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EDIT: There is now a Halforums corporation: HAL Industries. Our office is located at Tew VII - Imperial Academy in Amarr space

edit2: Hal industries is growing fast. There are probaly 12 members from the forum as well as another 5 or so from other places. Anyone from the forums who joins gets a 3 mil isk signing bonus. Will help you get started a lot faster.

Also, if you let someone from the forum know we can send you a buddy code which gives you a 21 day free trial.

As it stands Our Glorious Leaser Dave is pretty into this game, so you can expect the halforums Corp to be around for quite some time.

I guess the only question is, do you have what it takes?

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So, I restarted both my EvE accounts and am rocking that shit again. My gods I love this game. Where else do you have to understand the difference between a normal and poisson distribution, where everything you do can be broken into math? What other games tease your brain like that? And with such difficulty, the game gives higher rewards than any I have ever played. You could spend your time grinding, but there are so many things you can do. So many ways to succeed. Just none of them are easy.

I'm set up in Amarr space right now trying to get a good trade empire going. So far I'm just learning. Made good money on a handfull of things, lost it on others. Have about 50 orders out right now, and not sure if they are moving fast enough. My old main is going to start running missions while I double box to bring in some extra capital. We'll see how this goes. At the end of the day my interest is industrial, but I want to start by mastering the world of trade.

I've been reading a lot of MD these days, and damn is it fascinating. There is a whole bond market that has come out, and since there is no SEC you get to see some incredible maneuvers in the stock/commodities markets, like raiding and whatnot.

Anyways, who else here plays?

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There's a reason most people don't enjoy EVE. We already have jobs.

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The spaceships and guns suits the kid in me!

And the donchian channels and market analysis tools suits the adult in me!

Plus the financial fraud. That suits both of me.

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I really liked EvE, but it took even more of my time to do anything that any other MMO I ever played. It really was a game that was also a job, except you didn't actually make real money (in the regular way, of course).

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Allowing queing of skills was probably the biggest 'no shit sherlock' thing CCP has done since I have been gone, and it really removes that feeling that you HAVE to be on all the time. Now I can queue up skills and keep one 15 day skill at the 23rd hour and I can bang out like 15 small skills and have that buffer at the end. It makes it sooooo much better.

Tonight I was running some data on some trade stuff. Not going to go into too many details (because this is a total cash cow) but it looks like I now have a steady stream of at least 10 mil isk a day for 10 - 20 minutes of playtime at most, and I should be able to massively increase that with more research. Woot!

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Frankie said:

There's a reason most people don't enjoy EVE. We already have jobs.

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This. This. And This.

I'd love to play Eve, I mean its got beautiful ships, a gigantic expansive space setup, and really hardcore pvp. It's like a dream mmorpg.

It just takes way too fucking long to do anything. I don't want to devote 6 months to a year just to become pvp viable. And yes, I know, I know, you can do minor spec roles in group combat like tackling and other things. Basically that means the guys who've been playing longer or have more money, get the better ships/weapons/gear while you lowbie are assigned a specific task that may or may not be fun depending upon the person.

I quit WoW cause of the same shit (plus STO came out). I'm sorry but I'm used to mmo's where I can hit skill cap OR a maximized build for end game pvp relatively quick. I'll admit, UO and SB spoiled me with their uber fast leveling. It's not that I have the patience I just don't have the time. Working 40 hours a week, a 2+ hour commute to work each day (total not each way), I can only put in 3-5 hours a day into a MMO, and I don't want a second job just to have fun.

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Note the title of the thread

pvp is viable in 2 weeks tops. Punisher, rifter, kestrel, or Tristan/incrursus. Eve pirate has an old piece by someone who did just this and got tons of kills. All it comes down to is skill, knowledge, and balls of zydrine. Anyone who plays regularly will tell you that it isn't time invested, it's what you do with that time. A LOT of people don't understand this, and think they need battleships to pvp, which simply isn't true.

It's just really difficult. And it's ok if people can't handle a difficult game, that's why wow exists. But don't think it takes a lot of time to get viable in eve, that's completely wrong.

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I've had a couple of trial accounts on Eve. I'd love to play a full account, but I really don't want to have all my free time sucked into it. Plus my family is full of WoW fanatics and they would kill me if they caught me playing a different game, especially after I told them I had to quit for financial/time reasons (the real reason is I got totally sick of it and I can't understand why they keep playing).

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I can't remember if they charge for the client, I don't think they do (they didn't used to but it may have changed). Anywho, getting a good understanding of the game and some starting capital are probably the 2 biggest time crunchers for a new player. If you are ever interested in starting again let me know, I'll help you out in learning stuff (I've done pretty much everything in eve except 0.0 and faction warfare), and if you are serious I can give you enough starting capital (0% interest, no credit bad credit no problem!) so that you won't be cruising in the rookie ship (2-5 mil should get you started).

That offer goes for anyone here.

Also, I have never played a game with a more friendly environment to newbies. There are tons ofgood resources for you and some great q&a areas.

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I may actually consider it, if I can figure out my password for my old account and keep myself from getting too sucked in. It could actually be a good motivator for me, I can set myself to only be allowed to play so many hours for the amount of real-world work I finish.

Edit: eh screw it, I'll just make another trial account to make sure I still want to play. Nec, can you send me a buddy code so I can get a 21-day trial (and you can get a free month if I sign up perminately)?

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I'd like it if you can post like 10-20 tips on how to start this game.

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Will do on both fronts, I'm writing from my phone at the moment so Ill wait till I'm on my desktop to do a good writeup. Do you know what kind of things you would like to do in EvE so I can tailor some of the advice? Here are some general paths (they aren't all mutually exclusive)

1) Mission Running: mainly PvE, very easy, and very high and very stable income, but it can take a while to get going.
2) Trading: Buy low sell high, EvE has the best and most realistic economy in any MMO, can be very difficult to do.
3) industry: you know it as crafting. Goes from very simple to mind bogglingly complex.
4) Mining: shootin roids. Easy and good source of income. Painfully boring.
5) piracy: Yarrr! Attack other players at random and get ransoms from them.
6) 0.0 pvp: go into the low security (open pvp) areas and work with others to create vast empires.

That's really an oversimplification of the routes, but most players will fall into a couple of these.

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One of my favorite single-player games was Uncharted Waters 2 for snes, so I like the trading idea, that seems to always hook me. Eve is like Multiplayer Uncharted Waters in space.

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Well I don't have time to do a write up today (omg I am making a ridiculous run on the market). Tommorow I should, and I can talk to yall about getting started. I can at least give you this one and most important piece of advice for EvE

Don't Panic.

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How terrible of an experience would someone with a permanently high ping have trying to play this game? I'm currently stuck on mobile broadband (which is quite a step up from the dialup I was stuck on) and have a permanent 1500ms latency.

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Got the client running, made a character named Malevea... stupid laptop keeps crashing though. I set the client to minimum specs and now I can't even get it to open again.

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Ravenpoe said:

How terrible of an experience would someone with a permanently high ping have trying to play this game? I'm currently stuck on mobile broadband (which is quite a step up from the dialup I was stuck on) and have a permanent 1500ms latency.

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Depends on what you do. If you are focused on combat it wouldn't be good, but if you were focusing on things like station trading or industry (things that keep you in the station) it wouldn't be that bad.

David said:

Got the client running, made a character named Malevea... stupid laptop keeps crashing though. I set the client to minimum specs and now I can't even get it to open again.

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So I'm guessing you decided to go the trading route? What skill loadout did you pick?

Another rule of thumb for newbies, and it doesn't make sense until you play the game, when you build your character try and get as many lvl 5s and lvl 4 skills . Each level of a skill takes exponentially longer to train than the last, so instead of spreading your picks out get them very very focused.

Also, what region/race did you pick? Reason I ask is that if I am going to be teaching you some stuff in game it may help if we are in the same empire space. Not entirely necessary but it would help.

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Ok, 10-20 tips (general)

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1. Don't Panic.

I am somewhere in between serious and joking on this one. The first time you look at an items description, or look at the market, or open up the contracts screen, or (god forbid) start trying to get t2 bpo research, you may feel a sense of panic. THIS IS NORMAL. There is a TON of information given to players. In the long run you will come to LOVE that about eve, but for now just don't worry about it. You will learn it at some point. There are a lot of resources to help you learn that.

2. Be Careful

As a newbie you really don't represent much of a target for people. Unlike other heavy PvP games griefing noobs is not common in EvE, because time is money.That said, be CAREFUL. Once you do start getting a wallet, or get into a nicer ship people will come after you. There are a lot of ways to get burned, one of the most common ways for a new player to get fucked is called 'can flipping' . Don't worry about the details just yet, but this is done to noobie miners to trick them into PvP at which point you kill or ransom them. I used to do this. Great fun.

3. Have Fun

So, the world is dangerous and complicated and you are afraid to do anything out of worry you may do it wrong. P-shaw! Have fun. Go explore in 0.0, don't be afraid to die. Try and visit every solar system (still not sure if anyone has done this). Don't let eve become like a job, EVER.


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4) Don't fly anything you can't afford to loose.

Unlike in a game like WoW, when you die your ship is 'sploded and you loose basically everything. If you were doing a mission you may be able to go back and grab what few items remain in the wreckage, but don't count on it. Therefore, don't ever fly anything you can't afford to loose. Case in point - When I started getting serious about pvp I had the skills to fly battleships and assault cruisers (very badass ships). However, in the end I built up 20 some odd "Rifters" (a common low end, and very cheap frigate.) One of those ships cost me ~400,000 isk fully fitted, whereas a battleship would cost me ~200 mil isk fully fitted.

I expected to loose ships therefore I flew something I could afford to loose.


5) Don't fly drunk/high/wasted

I used to fly lvl 4 missions a lot. One night I got hammered and jumped in my battleship to go run a mission. I fucked up, wasn't paying attention and my ship 'sploded. I was pissed. I knew there wouldn't be many items left but I wanted to salvage what I could, but mainly I wanted revenge on those NPCs. I quickly threw together another battleship and went back in there. Guess what? It 'sploded. At that point I was out a solid 400 million isk (minus insurance, I'll cover that later). Because I decided to fly drunk.

EvE is complicated enough that loosing any cognitive ability could seriously fuck you up. If you are going to do it, do it in a cheap ship.


6) Insure your ships

This is mostly true. You have the choice to buy insurance on a ship at any time. When/if your ship splodes in a certain amount of time, you get a payout on your insurance. Usually the insurance doesn't come close to the cost of the ship, but its still worth it. For example you pay 4 mil for 3 months with a 20 mil payout if you loose ship X (which is worth 100). That can really take the bite out of a painful loss of a ship. There are multiple levels of insurance you can buy on a ship, generally I go for the lowest because % wise its the highest return, but the choice is yours. The only time I don't insure a ship is when I either don't think there is ANY chance of me loosing it. And I'm not sure I can think of an example of that.


7) Bigger is not always better

Coming from another MMO you will have a lot of misconceptions about progress as a character. You will undock from in your little frigate and you will see a towering battleship next to you and you will get a sense of awe. You will think that guy is like a lvl 60 to your lvl 1. THIS IS INCORRECT. At 15 million skill points (which is a lot) my character often flies frigates. Why? There are a lot of answers to that. A well piloted frigate will demolish a cruiser. They are faster and harder to hit. They also don't hit as hard, but you would be surprised what you can do with one.

This misconceoption totally screws up new players all the time. They will rush their skills to get into a cruiser then go buy one and slap whatever fittings skills or money allow and think they now have a better ship than their old frigate. If you are 2 months in and you are in a battleship you have rushed it and now have a very expensive and very poorly fitted ship, that I could probably destroy with a frigate. And there is nothing more hilarious than watching a 200 million isk ship blow up at the hands a 200k isk ship.


8) Never smack talk

This isn't wow, this isn't team fortress, this isn't like anything you have ever played before. Your actions have consequences. There are some great stories on Eve-pirate where you see what happens to smack talkers. For instance. You talk shit to someone. Turns out they have a lot of money and some powerful friends. They have hit squads hired to kill you any time you are in low sec. They declare war on you any time you are not in an NPC corp (more on that later). They kill your friends, family, and you wake up with a horse head in your bed. Seriously though, you would be surprised how much damage a single person can do to you if they want.

Probably the best example of this is the story of the Guiding Hand Social club http://eve.klaki.net/heist/

Read through it. It's why I started playing the game.

The up side to the no smack talk thing is that you won't hear it that often. And interestingly enough its almost always the people that don't smack talk that are the really dangerous ones.


9) Join a corporation

You knew them as guilds. Guilds are stupid. Corporations are not. Yatzee's review of EvE was entirely bad because he ignored this. Corporations allow you to do all sorts of things, up to and including existing safely in 0.0 (which you will not do easily without one). Without a corporation your ability to succeed will be seriously hampered. That said they also bring some risks. If you are in a 'player run corporation' (different than the NPC corps you start in) you may have a war declared on you by another corporation. This can either be really fun or a total nightmare. The safety net of empire space will be gone, and open pvp will be available for anyone involved in the war. However, this happens less than you might think. Logistically it is very expensive to maintain a war, and people will rarely do it without just cause. What defines just cause is up in the air, but remember that as a member of a corporation your actions represent your corp, so don't be the douchebag that mouths off to the wrong person and drags everyone else into a war.

Like I said, its a bit different from WoW.


10) Know someone with more experience that can help you out, either financially or educationally.

In this case that would be me. Learning this game from the ground up without any help is taxing. Its how I learned. I made a LOT of very expensive mistakes. If I only had someone who could have helped me out.....



11) Do your homework.

There is a SHIT TON of information about eve out there. And I'm not talking just about guides and whatnot. Just go to EvE-online.com and look through some of their new player info. Or look through some of their item descriptions. Or just look at whatever. There is a ton of info out there, and it behooves you to know how to find some of the info you will need in this game. Of course, see #11 I can help you when I am online, but I'm not always online. On that note some of the most important help I will give you will be showing you how to answer your own questions. You will never be in a position where you don't have to look something up. That's because 1) the game is very complex, and 2) the game is very dynamic. Take the market for instance. What was true about the value of an item last week (or even last hour) may not be true right now.

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I started a Gallente miner, still in the noob system.

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Ahhhh mining. Kill those damned roids. Its an interesting field because of how it scales. You start out bringing in a couple hundred ore at a time, maybe making a dent in a couple big rocks in a session, but within a year or maybe a couple months (depending on how you skill up) you will strip mine whole systems in a day.

One big thing to watch out for as a noob miner is "jetcan mining". Because of how little space you have in your mining ship you may be tempted to simple jettison your load (into a jetcan) when you fill up your cargo. You can fill up hundreds of these and then make one set of runs (presumably in an industrial ship with a larger cargo bay) and bring them all in at once. The problem with this is what is known as "can flipping". By stealing your ore out of a jetcan someone gets a criminal flag, allowing you to shoot at them and preventing them from docking or leaving the system for a period of time (10 minutes I think). So what people do is steal your ore, then immediately jettison in themselves. Many an unwarry noob will then go grab their ore out of the theif's jetcan. By doing this the miner is also flagged as a criminal, and now the thief can shoot at the miner, which he undoubtedly will. He never had any real interest in the ore, what he wanted to do was to be able to attack you in empire space and then ransom you and your ship.

Regardless of whether you think its a scumbag method (it really is) this is a REALLY common tactic, like I said above I have done this myself, so be careful about doing that.

Clear as mud?

Anywho, let me know if your game is running stable and if so I will send you a couple mil later tonight when I get back online.

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Here's some more tips, and this time they are more specific:

Train your learning skills early

In eve skills are trained over X period of time. X is a function of the base difficulty of a skill, as well as the relevant player attributes (perception, intelligence, charisma, etc.). Learning skills are a special category of skills that increase your attributes. As soon as you determine that you are serious about playing EvE for a while start training these learning skills, as they will increase the speed at which all other skills are trained. This speed should NOT be underestimated. a 4 year old character without these skills can be overtaken in 1 year by someone who has all their learning skills maxed out.

There is a balance though, its not really fun to have your training queue filled with nothing but learning skills and you're still flying a noob ship. Generally my advice is to get a basic proficiency in a frigate, then focus on the most important learning skills for your expected development process (ship piloting and combat skills use perception, trading and mission skill use charisma, drone skills use...willpower I think). Go through the first tier of these skills, then get yourself into a cruiser or whatever your next progress step is, then start working on the next tier of learning skills and any other Tier 1 learning skills you may need. Its a pain, but everyone has to do it. The one thing newbies have going for them these days is that you get to start with a couple learning skills already at 5, which is a HUGE benefit.

Pick your starting attributes and skills carefully

Your starting attributes will determine how fast you can train different types of skills. Players wanting to focus on piloting/combat should dump tons of points into perception. Most people consider charisma their dump stat but it does have value. What you choose here could seriously slow you down years from now. There really isn't a "perfect" build, but there are some things you want to avoid (like not having points in perception, that will fuck you up bad, no matter what your career is).

Also, while not nearly as important in the long game your starting skills make a big difference in your early career. Make sure you get lvl 5 skills as much as possible. You will probably want your frigate skill to be level 4 or 5, and whatever learning skills you can should get to lvl 5. Yet again there is no perfect build but there are some great general builds to be found on the website.

This brings me to my next point:

Dont be afraid to re roll your character early on

note: EvE online allows you to create 3 characters on one account, but you can only train skills in 1 at a time, therefore alts have seriously limited roles and generally you will only have 1 'real' character per account.

I spent 2 months with my first character before I realized that I had botched the opening build so bad that it was going to seriously hurt me in the long run. It was REALLY hard to think about stepping back 2 months in my characters abilities to get a benefit 3 months from now. However, I HAD to do it. Moreover, because my second characters build was so much better than my original character I was able to overtake my first char in a matter of weeks.

Don't lock yourself into a bad build.

There is a balance to this, my current character has flaws, but they are small enough and I have so many skills that it really isn't worth redoing my character. But there are people who have rerolled 2 year old characters and overtaken them in 1 year.

As a new player, however, there is absolutely no reason to stick with a bad build. I will be more than willing to look over any build someone does and give my opinion on it, but to be honest the value of a build will be dependent on what you are going to do with it, so i would also suggest people look on the eve online forums for some starting build suggestions.

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Well, it'll only take 24 hours for the client to download.

I really didn't want another MMO, after finally managing to quit WoW. But I've always wanted to give EvE a try. By this time next week, I'll probably be cursing this thread.

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If you message me an email I can get you a longer trial like I did for david.

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This game has an in-game real-world web browser, which I am currently writing from. No more alt-tabbing for me!

Also, got it running on my laptop. Turns out I just needed to update the graphics driver.

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Fantastic! I love that browser by the way. I'm logging on a couple minutes and I can start teaching you stuff (plus send you some scratch.)

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All this talk of EvE has gotten me intrigued again. I gave the trial a shot a year or so back but didn't end up sticking with it because I had absolutely no idea how to go about things, but this thread has given me some interesting advice.

I think I'd be interested in doing a more combat-oriented character, running missions and ratting pirates and eventually getting into pvp. I think that sort of play would appeal to me more than sitting in a station watching markets or mining asteroids for hour after hour. Do you have any advice on starting skills, character builds, beginning ship loadouts for such a character? Also, it seems like joining a good corporation is essential to long-term success in this game. How does a noob go about finding a good corp?

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Well I'm on with David right now, showing him some stuff, and I sent raven a buddy code, I can send you one if you want too.

Combat is definitely what I know best in the game. Starting skills for a combat piilot...

Max the following:

*Frigate (whatever race you are flying)
Spaceship command
*Gunnery
Navigation

Try and get the 2 starred ones to lvl 5 out the gate.

For attributes

Perception is most important then its a tie between Willpower Intelligence and memorey. Charisma is least important.

Edit: So far we have David, Ravenpoe, and now Baerdog (just sent the buddy code). Seems to be a lot more interest here than I thought.

Edit2: Also, this is one of the coolest things in the game. Its a drawing showing the relative in game sizes of the different ships. Sorry if this breaks your browser (I'll delete it and just link it if it does)

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Necronic said:

5) Don't fly drunk/high/wasted

I used to fly lvl 4 missions a lot. One night I got hammered and jumped in my battleship to go run a mission. I fucked up, wasn't paying attention and my ship 'sploded. I was pissed. I knew there wouldn't be many items left but I wanted to salvage what I could, but mainly I wanted revenge on those NPCs. I quickly threw together another battleship and went back in there. Guess what? It 'sploded. At that point I was out a solid 400 million isk (minus insurance, I'll cover that later). Because I decided to fly drunk.

EvE is complicated enough that loosing any cognitive ability could seriously fuck you up. If you are going to do it, do it in a cheap ship.

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Perhaps the most fun I ever got out of eve was when flying "one kill, one shot" wolfpacks at scalding pass

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Well, I'm "official" now. Just finished the tutorial earlier this evening. I rolled up a Minmatar pilot named Rick Baern.

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oh shit, this thread is giving me the urge to try EVE again.

must resist urge.

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The scale of those big ships is funny. They all have windows that are dozens of meters long or tall on them.

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heh. I gave away my old character to a friend (3 years old) I don't think I'll take it up again (don't have the time really) but it is a lot of fun.

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I tried EvE a year ago and really enjoyed it.Had to stop though since,untill recently, we didnt have any game cards for it here in Germany. If Necrotic would give me a Buddy Code,i would probably star again. Im gonna Roll an Amarr again.

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fuck it, i bought it again on steam (had given account away eons ago).

dloading now.

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Some dude who I met while mining flirted with me thinking I was a chick. I didn't have the heart to tell him the truth so I just told him he was a creep and blocked him.

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I tried the 14 day trial just thought it was all terribly confusing and rather dull. I thought it would be similar to Freelancer which
btw was one of the most frickin awesome space sim games you can play. Wish they would do another one.

Anyhoo is it easer after you figure things out? The basic movements were very confusing and hard to do.

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Note: Anyone who wants to play let me know and I will send you a buddy code.

The scale of those big ships is funny. They all have windows that are dozens of meters long or tall on them.

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there are some awesome vids out there of people flying next to a Titan (the big ships) its surreal.


The things like movement and stuff get easier, for the most part, but the game never gets easy.

That's kind of what seperates it from a game like WoW. No matter what you are doing there is a challenge of some sort to it.

A correction on a couple previous comments:

Skill setup for new players has been changed. Before you could pick and choose skills, now you just start with a semi standard loadout. Should actually make things easier.

Actually that's the only thing I think should be changed.


Some other comments

You don't have to play a lot to be succesful

Unlike WoW (if you can't tell I like to pick on that "game" a lot) there is no end game in EvE. You don't start grinding MC or some shit like that. Your goals are always your own, and you can do them with as little or as much time in game as you want. I only log in for a couple hours every other night to check my market orders (except on the weekends, get a little more serious then). For me my goal is to be succesful in the markets, and I can do that with the time I am investing.

For many players what confuses them is coming from a game like WoW and thinking they need to grind to reach a specific goal. Having a true sandbox MMO with tons of options can leave many players without a sense of purpose. Don't let that dissuade you. Throw off the shackles other games have put on you that have convinced you you need to spend X hours to get to Y level before the game gets fun.

Bullshit and heresy I say. Games should be truly fun from day one.

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I just wanted to say that I'm posting this from EVE's in-game web browser. The fact I can go online or on IRC during space jumps is brilliant.

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damn, they got serious with the tutorial... They're giving free frigates now ?

wow

oh yeah, the name's Rakim Ojeda. I'm on an euro schedule tho.

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Someone send me a buddy code please.

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Necronic is right. The game is about setting your own goals. I always wanted to be a successful trader (and I was with my old character) I mine system for ore, produce goods, and sell them on the market. I did a little PvP but I'm a crafter by trade. It was a lot of fun. Right now I got so many games going, I can't afford another game with monthly payment (I finally don't have any right now since I got lifetime with STO).

Tips on EVE.
Your stats DO help in the long run in terms of skill training faster (reduce time in training unless that has change) it is good to train your stats at least to level 4 when you can in your related skills. It is REALLY handy at higher level skills where it could shave off days, week and even month (Carrier took me 8 months to train I think I forgot)

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I decided to check it out last night, it looks pretty cool so far. I'm going to delete my character and start again once I figure out what exactly I want to do. I have a couple questions though.

Is there just one server? I don't think I was every asked to choose one, so I'm guessing it's just one big one.

Does the race matter other than where you start? Does it affect your stats? It's not like WoW where you are unable to talk to the opposing faction?

Looking at the career options, what exactly should you expect going down the research path? It's what I'm kind of leaning towards right now. I'm not real interested in PVP that much.

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Shakey said:

I decided to check it out last night, it looks pretty cool so far. I'm going to delete my character and start again once I figure out what exactly I want to do. I have a couple questions though.

Is there just one server? I don't think I was every asked to choose one, so I'm guessing it's just one big one.

Does the race matter other than where you start? Does it affect your stats? It's not like WoW where you are unable to talk to the opposing faction?

Looking at the career options, what exactly should you expect going down the research path? It's what I'm kind of leaning towards right now. I'm not real interested in PVP that much.

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Well,whats important when you create your character at the beginning are which stats you get.

Try reading:
http://www.uarm.co.uk/beginnersguide_skills.htm


Having the right stats can save you Days/Weeks in the long run.

Each race has different stats and different ways of fighting. (This is all from a beginners point of view,since i just started myself)

Amarr - Lasers and Heavy Armor (Im playing one...and loving it.)
Galente - Hybrid Weapons and Drones. From what I see,they like it up close and personal.
Myanmar - Versatile and Fast.
Caldari - sorry havent seen them in combat yet.

There are tons of guides and usefull tips on:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Main_Page

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I can't seem to find anything that says what exactly the stat differences are in the races though. Maybe it says in the character creation screen, I didn't pay too much attention. When I made my first character I just wanted to get in and see if the game was worth putting any effort into.

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I think what Lord Rendar meant is that depending on what race you are, you will be focusing on different weapon and ship skills. That doesn't mean you cannot learn weapon and ship skills from other races if you want to, however.

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So... Is it just the starting ship and weapon skills that differ between race?

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http://www.evegeek.com/attributes.php

here are the starting stats

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That says bloodlines change your stats. The Wiki says all it does is change the appearance. I think that may be from before they changed character creation.

I may be looking too much into it. I'd just rather get it right the first time.

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Stats effect training time. The higher the stats, the shorter the training time (I don't know the formula) Each race has a certain starting stats and you can train UPTO 10 more points of that stats (unless that has change) so if your race starts off with a 7 Int, that means your ending stats can be upto 17 which is much nicer than saying a race start with 2 and end up with 12. Stats help shave off days, weeks even months of training time of high level skills. This is more of a long term. You may not see much difference with a skill takes 10 minutes to learn, but you will see it when it takes 6 months to learn.

Each skills has a primary and secondary stats attach to it (which mean depending on your score you get reduce training time) Also combat skills + stats help you in actual combat. This is why you only see many of X race in PvP since they max out their stats and get the best numerical output possible.

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Chichi, dunno if you quit before this (I did) but they totally changed the way starting characters are made. You don't pick stats or starting skills. Crazy shit.

Anywho, so far we have 4 or 5 people in game from the forum. I've been giving all the new players cash to help get them started. There's actually already been some talk about starting a corp, although to be honest a corp in EvE is a lot different from a guild in WoW. It costs in game money to maintain, it takes skills (both in game and out of game), and in general it is done for the mutual benefit of a group. I'm not sure that's there, however I could see some kind of Oliver Twist type thing where I teach you all how to play but do it in such a way that it mainly profits me....

Welcome to EvE.

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I have my character made, Shakey Jonez is the name. I'm an Amarr. I found out there is an in-game mp3 player that lets you make playlists, awesome.

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Necronic said:

Chichi, dunno if you quit before this (I did) but they totally changed the way starting characters are made. You don't pick stats or starting skills. Crazy shit.

Anywho, so far we have 4 or 5 people in game from the forum. I've been giving all the new players cash to help get them started. There's actually already been some talk about starting a corp, although to be honest a corp in EvE is a lot different from a guild in WoW. It costs in game money to maintain, it takes skills (both in game and out of game), and in general it is done for the mutual benefit of a group. I'm not sure that's there, however I could see some kind of Oliver Twist type thing where I teach you all how to play but do it in such a way that it mainly profits me....

Welcome to EvE.

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Yea I quit before the change. But do each race have different "end stats"?

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Shakey said:

I have my character made, Shakey Jonez is the name. I'm an Amarr. I found out there is an in-game mp3 player that lets you make playlists, awesome.

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Yeah! Another Amarr Brother!

Names Lord Ayabara. A Khanid Cyber Knight. Just got my Coercer and am busy doing Agent Missions. 7 High slots with Lasers at 20km Range.Those pesky NPC's dont stand a chance.
Gonna stay in High Sec though till I maxed out my Frigate and Basic Skills (Electronics,Gunnery,Learning...etc)

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Well, I just finished up all the career tutorials this evening. Time to start the first epic story arc, methinks.

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Ah...A pirates life for me. Just killed 2 Miners in 0.4 space. Was NPC hunting and ran across these two. a cool .8 mil in loots

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weren't you staying in high sec ?

i'm done with career agents tutorial. I have very well fitted Punisher, a coercer and i have no idea what i'm going to do next.

IE: i need to find a corp.

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Math242 said:

weren't you staying in high sec ?

i'm done with career agents tutorial. I have very well fitted Punisher, a coercer and i have no idea what i'm going to do next.

IE: i need to find a corp.

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It kinda got boring in high sec. And 0.4 is safe enough for me to quickly warp out in case of real Pirates.
Also NPC rats seem to have better loot on them.

If you have nothing to do,do mission runs. Every 16 missions you will get a Storyline mission.

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i know i should run missions to build a bankroll to start my trade career but every time i left EVE before, it was because of those boring missions.

i'd do the SOE arc but the pay looks crappy

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Yeah.They can be pretty boring.Go to point A,meet bad guys "pew!pew!pew!",Return. Rinse and repeat.Im watching a movie while playing EVE. I just ALT+Tab between EVE and my movie player.

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Played free trial, got the coolest looking cruiser ever (Gallente Thorax) but couldn't use it. Subbed for a month, flew around in cruiser, headed to Caldari space to join friends (30 systems away), start training for interceptors because they're cheaper and more my style of fast kind of play. Time ran out, still docked in Caldari space far away from home. Started mining veldspar with a barge too. Maybe I should resub, bring my ships back home and start again...dunno, I'm kind of busy. It was also, coincidentally, one of the few games my laptop could play. Stuff lagged a little, but for the kind of mining/missions I was doing, that wasn't a big problem.

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i'd do the SOE arc but the pay looks crappy

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Nah, you get good salvage and all that jazz. Payout was like...what, 2 million+?

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i just refused a convo invite from a sebiestor because it came out of nowhere. hope it wasn't any of you

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probably was. People don't generally just throw invites to random people. This ain't facebook.

Lord Renar, good f-ing job on the piracy! That is one of the hardest things to learn how to do/stomach in this game, but is arguably the most awesome.

If any of yall are interested in piracy go ahead and check out

www.eve-pirate.com

There are some incredible stories on there from pirates. The only reason I don't read it right now is that if I do I will start pirating again immediately.

Anywho, it looks like we already have 6 or so in game, and of those at least a couple will probably sub. If anyone else wants in let me know and I will send you a buddy code ASAP

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can you pm me your ingame name Necronic? I have a few questions if you don't mind

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Is there a way to automatically log into the group chat channel we had going last night, or do you need to be invited?

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Don't need to PM, my ingame names are:

Tehg Rhind (industry char)
Hellkyte (pvp/piracy/mission runner char)

Edit: Shakey I think you need to be invited. However, if we do go ahead and create a corp that will provide the same benefit.

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CCP just announced their new expansion. Won't mean much to people that don't play (or haven't played long) but there will be planetary mining. 0.0 is going to become a warzone (moreso). Plus, it made me think of their other big project, Dust 514. You can read about it on my site here. Long story short there will be a console FPS/RTS that will take place on the planets in EvE. The results of those battles will effect the universe at large, and vice versa. If they pull that off it will change how MMOs are viewed forever.

Blizzard eat your heart out.

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Is there a way to lengthen the training que time?

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No, its just 1 day. But the trick is to keep a 2+ day skill in that last slot, so if it runs through all your other skills you don't have to log back in instantly. I have a 30 day skill I keep at the end of my que. What's your name in game? We started up a corp.

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We've officially got Hal Industries up and running, and it's awesome! If you're interested in joining, just set a coarse for the Tew system (you can search for it in your map's browser) and dock at Tew VII. Go to the offices tab and submit an application to Hal Industries. Either Necronic or I (Malevea in-game) can approve you and help you out with some early monies.

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Lord Ayabara is my in-game name.I'll be joining the corp soon. Just wanna do a couple more missions.Are there a lot of Level 1 Agents in Tew space?

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Plus every new player gets a good chunk of starting cash. Help get you going. Gets you out of that newbie frig instantly.

I should be on most of the day tommorow to help with anyone having issues. Also, I will probably run some lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions which yall can tag along in to see what the higher end PvE looks like. I'm thinking of doing a PvP day too, where we skirmish against each other, but 've been out of it for so long I wouldn't be much of a tutor. If I can get my friend to help that will make a huge difference

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Small Question, are there Sentry guns near Warpgates in 0.4 space? Will they support me after being first shot at by another guy when he hunts me from another part of the system after warping? How do I get kill rights?

Got sweet Screenshots after destroying a Research Stations during one of my missions.

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Anything below .5 space is pretty much cowboy territory, but that doesn't guarantee your safety in .5 and above 100%. Any player can attack you at any time, just in .5 and above they're guaranteed to also be blown up by the NPC police. Some people will do suicide attacks if they're bored or you're carrying extremely valuable cargo, but it's rare.

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I'm still disappointed you wouldn't go through the unstable wormhole I found, LordRendar.

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maybe I should have sent my Alt Idiestupiddeaths through it.

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Consider it a learning experience.

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You guys found a wormhole? That also falls into the category of new stuff I don't know a lot about, but I got the impression that there was a lot of cool stuff in those.

Also, 2 3rd party apps that you definitely want:

EvE Mon: Monitors and helps you plan your characters skill progression

EvE Fitting Tool: Based on your characters skills it helps you figure out what ship fitting setup is best for you. Lots of fun.

Both of these are offline tools. They will access EvE every once and a while to make sure its data is still correct, but you don't need to be online to use them. Tons of fun.



Edit: Sentry guns exist from 0.1 sec and up. If someone attacks you they get a criminal tag for like 10 minutes. If you come near sentry guns with a criminal flag then you will get sploded

Gate camps work by having a ship that can take all the firepower from the sentry guns start the combat and soak the damage

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We now have a new office just opened in Sheroo VII - X-Sense Chemical station at which you can apply for membership into Hal Industries. This should be much closer than Tew to many of you (only 4 jumps away from Arnon, where you're sent for the Sisters of Eve epic arc).

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Fantastic! Now I won't have to fly all the way to Amarr space.

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Goddammit, you guys might actually get me to start playing again...

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One of us...

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David said:

We now have a new office just opened in Sheroo VII - X-Sense Chemical station at which you can apply for membership into Hal Industries. This should be much closer than Tew to many of you (only 4 jumps away from Arnon, where you're sent for the Sisters of Eve epic arc).

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Oh sure, you tell me this AFTER I make 38 jumps just to join.

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TeKeo said:

Goddammit, you guys might actually get me to start playing again...

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How long ago did you quit? A LOT of stuff has changed since I was gone (FW, Wormholes, BoB and Goonswarm being gone, t2BS, T3 ships.) I'm really the only experienced player involved right now. Would be great to have some other "old timers" get into it.

Oh yeah and here's this:

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Ravenpoe;344263][QUOTE=David said:

We now have a new office just opened in Sheroo VII - X-Sense Chemical station at which you can apply for membership into Hal Industries. This should be much closer than Tew to many of you (only 4 jumps away from Arnon, where you're sent for the Sisters of Eve epic arc).

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Oh sure, you tell me this AFTER I make 38 jumps just to join.[/QUOTE]

Hey, I had to jump over to the original office too. Point the blame gun at Necronic

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i'll join later tonight or tomorrow !

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Im so gonna fraggle you guys once I go pirate kidding. But i cant wait to own some beginner frigs or miners.

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David;344283][QUOTE=Ravenpoe;344263][QUOTE=David said:

We now have a new office just opened in Sheroo VII - X-Sense Chemical station at which you can apply for membership into Hal Industries. This should be much closer than Tew to many of you (only 4 jumps away from Arnon, where you're sent for the Sisters of Eve epic arc).

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Oh sure, you tell me this AFTER I make 38 jumps just to join.[/QUOTE]

Hey, I had to jump over to the original office too. Point the blame gun at Necronic [/QUOTE]

Too bad your tracking sucks! Oh SNAP!

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I figured since I've been playing for almost a week now, I'd post my thoughts on being new to this game.

It's really not as hard as some people say. There are very in depth aspects to the game, and if you want to get into that you can, but I haven't had any problems catching on. The career path missions at the beginning are very good at showing you exactly how to do everything. I still have the advanced military one to go through, but that's it. You really can spend as little or as much time as you want with the game. You can do just fine as a casual player.

You get at least one ship as a reward during each of the paths, along with plenty of equipment to outfit them with. I think I had 7 or 8 ships before I decided to start selling them off. Necronic dropped me a good chunk of change to get me started with, but I haven't even touched it yet. I want to make sure I know what I want to do before I go nuts and start buying stuff.

I'm not a huge fan of combat, and in this game that's OK. I don't have to spend my time blasting pirates. Sunday I spent most of my time just scanning different systems seeing what I could find, and trying to find out how to place my probes to get objects scanned down quicker. I found a ton of wormholes, some asteroid fields, an old wrecked pirate instalation, and some pirate hideouts. I haven't made much money off of it yet, but I have a feeling as I get my skills higher and my ship upgraded I'll be able to cut a bunch of time off of scanning and be able to jump around quicker to different systems looking for what I want. You wouldn't think it would be that entertaining, but I like it.

The biggest thing to get used to is the idea that you can lose a ship so easily. To me it adds so much to the game though. The idea that your losses are permanent. Don't cry to the GM about someone who screwed you over because they will probably just laugh at you. You are responsible for your own stupid decisions.

The look and feel of the game is also completely different than I have seen in an MMO before. The graphics are great, but that's not really it. In WoW you run around Orgrimmar or Dalaran, and there's a bunch of lvl 80's all with high end gear running around dancing on mailboxes and they all are "Champions". In Eve it feels a bit more restrained. Maybe it's the thought that cocking off will get your pretty new ship blown up.



TLDR - Freedom to do what you want, meaningful consequences, and an environment that makes you actually think about what you are doing is what I'm liking about this game. I'm only a week in, so it's just an initial reaction, but I'll be dropping WoW for this game.

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@Shakey : glad that aspect hasn't change If you get yourself into a good corp (take some research) other corp may not touch you since they worry about corp retaliation.

I remember back in the old day where rich players don't mind wasting their ship to "payback" a rival messing with their corp members. There use to be some good corp, but alas, it has been so long, I don't remember their names

It is good that you get a ship now as part of the reward. That is pretty neat.

I wish I have more time to jump back in to see all the changes, but I have too many games on my plate right now

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Necronic dropped me a good chunk of change to get me started with, but I haven't even touched it yet. I want to make sure I know what I want to do before I go nuts and start buying stuff.

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smart man.

TLDR - Freedom to do what you want, meaningful consequences, and an environment that makes you actually think about what you are doing is what I'm liking about this game.

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That's EvE in a nutshell. You decide your path. You decide your metric of success. You experience real rewards and real consequences. You experience the most complete online gaming environment ever made in whatever way you want. And you really do it with other people (as opposed to WoW which is a glorified chat room).

Edit: In my case my current goal is in developing a trading empire. I have started a massive access database to do market analyses. This actually uses real world skills and I don't have to alter my skills to handle weird in game only issues (like the MASSIVE deflation that exists in most MMOs.)

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So, there has been a lot of interest from a number of yall about PvP. I have been cogitating some on this. I think I have a PvP day design in my head.

I'm not going to train yall any. I'm not that good at pvp for one, and for 2 it would take forever.

So instead here's the day.

Event 1) Frigate tourney. Everyone jump in their favorite frigate and go 1 on 1 in a ladder tourney. It will be too the death (ship death, no podding). Winner gets something nice (seriously...nice) from me.

Event 2) Dogpile. All of yall in frigs against me in a cruiser or something. You take me out you get bragging rights. Like I said, I'm not a great pvper so this will be good training for all of us. For yall its group tactics. For me its fighting off a swarm.

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If yall want to mess around with PvP ahead of time here's how to duell in high sec. DO NOT DO THIS NEAR SENTRY GUNS. Best to do it at a moon without a starbase.

Also, I am not 100% this is how you do it, but I think its right. If you want to try it you should probably do it in something really cheap first (like a newb frig if you have one)

1) Both players should drop a can of loot with 1 ammo or whatever in it.

2) Each player should take the item out of the other persons can.
This should give you a criminal tag (see a number on the screen somewhere counting down.

3) At this point you may now attack each other without fear of the CONCORDOKEN! response

4) Try not to destroy the other persons ship. Usually 50% hull is where we call a fight. (Although its totally up to the people duelling)

5) DO NOT WARP TO A STATION OR A GATE UNTIL YOUR CRIMINAL TIMER IS UP. I swear the amount of ships I have lost this way.....(its alot)

6) If you do loose a ship, don't come crying to me. Suck it up. Its pvp. Don't be a little bitch.

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This sounds really fun. I'd love to try my Rifter against the rest of you guys in your frigates.

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Talked to my buddy Straker and sound like he wants to do a dogpile with yall as well. I'm not sure how many of yall it would take for it to be a fair fight (frig vs cruiser), but if there aren't enough of you (I'm thinking it will take 5 frig v 1 cruise to be a fair fight) then maybe me and him will jump in frigates and go against all yall in frigs. 2 vs 5? Odds would definitely be in yalls favor.

Also, I am really fucking happy yall are liking this game as much as you are. EvE is one of the most rewarding games you will ever play, and if and when you do quit, it will haunt you forever. Also, once you are a couple months in you will be fully qualified to talk shit to anyone playing wow. Do it in a way that gets them to try EvE, but also make sure you nail the point home that they are playing a seriously inferior game designed for children.

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Wait... so you guys are playing for FREE?

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Necronic has been scoring us 21 day trials to EvE in order to get us hooked.

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Oh... dammit. Alright, I'll talk to you guys when I have a job. (this is really pinging me in all the right spots, but I need more income before I start paying a subscription)

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I get the impression that you go out for beers from time to time. Basically its one less night out on the town a month. And hell, the free trial is 21 days long. Plus there's always plasma.....ok now I feel like a drug dealer.

Send me your email, I'll send you a buddy code.

Edit: Thought of another thing, wasn't sure if everyone knew this. EvE is 1 server. That's it. Roughly 500k players, 40k on at a time. So, unlike in other games where your friends may be spread out all over different servers in EvE you are all at the same place. The best thing about it, however, goes back to the who "Real Consequences Real Rewards" thing. You get famous in EvE that is a real accomplishment. Thought of this after needling the WoW kids.

On that note, I'm curious, of the guys we have in now, how many of yall played WoW before, and what are your thoughts about the 2 different games?

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I played wow some 3 years and i would not compare it to EVE. If i had to choose, i'd take my wow experience anyday even tho i would kill myself before playing it again.


WOW's success is built around easyness and fun with guildies...Before everybody got stuck in endgame, i remember wow when doing stratholme was serious business. that was a great game back then. When i reached the cap, i got into a raid and then wow started to suck. Raids are not fun. But that's what the players want.

Eve is something else entirely. Eve is for people who don't mind building huge access databases. Eve is not as fun as WOW but it's more rewarding. It's challenging.

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i just went to Sheroo and applied to join the corp =)

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What I love about WoW is how easy it is to experience huge amounts of lore in a fantasy epic setting while sharing it with dozens to hundreds of people. Admittedly, raiding in classic wasn't so fun, but raiding in WotLK is freakin' awesome (ICC, in particular, is fantastic).

What I like about EvE is that it's completely open for whatever you want to do, I love space settings, it's easy to get friends involved, it's friendly to people of different "levels" working together, and most of all, it's an MMO that didn't have to clone WoW in order to have a polished user interface. Most other MMOs (I find) either have to clone WoW as closely as possible to make the interface work (LOTRO, WAR), or they try so hard to avoid cloning WoW that the play interface is just painful and unpolished (DDO: original, CoH, and Champions).

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I lost my first ship last night. It was on the last mission of the advanced military training. Wasn't expecting what they dished out. I finished it on the second try, and got a free destroyer out of it, so I made it out ahead.

I played WoW for about 3 years, I think. It seems to me a bit like comparing the Wii and the PS3. They're just different, and meant for different people. My previous post said most of what I thought about that though.

Necronic, if you need help with Access let me know. I've got it installed on my PC so I can look at it if you run into something.

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God damn it. Necronic, send me an invite. I'll try it out.

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:high5:

Cool thing about the trial is that if you decide to subscribe, you don't have to buy the game. Expacs are also all free.

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So here is where we are at. The following people are now playing (or about to start)

David,
Dave,
Fade,
Shakey,
Raven Poe,
Rick Baern
Lord Rendar
Math242

Probably missing someone or said their name wrong.

So far it looks like everyone is having a really good time, which is great! Also, you guys have seriously impressed me with your accomplishments so far. This goes for all of you but there are a few specific ones I want to point out

Lord Rendar : Popped 2 miners in his first week. I can't tell you how impressive that is.
Rick Baern: Just broke 15 mil isk. A scout is thrifty
Poe and Biggie C: Got podded! I know that may not seem like an ahievement but they popped their cherry. PvP will be a lot easier from now on. Players will go for years limiting their experience trying to avoid this, you won't.
David/Malevala : Has helped me set up a new office for the corp and has been helping train others. First into the corp and acting like a true leader
Shakey: Finding wormholes left and right. The exploration system is really difficult to master, and figuring it out this fast is a hell of an accomplishment.

Anyways, to quote Dr Killinger, "I feel like such the proud papa!"

Seriously guys, I am proud of the accomplishments of every one of you, keep up the good work!

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Augh! I'm confused!

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lol.

Tip #1 for EvE online.

Don't panic.

Seriously We Will Find You!

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I think in the next day or two I'm going to see what I can find in one of those worm holes. I did a few scans in a wormhole today, but there was a NPC perimeter tower near where I was getting signals so I just jumped back out. I have enough cash to build a new scan/salvage ship, so might as well give it a go. If I make it out alive I should make myself a pretty penny, if not I'll count it as a learning experience.

If you're a miner, let me know. I will try to bookmark any asteroid fields I find and get them to you. I don't think they last very long, maybe a day or so, but it might be worth checking out.

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First couple of days are pretty confusing, it'll come to you though.

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Yeah, can yall believe that I learned this from the ground up by myself? I had just read the PC gamer thing on the Guiding Hand Social Club (read it read it read it read it) and was thoroughly disenchanted with WoW. I walked 10 miles through the snow, every morning, to get even 10k isk. Yall have it so easy now. Actually I lucked out and found a very rare implant on someone worth like 10 mil isk in my first week. Although I had some pretty handy guides back then that don't seem to exist anymore. Found a cached version of the tracking calculator. Dunno if it still works but give it a try, its very informative:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071223162431/www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g25.asp

Editamn yall have some great new things! Just heard about neural remapping. That is really really really useful.

Edit2: To be specific that lets reroll your stats. Used to be you were locked into them. Don't know how often you can do it, but that is incredibly useful if you want to change your characters skill development.

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you can do it 2 times and then once every year.

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if you have an iPhone here is a little app that can help you train
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/capsuleer-for-eve-online/id291118202?mt=8

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My long term plans and goals in EVE are starting to shape up.... second account incoming unless i get bored which shouldnt be the case.

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I'm not confused any more. Now I'm tired. Never start a new game on a weeknight. You end up playing until 1 am and have to get up at 5.

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my bet is you got caught in the neverending tutorials

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Hmm. Played the Crash Course last night. Now, I agree with your posts about WoW, Necronic, but from the Crash Course, I'm not sure this is my answer either. I have to concur with points earlier--this seems like a job rather than a game. I never cared all that much for RTSs and multiple resource management or anything like that. I want more challenge than WoW, but "more to have to do" != "challenge" in my book. Plus, there seemed to be little interaction from me. I click "go here" or "fire at that guy", and then I just watch. I'm going to keep playing, but that's my first impression, and as you know, those are always important.

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Well, that's the beauty of the trial. Once you get a little more understanding of the game your view may change (of course it may not). The combat does initially seem pretty automated, but later on you will see that it is anything but.

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fade said:

Hmm. Played the Crash Course last night. Now, I agree with your posts about WoW, Necronic, but from the Crash Course, I'm not sure this is my answer either. I have to concur with points earlier--this seems like a job rather than a game. I never cared all that much for RTSs and multiple resource management or anything like that. I want more challenge than WoW, but "more to have to do" != "challenge" in my book. Plus, there seemed to be little interaction from me. I click "go here" or "fire at that guy", and then I just watch. I'm going to keep playing, but that's my first impression, and as you know, those are always important.

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EVE is not for everyone that is for sure. It does have a huge learning curve in terms of game and UI, but like any game, people will adapt as you play more of it. It is a pretty nice game if you love number crunching (there are tons of people who love that) or you can just do whatever you like and just enjoy it (like living your own EVE life) It is a very open sandbox type of game that only a few may like it.

If I had more time, I would join y'all

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we'll need to find a few euros for the corp. been alone for 2 hours now

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By the time I get off of work I should be able to pilot better ships. I will probably play only sparingly tonight if at all due to my wife being a bit upset I paid attention to the game and not her. *ulp*

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pod her

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pod her

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She is fully insured and might come back with a bigger ship than Dave can handle.

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Just made Keoran, an Amarr cyberknight. Will head over to the corp headquarters once I get through the tutorials (likely in a few days).

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:rockon:

We've got a pretty good sized crew starting.

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I have tried the demo a couple times and never really gotten into it but after reading this thread I have decided to download the demo again and see if I can get into it. I started a Minmatar and am going through the tutorial mission right now

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Okay I'm interested. I played wow and had fun, but got bored just before I hit BC territory. Was thinking about going back soon but eve has always held an interest for me.
So if I download the 14 day trial on steam then you send me the 21 day trial will they stack?

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It's actually kinda fun but I can see it getting boring unless you are into things like working the stock market and stuff.

But here's the deal: This game let's you do pretty much whatever you want.

Like to PvP? You go into unguarded space and go nuts.
Like to trade? Holy shit is this game for you! The market interface looks like something from Ameritrade!
Like to make stuff? You can do this as well. Make stuff and sell it, buy more items and set up a factory. Yes, you can set up a factory!!
Like to gather? No worries! Get yourself a ship with a massive cargo hold, but some mining lasers and go nuts. Hire some guards to watch your back while in low sec space and you can rake in the dough.
Like to wheel & deal? You can become a DIPLOMAT!!

Or anything in between. Get tired of one you can start something else.

The interface takes some getting used to and you do NOT move using the awsd which annoys the crap out of me. Combat between ships SEEMS to be point & click but I haven't done any PvP and have been told it's more complex than that so I'm not commenting.

I'm going Trader/Miner and am going to start working the markets. I won't get in that many fights and will stay out of low sec space for quite some time. My trading and mining skills are already 3 and I'm working on level 4...

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I did some PvP (lost about 200mil iks easy) and it is basically a numbers game to me. Your loadout vs their loadout and pure luck.

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I don't know if it's been linked yet or not, but there is a career guide out for Eve. http://www.eveonline.com/careerguide/

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Well, I am officially out of buddy codes for this month. Sorry to anyone who was wanting the 21 day trial. I should get more codes in march, although I am not 100% sure

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I have buddy codes if anyone wants em

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Eh, I think I'll pass. I can't get into it. I've had 3-4 bugs already. That, combined with the sparse orientation from the system makes me less inclined to participate. I feel like I just started a job in, like accounting or some other field I don't know. It's not that it's hard per se, it's just totally unfamiliar, and the only thing the accounting firm has told me is where my cubicle is, my computer password, and a 5 minute flash video of the accounting software basics. Yeah, I could figure it all out, but I'm here to account, not figure out the software. Part of it is that I have two little kids and a wife, and I have to be able game casually and sporadically, which doesn't seem to be the model here.

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Ok just made my character

Dubhan the vherokior mystic

Somebody add me so I can have a friend

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Necronic said:

Well, I am officially out of buddy codes for this month. Sorry to anyone who was wanting the 21 day trial. I should get more codes in march, although I am not 100% sure

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You can give them the one you sent me. I never activated it.

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I am waay into this game now and I think I am finally getting the hang of it. I just have a quick question, I am planning on flying out to enlist in the corp, how safe is .6 space and is there any way that I can bring my ships with me that I am not piloting?

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Catafish said:

I am waay into this game know and I think I am finally getting the hang of it. I just have a quick question, I am planning on flying out to enlist in the corp, how safe is .6 space and is there any way that I can bring my ships with me that I am not piloting?

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I am wondering something similar, actually...

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1.0 till 0.5 space is safe.Unless you do something stupid like open a Cargo Container that isnt yours. If you want to bring your ships with you,you need to dissasemble/repackage them.Then put them into a Cargo Hauler.Or you put up a contract to let them be hauled by someone who has the capabilities to transport large masses. (a frig is like 2500m³)

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weeeeeeeeee 0.2 here i come

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Did a little deuling with Mal on Friday, was good fun. Turns out you don't have to flip cans to duel with corpmates. Just go somewhere and commence blowing each other up. So, what do yall think would be a good reward for the pvp tournament?

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Gorram server has been down for about an hour now.

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just got 6 more buddy codes, you want one or know anyone that wants one let me know.

Edit: Also, here's some gameplay footage of Dust 514

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that looked like single player tho

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Its multiplayer. The game interacts with Eve and such.

I still haven't figured out why they are doing a console version of it and not a pc version.. either its by design for a purpose or just stupidity, one of the two.

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i know what it is perfectly well, Mav. I just mean the gameplay footage we saw looked like a single player game.

What i did not know is that it would be console only? That's pretty retarded.

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Heya guys...Sorry that I havent been online as much as I should have been. RL is heaping lots of shit my way.Once im done,I'll get back on the horse.

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The decision to run console only is a bit strange, but I think I understand it. For one it's a larger and completely seperate target audience than what they have now with EvE and PC gamers. It's also a much lower risk area to dev in. Finally though I feel that having a cross platform mmo is really the holy Grail of gaming, and if they can pull this off it will be another amazing milestone for them. Still though...pc would be better.

I'm thinkng of lifting the ban on open pvp in the Corp. This could have serious reppercussions for all members if it drags us into a war, but would also make the game more enjoyable to those that want to do stuff like that. After the frig tourney I want to do a low sec hunting party, it will let y'all get a better feel for low sec pvp, and ahold be a lot of fun. So, thoughts?

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As I said before, I'm not real huge on PvP. I'm not against it morally or anything, I just don't see the need most of the time.

But if we go to war I'm creating an alt who is all war all the time. My main is all about the ISK, baby!

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yeah, it's a bit early for that don't you think

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I think this is where I walked in in the movie. Deja vu?

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I'm not actually in the corp. yet but I think it would be awesome to do some PvP. I was actually considering going out and doing some pirating on my own in the next couple days in a frigate but I was curious as to what skills I should have and what levels those skills should be at before I attempt to start attempting pvp

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...bunch of pansies.

This is why yall don't get the title of Bottom B. I gave that to myself.

Seriously though, its cool. I'm glad yall are understanding the reppurcussions of open pvp

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I'm not a big fan of the idea of going to war so early on, but I wont object too much if we do. Other than my duel with Necro I haven't tried too much PVP. Looking forward to the tourney to get a better taste of it.

Mainly, I have no idea what war really means in Eve. Do we just have to be wary of entering space owned by enemy corps? Would they attack us on sight anywhere or go out of their way to hunt us down?

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They would go out of their way to hunt you down wherever you are. It would be an entirely punitive measure in this case. Open pvp doesn't guarantee war declarations, but it significantly increases their likelihood.

Some events:

Sunday mar 7: pvp frig tourney plus other pvp events. Reward for frig tourney is 10 mil isk. Straker and myself will not be competing, but y'all will face us in "dogpile" event, where it's all of y'all in frigs vs 1 of us in a cruiser. May modify the dogpile based on number of participants.

Sunday mar 7: Corp meeting. We will discuss the future of the Corp.

Tonight through the 7: elect leadership. Due to experience the current leadership is myself and straker, however I feel we need a new (to eve) member from the forum crowd to be a third member of leadership. Therefore I want some nominations (you can nominate youself) in the next couple of days for an election to take place before Sunday. This person would need to be committed to the game for the near future, and be able to play consistently. Between this person, myself, and straker the direction of the Corp (like what to present in a Corp meeting or ideas for events) would be managed. Doesn't mean we will be a dictatorship, definitely will be responsive to input at all stages

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How do you want us to get these nominations to you guys? Here or in game?

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either or

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I mentioned it in corp chat, but thought I should announce my candidacy for the officer position here as well.

(This message paid for by the "Rick Baern for Officer" committee.)

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not interested in an officer position but i'll vote for David

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Hail Boots,

A war declaration on us would be devestating at this point in time. I don't mind a little skirmishing but really we should try to play it cool and stay under the radar for the most part. There's plenty of bullies out there who'd love to squish us. A wardec would mean the enemy corp could legally nail us anywhere, even in high sec, I know what its like to get camped in my station so lets avoid that for now, mmkay? Thankfully it costs isk to declare war so I don't think anyone will bother with us low-profilers.

However, all is not lost. I can promise action. All my pvp assests are located at the Amarr militia HQ. Its literally right on the border with lowsec so we can stage a little roam from there sometime for those who're interested. Good fights to be had out there.

Anyways, til then I look forward to seeing y'all at the tourney Sunday. As an incentive I'll be handing out 5 million isk to every pilot who shows up and participates. Maybe the CEO can match my offer and of course there will be a tasty reward to the victor. If time permits we'll also be demonstrating and drilling various basic pvp techniques as well as discussing ideas for future HAL as far as ops, structure, and isk-printing endeavors go.

o7

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I suck at most PvP in most games but I'll show up, lose and take my 5 mil!

What time is this going to be again? And what fittings can we have/use?

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if'i m able to make it, i'll fly a named T1 fitted punisher.

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You guys make this game sound like fun. I tried the 14 day trial probably last summer and just couldn't get into it.
I thought it would be something like Freelancer. Should I try again or should I try another space mmo?

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It takes a very different ideal to go into Eve. Stuff takes time. It's not for real casual people, especially if you want to get powerful at all.

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try another space mmo

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I think it's fun but in WoW I didn't do much more than mine, gather and make shit. So I was playing Eve before I played Eve.

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blackCat, it is pretty fun when you are with friends. It is VERY hard to solo in this game. It is not really design for it. Sure you can start out solo with NPC corp, but the "good stuff" are with player base corp. Even if you stay in High Security space and produce stuff, player corp can help you get access to stuff you would have a hard time getting alone (like low sec minerals for your production)

About War, I personally would not recommend a small corp go to war with anyone. EVE can be pretty cruel mistress when it comes to war. War with a corp = any member of THAT corp can attack your corp anywhere and anytime. This may "sounds fun" but it can really ruin your day if you are not on your toe in High Security area. Personally, if you want a taste what it is like to be on your toe without going to war, try mining in low sec area or ratting (pirate hunting) in low sec even at .3 and .2 you get some..... fun times.

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Dave said:

I think it's fun but in WoW I didn't do much more than mine, gather and make shit. So I was playing Eve before I played Eve.

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Heh, except in EVE, you can get some REALLY nifty mining stuff like Larger mining ships, really cool mining lasers, mining DROIDS (those are pretty fun) and crafting for EVE is one of the best IMO. You can set up factories to produce stuff (via blueprint) while you are OFFLINE which is pure awesome and pick them up when they are ready.

@Necro: question - is factory still tied to skills on how many can you operate at the same time? I remember back in the old days you need X skills to operate Y factories. The higher the skill, the more factory you can operate.

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Also, Necro, I asked this in game and got one, but what 3rd party addons are good? I got EveMon but what others are there?

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The EvE Fitting Tool is essential for planning out ship fittings. Battleclinic is a website that has a ton of loadouts for people to look at too. You could plan out something in EFT, post the loadout on Battleclinic, and have people give you feedback on it.

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Since straker is giving 5 mil to every participant in the frig tourney I guess I will have to up first place prize to 20 mil. For the tourney any fitting is ok, just remember that it's to the death, so don't fly anything you can't afford to loose. I don't want to have to call the whaaambulance. Also, fit 3 to 4 of the ships you will want for the tourney. 1 for tourney, 2 for dogpile games, and 1 for low sec run with straker. If you need to borrow money to do this let me know, but this time it IS a loan.

Edit: and chichi I don't have an answer for that. I need to learn some production stuff, but for now I am clueless. You could always look at the skill list on the homepage.

Edit2: oh yeah and tourney time I am thinking 2pm central. Haven't decided location but it will probably be in gallente space as that's where most of our members are.

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I was just about to ask about location. Do we want to have it in Sheroo? Since we've got an office there it should be easy for everyone to find.

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I doubt I'll be able to make it, a friend needs help moving. I'll actually probably be pretty vacant for a while. I've got a 13 day skill queued up just in case.

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How long do your chars persist while your account is dormant? I really don't think I'll be playing more than sporadically, much as I enjoy it.

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for ease of computing for all us non americans, what time and date in eve time is that? If I'm around and available I shall be on but I'm guessing since I work during your peak hours I shall miss out. And I doubt my bodd would let me take the day off to play eve. Even if it is for 5 mil ISK

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Hmmm.

I only have 1 ship that I'd think could handle anything in a fight. I can make a bunch of others but they aren't the best fighters. I'll save that ship for the low sec run and make a few for the dogpile/tourney. I can buy the good one again with the 5 mil.

Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!!!

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We still need to settle on a location. Also, are there any suggestions on how to transport a bunch of frigates to another system?

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I have a sigil that I can use to cart 2 at a time. But they'd have to be in my possession and if you are still on a trial account we can't do it.

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Hmm, I'll have to see how big my frigates are when they're packed. I may be able to fit a few in a Weathe and make fewer trips that way.

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FYI a decent pvp ship doesn't need to cost more than 1 to 2 mil isk. Ex

rifter 350k
3 autocannon 150k
small nos 20k
web 20k
ab/mwd 40k
tracking comp/warp disruptor (don't need disruptor for tourney, but in general pvp you want it) 50k
200mm plate 40k
small armor rep 20k
gyrostab 40k

kind of whipped up those prices in my head but they are roughly accurate for a base value. Named mods will cost you more, but they aren't necessary IMHO. Maybe you get named mods for guns and amor rep, but it's only a small boost really. So, 5 mil for a pvp frig is a lot unless you are using t2 and/or rigs, which for y'all you probably shouldn't (when you have the money t2 mods may be worth it, but most of y'all don't)

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goddammit guys!! stop making me want to play when I'm unemployed!

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Joiiiiin usssssss.

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I'm poor! Plus, credit card-less...

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Don't worry about that Calleja. Life will find a way...

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...to pay for EvE without a credit card?

I'd like life to pull THAT one off!

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Can you get Visa gift cards where you live? You can also pay by debit card.

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PayPal is how I play.

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paypal needs a credit card, don't it?

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You can pay for monthly payments with ingame currency. People sell 30 day game cards for the ingame currency, and its fully supported by the developers. No need to ever pay for EVE if you don't want to with real money

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It's a bit difficult for beginners though since they tend to cost quite a bit of ISK.

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....how difficult?

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You can use paypal with a checking account.

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when I say "I have no credit card" I mean "i have no bank account whatsoever".... I thought that was obvious?

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Not really. If you had said you had no debit card, it would have been more apparent. Credit cards are not tied to checking accounts, Calleja.

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...ok, then I have no idea what the difference between a debit card or a credit card is. But i have neither.

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A debit card is tied to a checking account and is used to make purchases in lieu of paper checks. Credit cards are tied to a set line of credit. The money isn't yours, it belongs to the credit company. The credit company will let you use your credit card to make purchases with that money, but will charge you interest for the....privilege. Both debit cards and credit cards can be used to make online purchases.

Really Calleja, how old are you? This is basic fucking stuff.

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in 21 days, if he is unemployed and can devote all that time into playing, then making the necessary amount to buy a 30 day game card wouldn't be that hard

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A debit card withdraws money from your account to pay. A credit car pays and you pay back at a later date.

Actually, I'd say here credit cards ARE tied to a bank account of some form, but I guess it doesn't seem unfeasible for them not to be.

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Baerdog7 said:

A debit card is tied to a checking account and is used to make purchases in lieu of paper checks. Credit cards are tied to a set line of credit. The money isn't yours, it belongs to the credit company. The credit company will let you use your credit card to make purchases with that money, but will charge you interest for the....privilege. Both debit cards and credit cards can be used to make online purchases.

Really Calleja, how old are you? This is basic fucking stuff.

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And you're a basic fucking moron.

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Calleja, you admitted to not knowing something that is, frankly, pretty common knowledge. I elaborated for you. I'm not looking to get into a spat over this.

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I know what the difference between a debit card and a credit card is, you dink, I was being facetitious. Also commenting on the fact that.. yes, you need a bank account to have a credit card. They're not just going to hand them to you if you ask nicely.

Oy vey.

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We have someone in the corp that I don't know. Has 3 characters, Fehrago, Yellop, and Tway. Does anyone know who he his? Is he from the boards? Haven't been able to drum up convo with him yet.

Edit: nm, talking to him now.

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He's a lurker and was talking with Straker and I last night. I believe he may have begun posting here under the name Ferahgo.

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I just found out that I have sunday off so I will be there for the PvP action!

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Boots,

For those of you who are timid. If you do not fight for your assets you will lose them. If a time of need occurs, everyone fights. Therefore it is my job to give every corpie a cursory rundown, in the least, on how pvp works in EVE. That way we wont have folks running through us n' such. I'm not dissuading anyone from specializing into industry/trade, in fact I encourage that if that's your thing.

Fighting other players isn't like many other games where you have to rely heavily on twitch skills, memorizing bajillions of key binds and shot rotations, or micro managing a bunch of stuff. It's all about being tactical, knowing your role, and fitting your ship well for the job. That's all you'll have to worry about for the most part.

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Not liking to PvP is not the same as timid. I'm just saying. I'm going to focus highly on defensive actions and escape.

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Wanted to make sure everyone reads the bulletins posted in the Corp tab. You can access them through...the Corp tab. It will be the primary mode of communication from officers to the Corp at large. Right now the tab shows info on the tourney and other things. I will occasionally make announcements through the forum, but for now that's the place to look.

Straker has been kind enough to offer pvp training to anyone who wants it and I suggest you take him up on that. Even if pvp isn't your bag a little bit of knowledge goes a long way.

Onthat bite I am thinkng of doing something akin to career counseling for everyone in the Corp. We will sit down and go over your skill plans one on one, talking about what you want to do and the best ways to achieve it (skills and otherwise). If you don't have evemon I suggest you get it, it's an invaluable tool.

We also have another new member of note. Tayg/fehrawhatver recently joined the Corp. He isn't from the forum and has a lot of SP (and bounty for that matter). He told me that he talked with one of y'all in a rookie channel, which is how he learned about us. This was with his other alt y-something. Does anyone remember talking to him?

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I think he talked with David. I was on with him a long time the other night and he's been around a long time.

He even brought up the idea of killing his main to collect the 280mil ISK bounty but I didn't press it because if it's something he wants to do cool if not....cool. I wasn't going to be the greedy bastard - even if I was salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs.

I asked why he'd pair up with a bunch of n00bs when he's obviously been playing a while and he pointed out that he likes helping new people and lurked here to see how we were. We must have passed muster.

He did seem a tad concerned about the number of people on, but that's bound to happen from time to time.

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Ok.. you guys are making such a safety net of awesomeness here that I'm just gonna have to join up. I'll finish up Assassin's Creed 2 first and then download the 14 day trial, for sure.

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Bah, don't bother with the 14 day trial Papaya. I'm sure one of use can hook you up with a buddy code for a 21 day trial.

Edit: I gave a buddy code to my RL friend tonight, so I have two more left until April.

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i have a spare one if necessary

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Good show today boots. Very impressed with what all of y'all brought to the table and congratulations to ace pilot Baerdog. Nice shooting!

We'll have to get the gang together again and go over some aspects of fleet. There's just some pretty basic stuff that's good to know that way when we do run some kind of op we wont be dragging our feet around. We'll need to cover navigation, tackling, scouting, scanning, target calling, how to handle drone boats(haha), gate camping, aggro mechanics and probably some other miscellaneous stuff thrown in there.

I'm going to shoot for the same time next Sunday assuming that's the optimal time to catch everyone because I don't wanna have to rehash this stuff a lot and I wanna see who's good at what. We'll run a fleet vs fleet battle for some more good times, most likely in frigates again.

I'll let you guys decide when you want to throw a gang together and do the roam. Just let me know. In the meantime do things to help each other out. Do missions together, haul for one of the miners/traders, or salvage for someone. A little help can go a long way and its more fun to do things with friends. And y'all can arrange duels with each other anytime to test out fits, get used to trigger time, or just for the hell of it, doesn't have to be to the death.

If y'all wanna get little mini-ops going while neither I or the CEO is around you should rally up with Baerdog. After I'm satisfied that everyone is properly orientated we'll be taking in more recruits so that doing big things will be more plausible.

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I got blowed up real good.

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Dave said:

I got blowed up real good.

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No Dave, you blew up the BEST!

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*lights a celebratory cigar with a 1,000 ISK note*

Nice battle today chaps, we'll have to do it again sometime.

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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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damn Gf had to stay longer so i couldnt participate. :/
Should have sent her home.

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Let the record show I hate you all and wish I couldv'e been there to blow up dave. Next time biatchs. I have the day off next week so I'm all for round 2

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don't worry, dave blew up alright

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JUMP CLONES JUMP CLONES JUMP CLONES!

What's a Jump Clone?

You know how jumping 30 star systems is a pain in the ass? With a jump clone you just click a button and with the magic of science your conciousness is transported across the galaxy into a waiting clone. Instantly. You can only do this once a day, but believe me, it makes a HUGE difference.

What's the difference between a jump clone and a regular clone?

Absoultely none. The only thing that defines a jump clone is that it isn't the clone you are in.


How do I get a Jump Clone?

Good question! First you need to get Infomorph Psychology. For every jump clone you will need 1 level of this skiill. Next...you need to leave the corp....Don't worry its only temporary! There is a corp called Estel Arador Corp Services that you will need to join. Put in an app and you will be accepted within a day or two. Then pilot over to one of there MANY stations and buy yourself a jump clone (or 2). They cost a grand total of 100k isk. Then leave the corp and come back our way. Its THAT EASY (it used to be crazy fucking hard).


But I don't feel like it....

DO IT! Seriously though this is an incredibly valuable tool and for as cheap as it is now there is simply no good reason not to do it.


You can read more about it HERE:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710

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I'm gonna have to get me some of these.

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i don't get it, why is he not charging for it ? This is MADNESS. COMMUNIST !

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Jump clones are very handy to have indeed. Highly suggest getting them. Also while we're at it don't forget to keep your clone up to date! If not, you could lose skill points if you're podded somehow and SP are the only thing that cant be purchased with isk!

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just sent myself a buddy code, dual account incoming

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You guys are crazy. CRAZY!

Dual accounts? If my wife caught me paying $30 a month for a game she'd skin me.

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dude, i don't have a wife

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Instead you get a second EvE account. Tell me which of us will get laid.


:laugh:

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There's thiis girl i see whenever i want. I'd tell you, but i like you and i don't want to hurt your feeling, ya know

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She told me she was going to ceramics class!

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boom, 18 mill spent in skills in 21 seconds. OUCH

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Necronic I was curious if there are any of the containers for the reprocessing that you are going to do for us in the corp. hangers in Sheroo or scolluzer

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Ok I definitely want to try this now. Does anyone have a buddy code or should I just try the 14 day trial?

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I can send you a buddy code covar

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Sent you a pm. Will need your email to get you a code.

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The cans should be up and running, I figured out how to get the data into my database so go at it.

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I went to both the corp hangers I was talking about and the 5th divison was locked off for me

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I just got on and there were EIGHT PEOPLE ON!! Then I realized that it switched me to the Jump Clone Corp. D'oh!

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Necro, i should empty 1000 m² of crap in Tew today or tomorrow. do you take ore too?

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Thanks for the invite guys, I'll be on maybe this afternoon or tomorrow sometime. It depends on work, I want to make sure I have a few hours to get into before I start.

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I take ore as well, if you want I can give you minerals or cash back. The other cans shouldn't be locked, I must have messed up how they are set up, I will modify it tonight. I should do a run this Monday, so dump your stuff this weekend if you want a payout. Since this is the first time through I may not have sufficient quantity to get a good price on a couple of items. Therefore I may give the option to recieve a small payout for the items up front on spec, and when volume does get large enough you will recieve the rest of the payout (like 50% up front or something)

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fine with me, i trust you to make better decisions than in would

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It sucks that my manager is back. I couldn't stay at home today and play.

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I just finished the getting started tutorial. I'm going to be off to go get some career training soon.

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I just finished the getting started tutorial. I'm going to be off to go get some career training soon.

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What's your character's name?

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Just a reminder that I'm going to be looking for y'all to muster at the Tew station Sunday at 2pm Central this weekend. That's the same time as last week, if you cant make it, no biggie but we should be doing a little fleet vs fleet scrimmage if turn out is good enough. Will be fun.

Frigates are the order of the day again. We're going to cover "tackling" this time so you must include on your fit: #1 Warp scrambler or warp disruptor and #2 some sort of propulsion mod, either after burner or MWD. The rest is up to you, anything is fair game! 1 ship should be enough but feel free to have more on hand in case y'all wanna duel or whatever, after the tackling lesson you can refit and ditch that warp scrambler for something else for the scrimmage, so bring what you need.

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At 1 o'clock this afternoon my skill queue will be empty. And I won't be home to put in my Cruiser skill book. Damn it.

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i just arrived home, want me to do it?

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I'm having my son do it.

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all good, see you tonight

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Would you still be willing to do this? I blew my son's mind.

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If there's anyone in the corp willing to do this I can't yet and might not be able to until 11 tonight!

PM me and I'll send my name/pass.

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ah crap Sorry Dave, didn't come back to HF, i missed it

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I got it done. Had my son labor through it. Took a while but he did it.

Now I'm flying around in an Osprey.

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Hey guys, soryy I have been somewhat inactive. Like I said, RL comes first. I won't be around for the event this weekend, but should be here monday. Fly safe bitches.

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Necronic, I am just going to leave my stuff for the processing in the 7th division hanger in scolluzer since their is nothing in that hanger currently. I will take screen shots of everything

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Sorry I missed today, family decided a spontaneous trip to my sister's house

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Necronic, I am just going to leave my stuff for the processing in the 7th division hanger in scolluzer since their is nothing in that hanger currently. I will take screen shots of everything

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K, I'll make sure to sort that nonsense out tommorow. Sorry about the delay.

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Sorry I missed today, family decided a spontaneous trip to my sister's house

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hey man, like I said, RL comes first. That's why I wasn't there. Never blow off family for games. Unless they suck.

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yeah, sorry for not showing up either. few friends dropped by at the appartment on their way home from vacation.

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so tonight, i get to fly a well fitted Maller. God damn, medium ship equipment is expensive

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I've been house sitting for a friend and he left me the wrong WEP key.

So I won't be playing much at all this week which sucks, as I'm still trying to decide if I want to play past the trial (I have a ship I can't use until I pay, that's a very good motivator).

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So I have been thinking about our next event/op, and I am thinking 1 of 2 things:

'plexing- we go hit a DeD deadspace complex as a group. Deadspace complexes are like missions except they are static and waaaaayyyyyy more dangerous. This will be a place for us to have some fun as a group while we work on skills that will eventually be useful in group pvp. Could also make some money but I wouldn't count on making much. The Corp wallet can insure the cost of a ship loss up to 4 mil isk.

Exploration complex- we would probably need shakey for this, and I'm not sure he is still playing. This is like a ded plex except that it's not static and it...to be honest I don't know a lot about them, but I will look into them some.

Low sec run- my alt Tehg has ~80 mil isk in goodies 1 to 4 jumps into low sec in a number of places. What I would like to do is get a lot of the Corp on to practice scouting into low sec to make safe passage for valuable items (like the hauler I will have). To make sure this isn't a artful dodger kind of thing I will be paying any corpies who help out (not sure how much yet), covering the cost of any lost ships, and also donating some of the proceeds to the Corp wallet.

We can only really do 1 of these in a day. My suggestion is the plex on Sunday, as it's guaranteed action, and the low sec run on eiter Saturday (so the EU tz people can join in) or wait till there is more value in it.

Let me know what y'all think of these options, or if you have any other ideas. Y'all have spent a lot of time running missions and doing the boring stuff while you have been learning the basics and building your wallet. I think at this point it's time to start doing some other more interesting stuff.

One final note. I don't think we will be getting many more people from the forum at this point, and I do want to grow us some more so people aren't in Corp chat alone. I am seriously considering opening recruitment. Please tell me your thoughts on this.

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Open it.

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So, scratch the plex idea. Came up with a way better one (plus plexes have changed a bunch since I have been gone).

Low sec day.

We're going to do a low sec op day. This will have something in it for absolutely everyone. We will find a low population low sec area. We will head in in force. Miners will go to town on the ore, and the rest of us will do a combination of ratting, scanning for exploration sites (if Shakey comes back or if anyone else knows how to do that) scouting neighouring systems for incoming hostiles, and, most important of all, protecting each other. Miners aside everyone should be fitted for PvP, even the ratters. The goal is that if a small amount of pirates come in, we can protect ourselves easily, and if a large amount of pirates/pvpers come in we can anticipate them coming in and haul ass out of there.

Here's a couple of the roles I know we will need:

Scouts - If the one thing you are good at is dying then this is the role for you. Your goal will be to determine whether a jump gate is safe for all of us to head through (no gate camp). When we are in a system working you will need to keep visiting nearby systems making sure we have an escape route on a gate. Remember Zombie Land rule #22 - When in doubt know your way out. And in low sec you are always in doubt.

Intelligence - This role can be shared with others, but should probably best be handled by a miner. Your role will be to monitor available information sources to determine if we can expect problems, and also to help guide the scouts. To do this you will be watching local like a hawk for any new people showing up in system, and also monitoring the map statistics like player jumps in the last hour (can tell us local activity), ships killed in the last hour/pods killed in the last hour (to prevent scouts from walking into an obvious gate camp). To do this succesfully you will need to be intimately acquainted with the map system.

Miner - Self explanatory. You will be stripping the world clean of filthy rocks. You will need to be able to fly a cruiser and have some decent mining skills

Hauler - As of now I doubt anyone in corp can fly a mining barge, so all our miners will be mining in cruisers. They will be filling up jetcans, and its your job to get them. More than likely this will be a part time job, only necessary when a couple full hauler loads have been filled. So you may also be a ratter. This also may be my alt Tehg, depending on how well I can dual box.

Ratter/Boot- You will be ratting in belts. The miners themselves will need protection from rats and there should be plenty of other asteroid belts in the system we are in. Even though this will be mostly pve you will need to fly a pvp fit, as you will be our pvp reserves.

PvP protector - You also may be ratting, but your number 1 goal is pvp. More than likely you will be either ratting in the belt that has the miners or sitting in a safe spot aligned to the miners ready to jump in at a moments notice. This may mean a lot of sitting around.

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Scanner - If Shakey comes back or if someone can be spared for scanning then this will be valuable. This person will be working with the scouts to scan surrounding systems for either decent (and empty) complexes or for mining sites. Tons of money to be made in these.
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Due to the danger presented in this corp funds will be used to replace any losses we can afford to during this mission. We will bring some spare frigates with us to replace scout ships as they are lost (assuming they aren't podded) . If you are capable of flying a cruiser well I would suggest you get into one. Corp funds may be available to help pay for one, this will be decided on a case by case basis. The reason is that some of us will need to be in frigates (the scout and some of the PvP protectors).

None of these roles is more important than the others, without one of these working properly we have a much higher chance of dying or not making isk. You will also probably notice that some of these roles are slightly more profitable than others. Therefore for this day corp taxes will be increased to 100%, and all items gained through any actions will belong to the group as a whole. We will divy up most of the profits at the end of the day, with the rest being given out after value is determined. Depending on how succesful this is there is a LOT of money to be made here.

I'm germinating this idea and its not concrete right now. I want to talk to straker about this. He will most likely be in charge of the pvp wing. Here's what yall can do in the meantime. Get to know the map. Mess around with the color by statistics functions. Look for star systems or areas of star systems that have little activity in them. Our goal is to be a mouse in an elaphant cage. We will be smarter and faster than them, and we will make our money and leave before they knew we were there.

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I will be able to fly a mining barge in 1 day, 5 hours, 7 minutes and....3 seconds.

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However, my Hoarder has 5-9x the cargo space as the basic mining barge.

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That sounds fucking awesome Necronic!

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Agreed. I can't promise to be available on Sunday, but I'll do my best.

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k, we'll see how many people we can get on. We should have enough to do this. More than likely we will be doing this regularly.

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I'm not available saturday (your afternoon is my evening., On sunday i can show up with my Omen and be there for 3-4 hours. This time i'll be there.

Edit: yeah open the recruitment. Dubhan and I could really use some company

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Hey! I'm on almost every day!

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so for you EU/aussie dudes, what does 5:00 PM central time mean?

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central us time? i think i'm +8

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Oh, and I'm cool with opening recruitment up...


No former GHSC members!

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Like they would ever join with anything other than a spy alt with a clean history?

Anyways, I found our systems. Not sure the name of the high sec entryway but set your autopilot for grootheese in everyshore. I realize it's like 20 jumps, but that's what the jump clones are for (you got one right!) I think this will become a seconddary operations location for us for a while. I'm going to grab an office over there.

I think we'll shoot for 1pm central. Try and relocate before the op. I will provide replacement ships and equipment in the region.

Also, for those of you who like podcast I have 2 to suggest:

podded podcast - 2 Brits talking all things eve. Very funny show, lots of info on the wider world of eve

fly reckless - lots of very in depth info. Recently changed over toa talkshow format, not sure I like it but the older shows are very informative.

Both casts will talk about a lot of the things that we in our little microcosm have never dealt with or heard of, and make for an interesting listen as they talk about big stuff like alliance wars and whatnot. Definitely suggest listening. There's also eve radio, a 24/7 live streaming radio station. Also a cool listeen depending on the host and your music tastes (some shows are music others are info)

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I wouldn't count on me scanning. I wish I could play, but I got too much stuff going on and games are at the bottom of the list.

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I'll be there but I'll have to probably not be on tomorrow or Saturday so the wife doesn't disown me or replace me.

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I'll be there. Plan on me showing up in a cruiser for guard duty or whatnot.

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So what are we all doing, then? If I'm mining I'm taking 1 ship. If I'm scouting/baiting I'm taking a different ship. If I'm hauling I will be taking my hoarder.


If it's 20 jumps away and that's where we'll be setting up I'll want to start moving gear over.

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Shakey, I totally understand.

Dave, I am very dissapointed in your decisions.

Just kidding.

I'll be hauling with tehg. Presumably you'll be mining, that's what you're interested in for right now right? I'll be setting up enough t1 frigs for scouts to replace stuff easily.

Rick, good to hear. Right now it looks like we easily have enough for a good op. Here's the basic rundown of who's who and what they're doing:

Mining: Dave and Mal, Keoran also said he was interested in that IIRC

Dedicated PvP: Straker, Rick, Rakim

Hauling: Tehg

Scout: ---not sure yet, depends on who else shows up.

Also, I'm starting to have difficulties keeping up with whose name is what. I want to put it on the first page of this thread. So far I know this:

Hellkyte, Tehg Rhind - Necronic
Davendoral - Dave
Malevela - David
Sun Poe - Raven Poe
Lord Ayabamelaksjdlgasolgh - Lord Ravage
Shakey *** - Shakey

Rakim *** - Math 242

Dubhaman and Catafish I can't remeber who you are in game. Could yall help me fill this out, and anyone else I am missing. I'm bad enough with names as it is, this is like 2 times as hard (literally).

......can't think of anything else. Gonna be at a dieselboy show on saturday night, good times good times.

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dubhan is Gargoyle_eva

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Baerdog7 = Rick Baern

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OMFG....


Listen to this:

REALLY NSFW

Edit: since its not in this recording you should know that he calls a phone sex line. In case you can't figure it out.



The podded podcast is giving 1 year game time to whoever sends in the funniest sound clip. This one is....really fucking funny.

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Catafish = Darigorn

Sadly I won't be able to make it to the even because of work =/

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This week ends op is going to be a no bullshit, live fire event. If you want to prove your mettle in the field, now is the time to step up gentleman. The CEO has stepped up and decided... The enemy, will be real. The targets of opportunity, will be real. I cannot guarantee your survival, but I will give you my personal all, full on. I will not abandon you under any circumstances and I expect similar in return. I'm putting it all on the line this night, so that we can prove we have what it takes, as an entity. You have RL obligations, fine. You fly with me, die with me, even better. You engage a fleet and destroy it under my command, well... we're going places now. Boots... they're out there. I wanna show them we mean business. You know where to report, the line has been drawn this weekend. I will take you the rest of the way...

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Does this mean we're not mining?

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By the way, the place is Groothese. If you cut & paste what Necronic put you'll get nothing.

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And most of us can't jump clone back to Tew because we're not popular enough there. Just because YOU can do something doesn't mean WE can.

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Edit: So I talked to dave and need to explain some more on jump clones. Jump cloens are not medical clones. When you pick one up it can be looked at in your character sheet under jump clones. Its not the same thing as the station medical clone.

edit2: Also, once you're in it its just like your old clone, you can move it wherever. You old clone is now a jump clone.


Also, everyone needs to be able to use vent for this event. Exceptions can be made for people whose computers or internet speed simply can not handle it, but its going to be really important for combat coms.

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I think you should post the vent server information that we'll be using.

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FYI Necronic, you need a 8.0+ standing with a npc corporation to create jump clones in their medical facilities (whether you have it, or corp has the standing). Atm, Corp has an 8.04 with Caldari Navy, so everyone in the corp can make jump clones at caldari navy stations.

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Necro posted information about a corp started by a guy with 8.0 standing with a shitton of stations where people can get jump clones for just a few hundred thousand ISK.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...hreadID=939710

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Jump Clones 101

After much frustration with the whole topic of jump clones I finally cornered Necronic and asked him a bit more about them. Unfortunately I got nothing but unsatisfying answers and was confused as shit. How could I get a JC in Tew when the only corp that I could buy one from was 21 jumps away? I knew he must have a good standing with Tew but that didn't help us new people. I already had a JC 21 jumps away but didn't know how to use the damned thing. So this morning Necronic and I were online at the same time and after many bits of information finally plugging the holes left in my knowledge, I now know how to use Jump Clones.

Here are the steps for using Jump Clones:

1. Train in the skill Infomorph Psychology. Each level of skill allows you to have 1 jump clone somewhere.
2. To get a clone you'll either have to have a corp standing with the place you want the clone (which we don't) or you'll have to quit HalCorp temporarily and join a new corp. There is a corp that deals exclusively with Jump Clones that was discussed earlier.
3. Pay 100,000 ISK for said jump clone.
4. Okay, now I had done all of that but here's where my knowledge had the holes. To activate the jump clone you should be in a station. Click on your Character Sheet - NOT the medical facilities as I'd thought.
5. Pause your skill training.
6. Get out of your ship!! You can't be in the ship when you do this.
7. In your character sheet, click Jump Clones
8. Where it says the location of your jump clone, RIGHT CLICK and say "jump clone".

You are now in the station where you set up your jump clone. You can do this once every 24 hours.

Here's the beautiful part. Say you have a clone in Tew and another clone in TimbukTew, which are 36 jumps apart. But you want one of your clones to be in Tosh. Take your clone from Tew to Tosh and jump back to TimbukTew. Your jump clone is now in Tosh, not Tew. So I have one now in Tew and will use the other for low sec stuff where we're setting up tomorrow. If we make a low sec base of operations I'll have 1 there and 1 in Tew.

I hope this helps because I was fuckall confused about Jump Clones.

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I assume we'll be using the forum vent server. I believe the info for it is on the board somewhere. Anyone know the linkage?

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http://www.halforums.com/forum/faq.php?faq=gamelist#faq_vent

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Wait, I thought EvE had a voice communication thingie already integrated?

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EvE's voice chat tends to bog things down in heavy combat.

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ah, that's bad, they should talk to the ventrilo people and find a way to integrate that non-resource hogging audio awesomeness.

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might not be able to make it later

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I'm running into last minute "I wanna go to Walmart"-ness from the wife. Fighting that battle so I can fight the battle.

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so is anyone else coming on? Right now only mal and chris are here, although I know dave will be back on in a sec

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so, wrapup of todays op. Tried to go do low sec mining. Did not turn out very good. Never got anything mined, and lost like 4 ships. Then ferago found us a wormhole mining site. Jumped in there and mined for about 3 hours, got some great loot. Everyone involved (mal, keorean, rick, dave, and chris) got a 6.4 mil payout.

In the end it wasn't completely a loss, but any of yall could have made more money running missions with ferago or straker. So I don't think we'll be doing any big ops like that again, at least not for profit.

What I do want to do is lift the ban on open pvp. I want people to go out to low sec and have fun. Treat everyone there as your bitch. There is a very small chance that we may get a war dec for doing this, but I wouldn't worry about it. So go out to low sec. Go with friends or on your own. Go get some kills. The first person to get on the killboard (aside from straker, ferago, or myself) gets a 10 mil isk reward.

Final note is that my activity is going to seriously diminish over the next couple of weeks. I've been playing pretty heavily, both for my own pleasure and also to get everyone hooked, and its starting to affect my school and whatnot. As of now I think you guys are well hooked, so I am gonna let yall go free range, as it were.

Anyways, good show by all. For you EU TZ people I am really trying to ramp up the recruitment drive, try and give yall some playmates. If you know people who might be interested try bringing them in.

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I THINK I might download this this week and use the 21-day trial Ravenpoe so awesomely hooked me up with. THINK.

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i played eve. I didnt really ever get stunningly- game endingly ruined, but the yield on faux economies can only take me so far for the nuts and bolts gank, or be ganked reward..Its more fun to read about the betrayals while doing other things than the artificial job. That said, maybe if Calleja logs in....

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I think once more of the mining/explorer group have a chance to upgrade their skills/ships (not to mention get more people), runs like that will be more profitable. Was still fun to do it.

I imagine we're way too low as a group to be trying to fight Sleepers?

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so, from I gather a jump clone is just a fancy expensive way to bind yourself to several places you may or may not want to instantly teleport to rather than travel the distance?

i'd love to get into eve but.. i'm just not devoting a year of my time to becoming truly pvp viable

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TeKeo said:

I think once more of the mining/explorer group have a chance to upgrade their skills/ships (not to mention get more people), runs like that will be more profitable. Was still fun to do it.

I imagine we're way too low as a group to be trying to fight Sleepers?

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We fought off some low level sleepers today before you got to the wormhole. Sleeper frigates, destroyers, and cruisers really aren't too much trouble to deal with. Right now the issue is mostly with having enough miners in mining barges and such to harvest things faster.

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Tactical recap and analysis of Sunday's event: We got the team together and moved out into lowsec space. Unfortunately the natives were more numerous, better equipped, and organized than we'd hoped for.

We passed through about 2 lowsec systems on our way to our destination and we were observed but not engaged directly upon our approach. The systems were actually pretty busy. We dropped anchor on our first belt and began going to work. We were promptly engaged by a pirate Cynabal, a nasty faction cruiser, who quickly melted our scout Chris in a Rifter. We hastily assessed the situation and decided to engage but the pirate was having none of it and used his speed to break away, likely attempting to string us out. We maintained discipline though and castled up, out gunned he warped off. I think the only way to deter him from picking us off would be to have ships with comparable range and firepower and then tacklers to web and finish him. We did not have these tools at this point.

Having attracted some attention right off the bat we warped to the safety of a station in system. Some docked, others stayed out in docking range. Those who stayed had a single pirate Dominix battleship warp in on them who targeted us but did not aggress. He was then joined by second Domi followed later by a THIRD Domi. I knew we'd be ok as we could just dock up if they started shooting so we took our time coming up with another gameplan. We came to the decision to back track and try mining in a more quiet system, as this was happening the enemy fired so we docked but then I quickly ordered everyone to undock, align for gate, and warp as a whole. The maneuver worked perfectly and the fleet was able to escape the pirate station camp unscathed. There's really nothing else we could've done in this situation except obviously have more firepower, a lot more... but I was happy with how everything was handled and people staying frosty with me.

I jumped the fleet into our next destination system but did not have the scout scan out a clean belt beforehand. This had the fleet exposed on gate while we scanned the belts, a pirate in a Megathron took advantage of this and warped in on us, nailing our scout once again. I'd found a belt though and we rapidly warped to it in hopes we'd be left alone to get away with some ninja mining. This was not to be as the same sniper fit Megathron warped in on us not 2 minutes into mining. He locked and destroyed a hauler and a miner extremely fast, was very discomforting. Overwhelmed and looking outclassed again we had to make a break for it. I did not like this scenario because of how fast he worked and how helpless we were made by a single ship, we may have been able to make something happen if we had some decent ewar aboard but as it stood I was pretty certain he'd pop us to the last man.

Having encountered danger and unfavorable odds at literally every corner, we gave up on mining roids in lowsec for the day. The crew was able to make some isk thanks to Ferahgo who probed out a worm hole from highsec which was devoid of activity allowing us to mine in safety. Thanks go to Ferahgo for that. The lowsec portion of the op looks like a failure at face value but I saw us gaining a lot from the experience and it was not the complete disaster it could've been. The fleet was never wiped completely and we avoided a common pitfall, the gatecamp, though I suppose none where up. The corp got exposed to situations many had never been in and now knows what to expect a little better, we didn't get any rocks there but we did get some pretty valuable lessons and experience.

The CEO does not see much value in doing major ops in lowsec at this point and I'm inclined to agree in part. I think I may make... some efforts to find a more chill sector of lowsec to jerk around in sometime and I think the real price tag is not measured in isk but in the interactions with other players out there. Think of it as a not-so gentle familiarization process. There are many things in EVE you must learn by doing, so I may get us together and have another go at it sometime but nothing major of that sort for a while I don't think.

Thanks go out to those who turned out and participated and Big Ups to Ferahgo for the advice and worm hole opportunity.

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Damn, I'm so stoned that that wall of text literally made push my head back as if punched.

The wall of text literally landed a critical blow for like 20d6 damage on me.

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i fucking hate my work. 9 PM, about to log in Eve and be on time for the OP then i get a call from the factory.

The entrance system is messed up, cards can't be read. the chemical system is also down.

It was not a good night

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I had a tricked out mining Osprey. Had being the key word. The miner that he blowed up real good? That was me. But it was my fault as I was too slow recalling my drones. Next time I leave the mining drones to be scooped or popped and save my 4 mil ISK ship instead.

It was not a good trade off.

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Mav said:

so, from I gather a jump clone is just a fancy expensive way to bind yourself to several places you may or may not want to instantly teleport to rather than travel the distance?

i'd love to get into eve but.. i'm just not devoting a year of my time to becoming truly pvp viable

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What do you mean by pvp viable?

T1 Frigate - 2 weeks
T1 Cruiser - 1 month
T1 BattleCruiser - 3 months

Bear can back this up. Should be in a very nasty 'cane fit soon.

And frigates are not worthless pvp ships:

www.eve-pirate.com


Calleja and Crone, we would love to have you in corp.

Also, Lord Rendar, the ban on open pvp is gone. Go kill some miners. Like I said, 10 mil to first killmail from a noob.

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I certainly can back that up. I won the PvP frigate tourney after just a few weeks (admittedly, against new players like myself). I'm currently flying around cruisers after just over a month and in about two weeks I'll have a pretty kickass battlecruiser to jump into which should put me on the gank train to rape town.

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we'll have to duel when we're both in our BC's.

(i'd vote for no destruction tho )

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Dave said:

I had a tricked out mining Osprey. Had being the key word. The miner that he blowed up real good? That was me. But it was my fault as I was too slow recalling my drones. Next time I leave the mining drones to be scooped or popped and save my 4 mil ISK ship instead.

It was not a good trade off.

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Yuck. I hope you were insured.

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Nope. The only ship I had that wasn't. So they sent me 1.5 mil ISK as a pity policy.

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if I came back, it wouldnt be to "hook up." just ruin calejabbara's day

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Plus the Corp funds were used to insure ship losses, since any losses were mainly causedby me pickng a poor op location.

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I was ABOUT to download this when I decided to plug my microphone in... forgot I still can't get it to work properly on Windows7, it's static 75% of the time with me barely audible in the background.... it's a driver thing cause it works fine in XP, but I'm not willing to boot over in XP cause I love Win7 SO EFFIN MUCH.


So, my question is, how necessary is the microphone thing?

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Not Necessary. Can just listen/type in chat ingame.

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So working on the loadout in EFT for the Hurricane I plan on building made me start looking at other ships that can speed tank.

I really, really, really want a Vagabond now.

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Vagabond -used- to be good, its pretty bad now. The Cynabal is the new FOTM and will also take less training to get into

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So.. let's say I downloaded this today..when would it be a good time to hop on so I have some sort of guide in what looks like the scariest game ever for a newb?

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Evening, usually. You should put your character name in here so we know who to look for.

Edit: Fer, I hadn't even considered the Cynabal. It looks nice.

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No more ban on open PvP!!! YAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

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...don't start calling people "Fer" here, that's the short form of MY name, Fernando, it's like reading my mom referring to me or something.

On to download.

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Wait, Ravenpoe sent me a 21-day trial link to my email a couple of weeks ago, but when I clicked on it today it says FREE 14-DAY TRIAL ACCOUNT SIGN UP

did the 21-day one expire or is that normal and I'll still get 21? Checking before I register anything.

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you'll still get the 21

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AAHH!! Are you sure!?

"Congratulations! You have created your 14-day trial and are about to embark on an adventure unlike any you have experienced before."

FOURTEEEEN

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Did you click the trial thingy on the website or follow the link in the email Poe sent you?

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I clicked the link Poe sent me. It all still says 14-day. When Ferahgo said i'll still get 21 I proceeded to register... and still see 14. I'm now downloading, but i keeps specifically saying "14-day trial".

Sigh, I think I just lost 7 days of trial.

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Go to eveonline and check your account settings. Find how many days are really on your account. should say 21.

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Yeah, no, I'm screwed. And I assume the account is linked to my e-mail?

sigh.

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2 faults so far for EvE, first the 21-day link that didn't work for no specified reason, second the auto-installer refused to download the game because it said I didn't have enough disk space even though I kept pointing it at an installation destination in the partition that has 55+ gigs.

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Calleja said:

So.. let's say I downloaded this today..when would it be a good time to hop on so I have some sort of guide in what looks like the scariest game ever for a newb?

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*perk*

I guess I'll have to download the client

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Well dunno why you didnt get the 21, probably because you waited to long but don't see why that should have affected it. Second, its not tied to your email, you can have multiple accounts to your name/email/payment ect. And as to why it won't download right, /shrug, get a better computer lol

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The computer is working fine, thanks, it's just that the client didn't seem to like the fact that I have a partition for the OS and another for ..well, all the storage.

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Calleja said:

The computer is working fine, thanks, it's just that the client didn't seem to like the fact that I have a partition for the OS and another for ..well, all the storage.

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does that mean you're not going to play? =(

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just biomass your character (so you can reuse the name) and go start a new account.

Glad to have you aboard Caleja

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I haven't created the character yet, just the account, I'm downloading (manually, cause the client sucks) the game right now.... but what can I do before it's done downloading to get the 21 days?

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Have someone send you a new 21 day trial

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Can someone please send me one at the e-mail you can see in my profile?

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Huh, I'm not sure where Poe got my e-mail, I can't seem to find just the addy on my profile.

I'ts fcalleja and then the gmail stuff.

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Calleja, if you haven't gotten it by then I will buy you a 1 month account.

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gotten the 21 day trial? wha? Don't buy me stuff, Turbo, you have nice kids to buy stuff for, and as much as I'd like to be your son (you're certainly old enough) it's better if I just take up your offer of crashing on your couch whenever I'm in your area during my grand world trip I'll someday do before I'm old...



...



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...like you.

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Oh for FUCK'S sake...

Spent 2 fraking hours downloading the EVE client.... and it's of no fucking use because it will NOT let me specify where it wants to FUCKING extract the package and is VEHEMENT to do it in a temporary folder in the OS's partition where there is NO FUCKING SPACE because that's NOT the partition I use to SAVE stuff so I don't need more than a gig or 2 of leeway.

No, no, forget the fact that's there's a PERFECTLY GOOD partition right in the same hard drive with OVER 50 GODDAMNED GIGS FREE FOR IT TO SHIT ALL OVER!

so, yeah, unless you guys have any ideas on how to circumvent this fucking STUPID coding error on EVE's part, I'm not gonna be able to join you guys in your cool awesome game there.

gorram it, i swear, it's like they don't WANT me to get hooked and pay them.

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well, I hope you get to play, I'm already going through the basic Amarr storyline.

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I'll wait until tomorrow for someone to think maybe of a solution, then I'm erasing the fucking 2+GB file I downloaded, unsubscribing from this thread and forget this awesome game I've been salivating over for weeks fucking even exists.

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Hmm I have a partition and I got it to work fine for me. Don't remember how exactly that all went down but I don't explicitly remember having to do any tinkering.

As to Mav's remarks, yes there are definitely pvp things you can do within the first weeks of the game. Lord Rendar ganked a couple of guys right from the get go. And like they said, Baerdog will be able to fly a battlecruiser soon but is already flying one of the baddest cruisers in the game, the Rupture, and when he gets that thing dialed in he'll be a legitimate threat to many targets.

@Crone, you may want to consider the corp because it allows you to freely shoot your corpmates even in highsec space, which would normally get you shot down. I think you see where I'm going here. =)

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The game play definitely feels different since I stoppedf playing around Quantum rise, that's for sure. And while I appreciate the "offer" if calejjanaijackaroo isn't going to play then I might not stay plast my trial either, because it still feels like SuperBang and Boom Microsoft Excel 98. Tell you how pavlovian it was, before I scrubbed the crash course i was setting skills. Queue is a new addition.

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decided to upgrade for a month. The new attributes system is a bit wanky, but hey. now to find usable skill trees to figure out what's what

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there any guides that will tell me what skills i need to train up in order to start killing people?

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http://www.realpoor.com/An_Eve_Online_Guide_for_Beginners_pt1__Learning__t186780.html

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mav -> pick a minmatar, -> train autocannon to lvl 3 -> fly a rifter -> fit a warp scrambler and you can already kill people.

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Math242 said:

mav -> pick a minmatar, -> train autocannon to lvl 3 -> fly a rifter -> fit a warp scrambler and you can already kill people.

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That's about right. Here's one ofa couple basic pvp rifter fits (not sure exactly what will fit in your powergrid/cpu, so increase or decrease the size of your ac's to get it as tight as possible:

1)
hi - 3x ac 150, 1x rocket launcher
med - 1mn afterburner, scram, web
low - gyrostab, 200mm plate, small armor repairer

2)
hi - 3x ac 150, 1x small nosferatu
med - 1mn afterburner, scram, web
low - gyrostab, 200mm plate, small armor repairer

3)
hi - 3x ac 125, 1x rocket launcher
med - 1mn afterburner, scram, web
low - Damage control, 400mm plate, gyrostab



Calleja. I've seen some posts about how to install eve on a partitioned hard drive, but I can't look at them right now since I am at work. It may be worth a second try?

Crone. Put in an ap to corp, you don't need no stinky calleja.

Also, does anyone know how I can change the title of the thread? Wan't it to say something like "EvE online Hal Industries, join us"

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maybe we shoud ask Dave for a sub board for EVE

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Or at the minimum, a new thread. With all of Hal Industries ingame names etc.

i just realized why eve draws me back. it isnt the pvp or whatever, its the skill queue ocd addictive urge. Must skill on time!

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So no one has any ideas on how to get the installer to extract the package somewhere where there's actual space? I tried googling this and people HAVE complained about the same problem, but haven't really seen any solutions.

Some other forum mentioned doing it with winrar? how can I open a .exe with winrar so I can manually extract it? Argh, you have no idea how much this is pissing me off.

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is it isanely impossible to shuffle stuff temporaily out of the extraction folder it wants to like a USB key, and then shuffle things back?

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Once we get to a certain point we will actually need a secured forum space in here, as in no one but our corp members can access it, due to the issues with spies/etc. At this point though that's not an issue in the slightest.

Calleja, really sorry about the problems you are having. I will look for some stuff when I get off of work, can other people google around for him as well? Hopefully we can get you in.

Also, Crone, since your admittedly OCD about skill queing, I assume you already have EvEMon right? If not getitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetitgetit

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Crone said:

is it isanely impossible to shuffle stuff temporaily out of the extraction folder it wants to like a USB key, and then shuffle things back?

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Yeah, pretty much, cause there's NOTHING on the partition it wants to extract to but the OS stuff, so I'd have to gut Windows7, which I don't think is a good idea. I've tried clearing everything that might be there, temporary files, recycle bin, etc. Hell, I even compacted the registry, to no avail.

The partition for OS/partition for everything else system has worked for me perfectly for years... any time I want to re-format or re-install windows I can do so without having to back anything up nor having to worry about losing anything. This is the first time any software has gotten a stick up its ass about it.

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VEMon 1.2.8.1385 - EVEMon is a lightweight, standalone ...
Jun 22, 2009 ... EVEMon EVEMon is a lightweight, standalone Windows application designed to assist you in keeping track of your EVE Online character.

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and atm I cant even get Evemon's page from battle clinic to load.

but yeah, I play on a Mac Pro. im not inclined to partition it, install windows 7 and install Eve and Eve mon. For the moment, I'm just getting learning for implants anyway...

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Ok, so I'll describe the problem specifically so you guys know what I'm up against.

The "non-manual" installation file, that is the small .exe you can download which then proceeds to try and download the main client itself, DOES let you choose where to save stuff.... but even if you point it at a destination that's in the storage partition, it refuses to download it claiming there's not enough space. Apparently it only checks in the OS partition for space. Stupid. When it fails it gives you a link to a "manual" installation file, which is pretty much you just downloading the 2.4~ GB file. Fine, I downloaded that.. RIGHT to the storage partition, mind you.

When that finally finished downloading I run THAT... and it instantly starts unpacking itself.. onto a temporary destination in the OS partition. There's even a "browse" button that should let you choose where you want it to unpack, but it's always grayed out, there's no pause between you running the .exe and it beginning the extraction. Since it won't let you choose where to unpack itself (even though it teases you with the grayed out option) it will eventually fail (after a few long minutes of it trying, mind you, this time it DOESN'T check before.. stupid) and tell you there's not enough space. Well no shit, sherlock.

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Have you opened a ticket at EveOnline.com?

http://support.eve-online.com/pages/kb/

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http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=15

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ok, can you post your system specs? OS, etc? I'm presuming you tried everything here: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=15

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Googling around I found someone in a forum with the exact same problem:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1030300/page/1

Problem is he just mentions he solved it with WinRar and moves on... I've tried changing the .exe extension to .rar to no avail, it won't run. How else am I supposed to get WinRar to extract the client from the .exe?

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something like this help? http://www.heaventools.com/PE_Explorer_plug-ins.htm

http://www.redsofts.com/soft/73/1221/Neuron_PE_Disassembler.html

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If you have winrar, you can right click on the big 2 gig file you downloaded and select "Extract Files...". Then you can choose where to extract it to. I haven't tried running the installer that it extracts, but that may do it.

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System specs? Windows 7, 4GB RAM, 160 GB hard drive partitioned in a OS/Storage way (20/140), ATI Mobility video card with 256MB, Core Duo processor.

The support link you both posted doesn't seem to apply to my case, though... am I missing something? The only mention they have to "not enough space" is

Failed installs can also be due to your harddrive not having enough free space, check this before continuing.

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I checked, dammit, I KNOW where I have space and I don't.. stupid help page.

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Alright, I'll try right clicking and extracting, to see if the result works.

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It finally finished extracting. You should get 2 files, a setup file and an archive. I ran the setup and it started OK. I don't want it installed on this PC, so I didn't go any further.

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Do you have Steam? Since Steam has its own install process, you should be able to point its download/install area to your storage partition, then install the free EvE "demo" (which is the full-size game with a 14 day credit), and then just add the buddy code for an (I think) additional 21. The only reason to actually buy the client is to take advantage of an offer, if they have one running.

If you don't have Steam (and don't otherwise intend to), you may not want to do it this way, but that's another option which should work, I think.

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I don't have Steam, no (i've always thought it's a pay-to-game service?) but Shakey's option seems to have done the trick... it's now succesfully extracting the files, so it seems it worked. Let's see if the installation itself goes without a hitch, but I don't see why it shouldn't.

I think we're in business gentlemen I'll keep you posted.

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Look for me tonight.

My name will either be Daverondol or my new guy from last night (I just created him)....


TURBO NIHSEN!!!

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omfg

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Yup. I'm now a multi-boxer.

Daverondol will be mining/industrial.

Turbo will be PvP and PvP only. He'll never do anything but train combat shit.

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Calleja said:

I don't have Steam, no (i've always thought it's a pay-to-game service?) but Shakey's option seems to have done the trick... it's now succesfully extracting the files, so it seems it worked. Let's see if the installation itself goes without a hitch, but I don't see why it shouldn't.

I think we're in business gentlemen I'll keep you posted.

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And you wonder why i never ever pass up an opportunity to call you Susan,

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There was an EvE interest thread over on GITP so I threw up a post pimping HAL Industries with a link to this thread and telling them to contact Hellkyte, Straker, or myself in-game for more information. Hopefully we'll be seeing a mix of new players and more experienced ones looking to get back into the game coming our way.

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Crone;359563][QUOTE=Calleja said:

I don't have Steam, no (i've always thought it's a pay-to-game service?) but Shakey's option seems to have done the trick... it's now succesfully extracting the files, so it seems it worked. Let's see if the installation itself goes without a hitch, but I don't see why it shouldn't.

I think we're in business gentlemen I'll keep you posted.

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And you wonder why i never ever pass up an opportunity to call you Susan,[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's BECAUSE you call me Susan that I have used "gentlemen"...once. Ever.

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Alright, I'm in, I've launched the game and completed the "crash course" up to the "career management" guides thingie... but decided to stop there because a) I have a few things to do today and b) The tutorial is telling me to join a corporation and thought I should talk to one of you guys before that.

A few questions though... how crashy will it get if I play windowed? Is there anyway to configure the camera in a way that when I'm attacking something it doesn't go round and round and I lose sight of the target and eventually want to vomit?

My character's name is Kahyehha (fucking stupid name, I know, but I was palying around with phonograms and accidentally created it without finishing that.. oh well)... there's only one "server" (WoW equivalent at least) right?