[News] The USA Police State will never satisfy its lust for beating, gassing, and imprisoning minorities

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

One more quickly - a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr.

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Bowielee · Aug 14, 2014

PatrThom · Aug 14, 2014

Charlie, you make it sound like a police state would only be interested in beating/gassing/imprisoning minorities.

That's racist.

--Patrick

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

Bowielee said:
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wait, is any of the above not true? Other than the thread title which is, admittedly, my opinion[DOUBLEPOST=1407998910,1407998806][/DOUBLEPOST]

PatrThom said:
Charlie, you make it sound like a police state would only be interested in beating/gassing/imprisoning minorities.

That's racist.

--Patrick

I. uh. Yes. It is. I agree. Thanks.

Bowielee · Aug 14, 2014

Y'know Charlie, I know you're just a troll, so I shouldn't rise to the bait, but your shenanigans are just beyond the pale. YOU are making these issues into a joke, which completely devalues the actual struggles people are going through.

You sicken me, and I just wish you would fucking leave this board already.

Addendum: And keep this in mind. I've gone to bat for you on multiple occasions, but man... you are a cancer to your own cause. Though, I don't truly believe that you have a cause, just an itch to piss people off.

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

This is another good thing I read on the subject: http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/08/things-stop-distracted-black-person-gets-murdered-police/[DOUBLEPOST=1408000428,1408000259][/DOUBLEPOST]

MLK said:
the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;"

DarkAudit · Aug 14, 2014

Reported. Not for Charlie being Charlie, but because this conversation has been going on for days in the sticky thread.

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

Eh I disagree, I think this merits its own thread now. I can also keep bumping it every so often when there's an especially egregious piece of police brutality (this won't be the last)

ThatNickGuy · Aug 14, 2014

I think it merits its own thread. Just not with this kind of presentation, because the way Charlie is presenting will just further piss people off and stray away from the legitimate discussion to be had about all this. Because Charlie.

It may be a race issue, but it's also largely just a human rights issue. Just from some of the live videos last night, we saw dozens of rights being trounced by the Ferguson police.

sixpackshaker · Aug 14, 2014

At least here we have proof that the USofA is not a Police State.

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

Looters are opportunists and show up everywhere. But to focus on that is wrong. The looters aren't the ones who are protesting. that's like saying all fans of sports team X are bad because some people used the games as an excuse to loot.

Straw man.

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

stienman said:
The looters are the ones causing the police to attend every protest. No looting = peaceful protests with no police intervention.

But I got my answer: This is not the correct thread to talk about the looting and arson that's occurring in conjunction with the "peaceful" demonstrations.

So it's the looter's fault. Not the over-militarization or overreaction of police? Assaulting and detaining members of the press is because of the looters? A no-fly zone to stop news helicopters is because of the looters?

I'm not saying this is not the place to discuss it, I'm telling you you're wrong.

AshburnerX · Aug 14, 2014

Well at least SOMETHING is happening in Ferguson: Missouri Governor says St. Louis PD to be relieved of command, handing over activities to State Police and Federal Authorities.

So just as long as the ATF stays far, FAR away from this... I think things are going to calm down. That said, unless several high ranking members of the St. Louis eat their badges and lose their benefits, we're just going to have another riot a year from now.

DarkAudit · Aug 14, 2014

Dave said:
So it's the looter's fault. Not the over-militarization or overreaction of police? Assaulting and detaining members of the press is because of the looters? A no-fly zone to stop news helicopters is because of the looters?

I'm not saying this is not the place to discuss it, I'm telling you you're wrong.

That argument also destroys the position of the rabid 2nd amendmenters. The police are doing exactly what you claim to be arming yourselves for, but you use the looters as an excuse to come down on the side of the big, bad gubmint?

If I were Charlie, I'd say it was because y'all's racist.

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

Of course you want to talk about the looting. Steinman, you are the platonic ideal of the white moderate in MLK's quote earlier.

http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/08/things-stop-distracted-black-person-gets-murdered-police/

see #1 and 2

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

As long as you don't touch them or threaten them, you can yell all you want. It's perfectly legal.

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

False. If you are in a public area (unless being detained for a crime), you can go where ever you want. They aren't kings. They are OUR employees.

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

Define "easy reach". You sound like I'm chest bumping him.

I'm saying if I'm on a sidewalk and a cop says, "Get off the sidewalk." unless there's a crime being committed, I don't have to do it.

GasBandit · Aug 14, 2014

It's clear that there needs to be indictments handed down on many FPD officers, as well as those within and outside the department who give the orders. If the state stepping in doesn't fix the abuses, it'll be proof that the "rabid 2nd amendmenters" that DA hates more than his gout and piles combined were right all along.

AshburnerX · Aug 14, 2014

Yeah... the police DO have the authority to shut down areas or to obstruct your path, but it has to be approved by a judge I think, unless it's an emergency.

Dave · Aug 14, 2014

AshburnerX said:
Yeah... the police DO have the authority to shut down areas or to obstruct your path, but it has to be approved by a judge I think, unless it's an emergency.

And there has to be a crime being committed. During protests there is not (well, usually).

The fact that cops think they can do these things and that people let them are part of the problems we are having today.

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

This quibbling is missing the most important detail that another young black person has been killed by police. I left it out of the thread title to seem slightly less inflammatory.

Terrik · Aug 14, 2014

Dave said:
And there has to be a crime being committed. During protests there is not (well, usually).

The fact that cops think they can do these things and that people let them are part of the problems we are having today.

People let them because there is greater risk than reward. I wouldn't want something like that on a criminal record. I don't want to have to go to court to explain why I decided not to get off a sidewalk at an officer's direction--even if I think the officer was in the wrong. It's just easier to "get off the sidewalk" than not to, and I think that's why most people do it.

Covar · Aug 14, 2014

GasBandit said:
It's clear that there needs to be indictments handed down on many FPD officers, as well as those within and outside the department who give the orders. If the state stepping in doesn't fix the abuses, it'll be proof that the "rabid 2nd amendmenters" that DA hates more than his gout and piles combined were right all along.

I don't think DA would be satisfied until you start shooting cops.

DarkAudit · Aug 14, 2014

Covar said:
I don't think DA would be satisfied until you start shooting cops.

He hasn't expressed his intent in so many words, but obvious the desire is there. Must be waiting until they come for him specifically. The rest of us poor dumb bastards can just suck eggs.

Charlie Don't Surf · Aug 14, 2014

Remember when a bunch of white people in Nevada pointed guns at federal officers and nothing happened? over property rights?

But a group of black people want justice for someone actually dying, and you get... well, this.

GasBandit · Aug 14, 2014

DarkAudit said:
He hasn't expressed his intent in so many words, but obvious the desire is there. Must be waiting until they come for him specifically. The rest of us poor dumb bastards can just suck eggs.

If you're not willing to stand up for yourself, and furthermore want my constitutionally protected right to stand up for myself to be taken away, why should I stand up for you?

DarkAudit · Aug 14, 2014

GasBandit said:
If you're not willing to stand up for yourself, and furthermore want my constitutionally protected right to stand up for myself to be taken away, why should I stand up for you?

Well, it's clear you aren't standing up for the people of Ferguson, or the people trying to report on what's happening. But go ahead, keep making it all about us idiots on the internet instead.

Covar · Aug 14, 2014

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Remember when a bunch of white people in Nevada pointed guns at federal officers and nothing happened? over property rights?

But a group of black people want justice for someone actually dying, and you get... well, this.

So what you're saying is that the local police in NV handled the situation appropriately and the local police in MO should have emulated their approach?

Covar · Aug 14, 2014

DarkAudit said:
Well, it's clear you aren't standing up for the people of Ferguson, or the people trying to report on what's happening. But go ahead, keep making it all about us idiots on the internet instead.

I don't see you flying to MO to do anything about it.

DarkAudit · Aug 14, 2014

Covar said:
I don't see you flying to MO to do anything about it.

Nor I you.

GasBandit · Aug 14, 2014

DarkAudit said:
Well, it's clear you aren't standing up for the people of Ferguson, or the people trying to report on what's happening. But go ahead, keep making it all about us idiots on the internet instead.

I'm literally learning more by the minute what's happening in Ferguson. I'm not a professional stander-upper-for-missouri, but I do know that Missouri has even more lax gun laws than Texas does (it is an open carry state).. so if they haven't started shooting cops yet, maybe there's a reason for it.

See, unlike progressives, I don't claim to know everything and what's best for someone else a thousand miles away. Clearly the are abuses that need to be addressed, but as steinman says, maybe there's less oppression than vines and tweets make out, given that the Missouri population has no problem arming itself.

The 2nd amendment is the last resort, not the first resort. If you knew anything about the constitution, you'd know that.

Covar · Aug 14, 2014

The difference is I'm not making a big stink about people, just calling you out on it.

GasBandit · Aug 14, 2014

stienman said:
Aren't you the one that dragged the second amendment into this situation, specifically calling Gasbandit out to justify his position in light of this event? Has he not explained how it doesn't apply to this situation sufficiently? Why are you still attacking him as though this event is somehow his responsibility?

Because he's got the world's biggest stick in his craw.