat Phillipa Boyen is kind of amazing.[DOUBLEPOST=1354897142][/DOUBLEPOST]If you think Xena looks bad normally, watching Xena with interpolation on is a new kind of awful. It's so bad looking, it takes you right out of the camp and into Felicia Day's Dragon Age Youtube movie territory.
 
It's still better than watching guys in obvious latex armor waving obvious latex swords... I'm looking at you, Xena!

Besides... it can't be that bad. Can it?
Yeah. It can.

My parents have a TV with a motion interpolation setting that they always leave turned on, and it makes everything look awful. Strangely enough, seeing things in a framerate that more closely mirrors real life is a constant reminder that you're watching a movie. I find it much harder to get lost in the cinematics if I'm constantly thinking how weird it looks.

Maybe it's just something that you have to get used to, but I hate it. I might watch it in 48FPS if I love the movie and feel like seeing it a second time in theaters, but otherwise I would go out of my way to avoid it (along with that D-Box shit with the moving chairs. I'm throwing a pre-party for the Hobbit with a bunch of my friends and plan to be pretty drunk for the movie, and that gimmicky bullshit seems like the fast way to throw up all over.)
 
The review I read said that the 48fps is both a blessing and a curse. That at times it looks super fake but that at other times everything looks, just amazing real. I'm guessing this movie is about figuring out how to do something new with technology, which, hey, you gotta do sometimes. I'm ok with this.
 
I'm interested in seeing it both ways.

Typically the movie look is complex, involving dozens of factors including film, filters, lenses, etc.

One of the bigger ones is that most films are filmed at 24 frames per second, about the slowest you can go that people won't notice flickering.

This means you can expose the film up to one twenty fourth of a second, so anything that moves during the exposure of a single frame is blurred by the motion. A director might choose to have a short exposure time, which reduces blur, but brings everything seemingly into better focus. This looks hyper real to people.

They might also choose to use he full exposure time available, giving the greatest natural motion blur possible, and making the film appear, to some, silky smooth in a way.

Tv has typically been 30 frames per second, so a movie which has a higher frame rate and less motion blur might remind one of tv.

Further, most sports today are shot at 60 frames per second, giving little motion blur, but a very strong feeling of "being there" as though in person at the event.

Some post processing is used to extend the exposure artificially for blur which would only be possible if shooting at lower than a 24fps rate.

So by moving to 48 frames per second, Jackson is getting less blur, and people will feel that it's less like a movie, and more like tv. What they should be feeling is that it's more like life. However people go to movies to escape life, and enjoy a different world, so it may backfire.

I'm curious if he's post processing to convert to 24fps to get back the typical movie blur or not.

But I'm one of those that enjoys the newer 3D movies when actually shot in 3D, I enjoy HD video, and I expect that while it will be different than a silky smooth movie, I suspect there's some value in this.

But we will see. It could simply be yet another thing to try and keep people in theaters, rather than at home.
 
But we will see. It could simply be yet another thing to try and keep people in theaters, rather than at home.
No, I really don't think so. I think this is Jackson trying to do something better. This guy has spent most of his career being innovative and pushing the limits of filmmaking and the tools used.

That doesn't mean it will work and become the norm but it might.
 
No, I really don't think so. I think this is Jackson trying to do something better. This guy has spent most of his career being innovative and pushing the limits of filmmaking and the tools used.

That doesn't mean it will work and become the norm but it might.
Like 3D!
 
To be fair to 3D, when done well it's amazing. Honestly Avatar at a true Imax was... just incredible. I've never felt so immersed in a movie. From what I hear 48fps is supposed to improve upon that.
 
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