Norway blast
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Someone has also opened fire at a youth camp. The gunman was dressed as a policeman and "several people have been shot".
Norway's 9/11. I can hear it now.
Added at: 11:46
There's a guy on Reddit who is giving live updates on this. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/iwsj7/huge_explosion_in_downtown_oslo/
Here's what he has so far:
The fuck is this? Any possibility at all of accident? When I heard it I thought it was thunder or an accident at the building site next to me.
edit: Seems that the newspaper VG was hardest hit. It lies close the majority of the government buildings in oslo.
edit2: Lots of shattered windows on a government building
edit3: smoke cloud in the city centre
edit4: Rain until midday sunday and then this, great weekend.
edit5: Live Norwegian News, via Swedish Television in order to get around norway-only block.
edit6: Picture of damage
edit7: Supposedly there was a second explosion 30 minutes after the first (via google-translate), I didn't hear the second one. TV is saying the explosion was from the 4th story.
edit8: BBC article on event
edit9: Supposedly there was a second explosion a few hundred meters away.
edit10: Politician who was close by at time of explosion said he noticed a strong smell of explosives/gunpowder.
edit11: Lots of pictures from state TV's reporting.
edit12: Loop of damage being shown on state TV shows a car that is seriously damaged and flipped.
edit13: Experts on norwegian TV says that it's the political heart of Norway that is damaged. But it occurred on a friday during summer vacation. I just feel that they are already sensationalizing it, but that's just my opinion.
edit14: One person confirmed dead.
edit15: Article in Norwegian with pictures of damage to main government office building
edit16: BBC News stream, Al Jazeera stream
edit17: BBC just zoomed in on smoke, looked like a cloud to me
edit18: 7 patients have arrived at main hospital (ullevål). Main hospital in emergency mode (calling in more employees, making more room for patients).
edit19: I'm starting to doubt edit7 (that there was a second explosion further away), no follow up on the news from it.
edit20: VG confirms that several people are dead
edit21: Dagbladet says police confirm it was a bomb
edit22: Probably a large car-bomb
edit23: Press confrence by Oslo-police in 10 minutes, I'll update. Fire department have stopped their activity, seems like fires are out.
edit24: 9 People now in the hospital, still "several" people dead. Large portions of city centre closed of due to fears that there are more bombs.
edit25: Google Streetview before the explosion, this is the focus of several loops running on the news. Picture of same place after explosion
edit26: Press conference was short and improvised. Main target was oil and energy department. He confirmed that the prime minister was safe. He would not comment on the oil or justice minister, and said "We know that people are injured, but not who"
edit27: Several cars being towed and pushed away from the scene, one car significantly more damaged than others. Extremely likely it was a car bomb but no confirmation yet. More official press-conference soon.
edit28: Several large commuter hotspots closed. Oslo airport working as normal, but heightened security with real police in addition to the normal G4S posers. From the hospital 10 patients, 9 seriously hurt. They think all of the most seriously injured are there. They can not comment on deaths, since deaths do not arrive at the hospital. Oslo Police press conference soon.
edit29: Video of damage Watch for that car around 0:59
edit30: Paraphrased the press confrence: Explosion 15:26, two confirmed dead, 15 injured. Police have secured the scene, technicians (?), bomb squad, firemen at scene. All available police at work, policemen have their vacation cut short. Police urge the public to leave Oslo City until police have full control over situation. Police do not have a motive to go by despite all of the speculation. One or more bombs, no warning before attack, possibility of car used [I've been thinking this for a long time, no confirmation of car bomb], TV2 News station evacuated due to package. Everything that the police considers a target is evacuated. Too early to consider link to terror-suspect-case earlier in the year. 8001502800 is the hot-line for victims and their families etc. Police want tips, I missed the number. Police urge people to go home and avoid large crowds [I think it's due to fear of other bombs] The situation is not over, and the police are considering it as current/happening now That's basically it. Another press conference in about an hours. edit30b: Via nycerene: >It's (+47) 815 02 800, and the number for witnesses is (+47) 22 66 99 66.
edit31: Also today, a shooting at a summercamp for the youth section of the Labour party. Large strain on the police departments of south-eastern norway today. The police was not willing to comment on a link beyond that.Aftenposten via Google-Translate
edit32: Interview with PM: thinking about victims copypasta, in contact with defence minister, justice minister. the cabinets emergency council is assembeled. Not willing to speculate on motive, he will update as soon as he knows more. [So the justice and defence minister are also confirmed alive, he did not comment on oil minister.]
edit33: More info on the summer camp shooting, several people injured. Speculation that it is a coordinated attack. Little information from the camp. The camp is the annual Youth Labour Party summercamp. The Labour party is the major player in the coalation government of norway which has been in power since 2005 (?). The other two parties are SP (centrist farmer party) and SV (leftist socialist).
Police confirm at least one shot, it was a man dressed as a police officer that shot.
edit34: Wikipedia article on the explosion, thanks to Feuraeu
edit35: Mini press conference by police. *There are dead people in the buildings, they have been declared dead and left by rescue personnel who are looking for the living. No comment on how many people are dead. Few leads in the rest of the city center, nothing they want to comment on. No longer fear of more explosions by police. *
edit36: Regarding the shooting, there is a police helicopter over the island where the camp is. Many campers evacuated, many people ran to swim away. A boat with a swat team recently left in a boat towards the islands. Shots still heard from the island. Reporter: There's a little war out there
Norway's 9/11. I can hear it now.
Added at: 11:46
There's a guy on Reddit who is giving live updates on this. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/iwsj7/huge_explosion_in_downtown_oslo/
Here's what he has so far:
The fuck is this? Any possibility at all of accident? When I heard it I thought it was thunder or an accident at the building site next to me.
edit: Seems that the newspaper VG was hardest hit. It lies close the majority of the government buildings in oslo.
edit2: Lots of shattered windows on a government building
edit3: smoke cloud in the city centre
edit4: Rain until midday sunday and then this, great weekend.
edit5: Live Norwegian News, via Swedish Television in order to get around norway-only block.
edit6: Picture of damage
edit7: Supposedly there was a second explosion 30 minutes after the first (via google-translate), I didn't hear the second one. TV is saying the explosion was from the 4th story.
edit8: BBC article on event
edit9: Supposedly there was a second explosion a few hundred meters away.
edit10: Politician who was close by at time of explosion said he noticed a strong smell of explosives/gunpowder.
edit11: Lots of pictures from state TV's reporting.
edit12: Loop of damage being shown on state TV shows a car that is seriously damaged and flipped.
edit13: Experts on norwegian TV says that it's the political heart of Norway that is damaged. But it occurred on a friday during summer vacation. I just feel that they are already sensationalizing it, but that's just my opinion.
edit14: One person confirmed dead.
edit15: Article in Norwegian with pictures of damage to main government office building
edit16: BBC News stream, Al Jazeera stream
edit17: BBC just zoomed in on smoke, looked like a cloud to me
edit18: 7 patients have arrived at main hospital (ullevål). Main hospital in emergency mode (calling in more employees, making more room for patients).
edit19: I'm starting to doubt edit7 (that there was a second explosion further away), no follow up on the news from it.
edit20: VG confirms that several people are dead
edit21: Dagbladet says police confirm it was a bomb
edit22: Probably a large car-bomb
edit23: Press confrence by Oslo-police in 10 minutes, I'll update. Fire department have stopped their activity, seems like fires are out.
edit24: 9 People now in the hospital, still "several" people dead. Large portions of city centre closed of due to fears that there are more bombs.
edit25: Google Streetview before the explosion, this is the focus of several loops running on the news. Picture of same place after explosion
edit26: Press conference was short and improvised. Main target was oil and energy department. He confirmed that the prime minister was safe. He would not comment on the oil or justice minister, and said "We know that people are injured, but not who"
edit27: Several cars being towed and pushed away from the scene, one car significantly more damaged than others. Extremely likely it was a car bomb but no confirmation yet. More official press-conference soon.
edit28: Several large commuter hotspots closed. Oslo airport working as normal, but heightened security with real police in addition to the normal G4S posers. From the hospital 10 patients, 9 seriously hurt. They think all of the most seriously injured are there. They can not comment on deaths, since deaths do not arrive at the hospital. Oslo Police press conference soon.
edit29: Video of damage Watch for that car around 0:59
edit30: Paraphrased the press confrence: Explosion 15:26, two confirmed dead, 15 injured. Police have secured the scene, technicians (?), bomb squad, firemen at scene. All available police at work, policemen have their vacation cut short. Police urge the public to leave Oslo City until police have full control over situation. Police do not have a motive to go by despite all of the speculation. One or more bombs, no warning before attack, possibility of car used [I've been thinking this for a long time, no confirmation of car bomb], TV2 News station evacuated due to package. Everything that the police considers a target is evacuated. Too early to consider link to terror-suspect-case earlier in the year. 8001502800 is the hot-line for victims and their families etc. Police want tips, I missed the number. Police urge people to go home and avoid large crowds [I think it's due to fear of other bombs] The situation is not over, and the police are considering it as current/happening now That's basically it. Another press conference in about an hours. edit30b: Via nycerene: >It's (+47) 815 02 800, and the number for witnesses is (+47) 22 66 99 66.
edit31: Also today, a shooting at a summercamp for the youth section of the Labour party. Large strain on the police departments of south-eastern norway today. The police was not willing to comment on a link beyond that.Aftenposten via Google-Translate
edit32: Interview with PM: thinking about victims copypasta, in contact with defence minister, justice minister. the cabinets emergency council is assembeled. Not willing to speculate on motive, he will update as soon as he knows more. [So the justice and defence minister are also confirmed alive, he did not comment on oil minister.]
edit33: More info on the summer camp shooting, several people injured. Speculation that it is a coordinated attack. Little information from the camp. The camp is the annual Youth Labour Party summercamp. The Labour party is the major player in the coalation government of norway which has been in power since 2005 (?). The other two parties are SP (centrist farmer party) and SV (leftist socialist).
Police confirm at least one shot, it was a man dressed as a police officer that shot.
edit34: Wikipedia article on the explosion, thanks to Feuraeu
edit35: Mini press conference by police. *There are dead people in the buildings, they have been declared dead and left by rescue personnel who are looking for the living. No comment on how many people are dead. Few leads in the rest of the city center, nothing they want to comment on. No longer fear of more explosions by police. *
edit36: Regarding the shooting, there is a police helicopter over the island where the camp is. Many campers evacuated, many people ran to swim away. A boat with a swat team recently left in a boat towards the islands. Shots still heard from the island. Reporter: There's a little war out there
One of the safest places in the world in my eyes. I wonder which Amish sect is going to take responsibility for this.
What?
North_Ranger
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Oh bloody hell...
I'm torn between shock for what has happened and disgust over the fact that there's bound to be people who are just waiting to use this as an excuse in their own political agenda.
Yes, I'm a cynic.
But to any Norwegian Halforumites about... Stay strong, lads and lasses.
I'm torn between shock for what has happened and disgust over the fact that there's bound to be people who are just waiting to use this as an excuse in their own political agenda.
Yes, I'm a cynic.
But to any Norwegian Halforumites about... Stay strong, lads and lasses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=2&hp
A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referred to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.
Bolded for emphasis. I suspect they're full of shit but you never know.
I saw some tweeted photos. There are definitely bodies in the water, assuming the photos aren't fakes or from another incident.
It's been over 5 years, but sometimes revenge takes that long:
Cartoons in Danish and Norwegian newspapers depicting the prophet Muhammad in unflattering poses... (circa 2006)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001316.html
It started in September 2005 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy and spread through Europe.
Further, the Danish paper that printed it first issued an apology for offense, while still asserting the right to publish the drawings. It doesn't appear that those newspapers that reprinted them elsewhere, including Norway, issued any sort of apology, and in fact they published them intentionally to assert their right of free speech in publishing potentially offensive material.
There was also an arrest associated with an attack planned in Norway:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllan...qi_terrorist_in_Norway_suspect_planned_attack
Also, wrong, as extremists are not a sect...
What?
That's....generally exactly what they are.
No, a sect really needs to have some new beliefs/philosophy... not simply take the normal beliefs to ridiculous extremes...
EDIT: I meant it in the way that most of the Muslim extremists are not a Muslim sect, like say the Branch Davidians where an extremist sect, but they're more along the lines of a catholic that thinks killing non-christians (crusades style) is fine...
That's what she said.
Sounds like TNG's prom night, amirite?
These Islamist terror groups will claim to have dealt it no matter who smelt it.
Sky news reporting man in custody is a right-wing nut, not Muslim.
Sky news reporting man in custody is a right-wing nut, not Muslim.
Dave
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The blast was nothing more than a diversion and excuse to get on the island, it seems. This guy had it all worked out. He called the kids over to him to give them information about the bombing. Since he was dressed as a policeman they came willingly. Then he opened fire on them with automatic weapons, going first for those on land and then picking off those who tried to swim away.
The camp had kids ages 14-18, boys and girls.
The camp had kids ages 14-18, boys and girls.
Jesus... this dude had best get the utmost maximum that Norway can provide...
I think Life is the most any EU country can give.
Ugh. He decided the best way to politically ruin a party was to destroy a portion of its next generation?
80 people is not insignificant in a country with only 5 million citizens. Scale it up to the US population (one death per 62,500 people) and you reach 5,000 - this is more per-capita deaths per terrorist act than our own 9/11. Not only that, but these were youth - as bad as 9/11 was, we would have been so much more incensed if they had succeeded in killing 3,000 high school students.
Unfortunately Norway doesn't have the death penalty, although they are, to some degree, on the fence about it. They fought against a European-wide ban on the death penalty, and 1 in 4 Norwegians think the death penalty is a reasonable punishment for the most egregious crimes.
The worst he can get is life in prison, and I see no reason why he won't get it.
80 people is not insignificant in a country with only 5 million citizens. Scale it up to the US population (one death per 62,500 people) and you reach 5,000 - this is more per-capita deaths per terrorist act than our own 9/11. Not only that, but these were youth - as bad as 9/11 was, we would have been so much more incensed if they had succeeded in killing 3,000 high school students.
Unfortunately Norway doesn't have the death penalty, although they are, to some degree, on the fence about it. They fought against a European-wide ban on the death penalty, and 1 in 4 Norwegians think the death penalty is a reasonable punishment for the most egregious crimes.
The worst he can get is life in prison, and I see no reason why he won't get it.
Hopefully for each count.
Leaks suggest his name is Anders Behring Breivik. A google search shows a lot of people have already done a lot of research on him. Interestingly he only started a facebook and twitter page about a month ago
Added at: 01:23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway
That's very interesting.
Kill someone, get out as soon as 7 years later. Your life is only worth 7 years of imprisonment, should somone get pissed at you.
Added at: 01:23
Oh wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway
That's very interesting.
Kill someone, get out as soon as 7 years later. Your life is only worth 7 years of imprisonment, should somone get pissed at you.
Yes, the first world is quite civilized compared to the United States and the rest of the third-world.
I wonder if any of my facebook friends blaming this on Al Queda will even bother posting a mea culpa.
North_Ranger
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Huh... that's a kick to the teeth for some people. The Norwegian police refuses to comment on any political sympathies of Breivik (the local media called him "a right-wing extremist"), but they do mention him being a "Christian extremist". I'd give you the link, but the article's in Finnish...
And yes, they're going for the 21-year sentence, no question about it.
Added at: 11:48
Oh crap... He plays World of Warcraft, and watches True Blood and Dexter (again, Finnish article).
And yes, they're going for the 21-year sentence, no question about it.
Added at: 11:48
Oh crap... He plays World of Warcraft, and watches True Blood and Dexter (again, Finnish article).
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