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Disney, in its ravenous IP collecting frenzy, might be acquiring Hasbro. This means that they would control G.I.Joe, Transformers, Nerf, dungeons and Dragons, and Magic the Gathering. (Hasbro owns Wizards of the Coast, too.)

I don't know how I feel about this one. They are letting Marvel do its own thing in terms of comics and movies, but hands down orders to Pixar. It would very hard to make the G.I.Joe and Transformers movies worse, so that might improve. I don't see them messing with Magic, as it's very profitable and growing fast. I'd be disappointed that IDW would get screwed on the TF books, as I've enjoyed what they've done with them and the quality I've seen there.

Man, what isn't Disney going to snatch up?

Princess celestia is joining the Disney princesses?

Arcee is a Disney princess too?

"Don't you see, Arcee? The transformation was in you all along!"

Jeez, Disney is just the ravenous beast now.

And to think they we're in a bad way financially, what was it, 10 or so years ago?

Look at this gun, isn't it neat
Wouldn't you think my arsenal's complete
Wouldn't you think I'm the bot
The bot who has
Everything

Look at this trove
Weapons untold
How many blasters
Can one warehouse hold
Looking around here you'd think
Sure, she's got everything

I've got tires and axles aplenty
I've got alt forms and shielding galore
You want binary bonds?
I've got twenty
But who cares
No big deal
I want more

I want to be where the Autobots are
I want to see, want to see them fighting
Seeing the lasers and feeling the... what do you call it... oh, heat!

Flailing your legs you don't get too far
Wheels are required for spinning, drifting
Rolling along down a... what's that word again... street

Up where they fight, up where they die
Up where they kill Decepticons in the sky
Wandering free, wish I could be
Part of that war

What would I give if I could live out on the war field
What would I pay to spend a day shooting our foes
Bet you out there everyone knows
How to blast apart someone's force shield
Bright young robots
Who are good shots
Right on the nose

I'm ready to do what the other bots do
Join them in battle and get a kill count
Shoot some bad guys and see them all... what's the word... burn

When's it my turn
Wouldn't I love
Love to join in that war up above
Hope they agree
Wish I could be
Part of your war

First Marvel, then Star Wars, now Hasbro. Is Disney like, the Borg of entertainment companies? "Prepare to be assimilated...and make a Transformers Avengers cross-over movie."

...okay I was joking there but that is why they did that didn't they? That is going to happen, just wait I assure you .

Zappit said:

but hands down orders to Pixar.

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Because the guy in charge of Pixar has a firm grip on Disney. It's him telling himself what to do.

I wonder if they are diversifying because they know they aren't getting Congress to let them keep Mickey much longer. Then again, they could just be doing this because they want The Hub and plan to turn it into another Disney station.

I won't be happy with this merger unless they make a sequel to Beast Machines! Cos seriously, that show had some loose ends.

Edit: ALSO-who wants to bet what they buy out next? I'm betting Nintendo.

Yoshimickster said:

Edit: ALSO-who wants to bet what they buy out next? I'm betting Nintendo.

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A distinctly Japanese business with a proud history and current products selling well, sold off to an American company? That will happen approximately never.

Yeah,Nintendo is financialy so well off,that any amount that Disney can offer them will be laughed out the door.

Sega's more likely than Nintendo, though probably still unlikely.

Here's how well off Nintendo is right now. They lost money in their last quarter due to Wii sales all but drying up, they can apparently afford to lose that much money for the next 80 years before they would be in trouble.

Yeah, Nintendo would basically need to bomb the WiiU, have their headquarters burn to the ground, lose Miyamoto, AND be caught in a Yakuza scandal in order to come even close to the strife they'd need to suffer in order to close shop.

Capcom though? Capcom would sell in a heartbeat. All of their successful products are made overseas now anyway.

bhamv3 said:

Sega's more likely than Nintendo, though probably still unlikely.

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No wait, I change my bet to this! And if they make a new Sonic cartoon with Jaleel White, I will be aaaaaaaaaaaaaalls for it.

The more I think about it, the more I think that having MLP:FiM at the Disney parks would be awesome.

figmentPez said:

The more I think about it, the more I think that having MLP:FiM at the Disney parks would be awesome.

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I know right? And they all-ready had an episode based on Cinderella so it makes sense!

Yoshimickster said:

I know right? And they all-ready had an episode based on Cinderella so it makes sense!

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A glass horseshoe sounds like a bad idea.

Ugh, the MLP shit pairings with Disney are going to be even more obnoxious and not funny than the Star Wars ones.

Frank said:

Ugh, the MLP shit pairings with Disney are going to be even more obnoxious and not funny than the Star Wars ones.

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I want to see Figment and Spike working together to teach about imagination.

figmentPez said:

I want to see Figment and Spike working together to teach about imagination.

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Dude. Spike and Pete's Dragon.

Spike IS Pete's Dragon! I could see that as a modern remake...

The only reason Disney would want MLP is to make MLP the movie. You can make a small chunk of change on tv shows and toys, but there are big bucks to be had in a well executed animated feature, and the demographics are great for MLP right now.

If Disney keeps acquiring IP at this rate can a live action version of the Ultimate Showdown be far behind?

stienman said:

The only reason Disney would want MLP is to make MLP the movie. You can make a small chunk of change on tv shows and toys, but there are big bucks to be had in a well executed animated feature, and the demographics are great for MLP right now.

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I saw this in theaters, back when I was a young-un. I kinda want to see a Lauren Faust reimagining of the Smooze.

stienman said:

The only reason Disney would want MLP is to make MLP the movie. You can make a small chunk of change on tv shows and toys, but there are big bucks to be had in a well executed animated feature, and the demographics are great for MLP right now.

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It wouldn't be a theatrical release... it would probably be a string of direct-to-DVD movies. They'd keep the show running though... they finally learned their lesson with Kim Possible and Phineas & Ferb: It's worth to keep a wildly popular show in new episodes even if the merchandising isn't great because gets people to watch OTHER shows on your network.

If they could get D&D to make a real, working VTT, I'd be all for it.

Dave said:

If they could get D&D to make a real, working VTT, I'd be all for it.

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OOH! New Dungeons and Dragons cartoon!

Yoshimickster said:

OOH! New Dungeons and Dragons cartoon!

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NOOOOOOO! Good GOD, NO!

Dave said:

NOOOOOOO! Good GOD, NO!

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Oh yeah, I forgot it sucked(blame my nostalgia). And yet I still want a new one. Does that make me evil? Probably.

Man, it didn't suck. That old D&D cartoon was great.

It didn't? Now I'm confused. CURSE YOU MY AWFUL MEMORY!

Yoshimickster said:

It didn't? Now I'm confused. CURSE YOU MY AWFUL MEMORY!

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It was pretty awful, but that special kind of awful only it's time period could offer.

I loved that cartoon as a kid, I know a lot of other kids did too. It was responsible for a lot of today's adults even knowing what D&D is.

Actually, it makes me question why Hasbro hasn't already done some sort of new D&D thing for The Hub. You want new consumers for your floundering D&D products (I'm pretty sure Pathfinder is continuing to eat up the not growing marketplace)? Make new ones.

I remember seeing it on and off on Fox Kids when I was kid. I also remember severely wanting to beat the crap out of the shield guy. My Satan-STOP WHINING! Course I guess I'd whine too if I was thrown into a land of wonder and magic and...actually no I wouldn't. As I would've been twelve and would be killing to many goblins to care.

I wonder how many D&D campaigns had the magic bow written into it because everyone was a fan at one time.

Venger was the coolest looking villain. Also, what other cartoon had a freakin 5 headed dragon?

bhamv3 said:

AWESOME lyrics

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Okay, I'm not gonna lie: I just sang this entirely out loud and had a blast doing it.

...maybe I should record it?

ThatNickGuy said:

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Okay, I'm not gonna lie: I just sang this entirely out loud and had a blast doing it.

...maybe I should record it?

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Do it and I'll write another one for Make a Bot out of You.

"Let's get down to business
Kill Decepticons..."

bhamv3 said:

Do it and I'll write another one for Make a Bot out of You.

"Let's get down to business
Kill Decepticons..."

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YES YES YES YES YES! This! This should be a thing!

That is all...

Zappit said:

That is all...

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I don't get it.

That crossover might actually be possible soon.

figmentPez said:

I don't get it.

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The left planet is Unicron, a world eating Transformer and one of the two originals (the other being Primus, who's transformed state is Cybertron).

PS Unicron wins, Death Star becomes a light snack.

Edit: Fun trivia, the Unicron you see there was voiced by Orson Welles as his last movie before his death. He was so weak (and died a few days after his final voiceover session) that sound engineers had to mess with the recorded tracks to make them audible.

CynicismKills said:

The left planet is Unicron, a world eating Transformer and one of the two originals (the other being Primus, who's transformed state is Cybertron).

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Or if your following the cartoon's back-story, he was made by a monkey man at the beginning of time to eat the universe! He also made a pure energy version that he couldn't beat until Grimlock pointed out to just use the reverse switch...cartoons are WEIRD some times.

Yoshimickster said:

Or if your following the cartoon's back-story, he was made by a monkey man at the beginning of time to eat the universe! He also made a pure energy version that he couldn't beat until Grimlock pointed out to just use the reverse switch...cartoons are WEIRD some times.

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Which cartoon was this? Gen 1 never had him before the movie and never really explained much about him or Primus at all (and Unicron was nothing but a head for the couple other appearances he made). I haven't really watched anything past Beast Wars, and I don't think he was ever in that.

Edit: Scratch that, found it. Huh, didn't remember that, my knowledge of the final episodes is pretty fuzzy though.

Yeah, the Transformers origins are incredibly debatable. Does the show have the true origin? Does the original Marvel comics have the true canon? It be confusing.

Also, why the hell hasn't Hasbro made like a comic or show explaining what happened between Generation 1 and Beast Wars? That is one of the biggest plot-hole the metaseries has. If Disney does buy this, they need to make a show detailing what the hell happened between season 4 and Beast Wars dammit! Or a third Beast Wars series- I'M GOOD WITH EITHER!

It's also rumored that Leonard Nimoy filled in for Welles on some of the voice work, possibly after his death.

The comics are probably the closest thing to canon for Unicron's origin. Cybertron is actually the body of Primus, who sealed himself and Unicron, his opposite, within two planets. Billions of years later, they both discover how to reshape those forms. Primus creates the Transformers as an army to finish the fight against Unicron, but the civil war mucks that up. The Matrix is actually a piece of Primus' essence, which, when wielded by a good Transformer, can destroy Unicron.

As for Beast Wars, there's no connection. It's a separate series, with its own continuity. Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal are not the same character, and are not related in any way.

Teletran 1 has an entry on this. Basically...

- Autobots won the war and peace was established.
- The Maximal and Predacon offshots are created
- All the bullshit with Protoform X happens
- BW Megatron steals the Golden Disks, heads to Earth
- Optimus Primal and his crew are diverted from their deep space mission to stop them (they were supposed to dump Protoform X along the way)
-The Beast Wars happen
- On the way back to Cybertron, Megatron escapes the ship and gets to Cybertron a good while before they do
- Megatron launches the virus bomb, infects the planet and takes over
- Optimus' crew returns
- Beast Machines happens

It's all the same timeline as Transformers G1. Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal are two different characters, with Primal named after his predecessor like Megatron was.

What I always thought was weird was how Beast Wars had TWO characters named Silverbolt. Two completely different characters, on a fuzor the other a normal condor who could combine with the other members of the Pax Cybertrona.

Back to the ancient origins if were going by the cartoons, all Transformers are descendants of military androids(Decepticons) and service androids(Autobots) created by the evil Quintessons for their amusement. Over time they gained the ability to transform, aided by the Matrix of Leadership the former assistant to the creator of Unicron(theoretically Primus). Even after they drove off the Quintessons, the military androids had dreams of conquest and created the faction known as the Decepticons as well as their leader "Megatron" who would then fight a young autobot by the name of Orion Pax who would become one of the greatest Autobot leaders of all time "Optimus Prime".