[Movies] Avengers: Endgame Spoilers Thread

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All right, I think I can share this. I have not seen A:E (nor any of the other MCU films, TBH), but what I've heard about Endgame has made me realize why I really stopped following Marvel Comics back in the 1990's.

The way Marvel deals with multiverses and Alternate Timelines makes DC's Crisis on Alternate Earths look positively sane by comparison. I just recall all the things with the X-Men and how things got so out of hand you forgot what the team looked like this month, and I suddenly realized that this was exactly what they were doing in the MCU.

The more you mess with timelines, the more unwatchable/unreadable a universe becomes. The only fictional franchise where it's worked is the one that intentionally hand-waves it away with a flick of a sonic screwdriver and a whirr of the TARDIS. Not even Star Trek does it well (oh, hai, Discovery!).

Marvel Comics FUBAR'ed the comics up with alternate universes and timelines. Doing that to resolve the Ultimate Bad Ending issue makes it head-bangingly frustrating.

Just my $0.02.

P.S. - Not planning on watching A:E, though I might rent the original Iron Man just to see Downey at the beginning of this long ride.
They really don't do any of that until this final movie, and even then only a little
 
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It's still up in the air if there really were alternate timeliness. The screenwriters and the directors have already contradicted each other on how the time travel worked and whether time lines spun off from it.

The new spider man movie hints a possible multiverse but don't forget Mysterio is in it. Could all be a huge illusion. We will have to wait and see how much they go with multiverse arcs.
 
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I really enjoy this series.

Seriously though, if Tony died due to a burst of gamma radiation, that makes his death even more depressing for me. He might as well have already been dead when he snapped, because the radiation poisoning would have meant his mind was lost and his body was merely catching up.
 
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For the first little bit of the movie I had to keep telling myself not to care that Thanos's whole plan sounded pointless.

I mean, Earth's human population doubles rather rapidly. We'd be back to pre-Snap numbers in something like fifty years, maybe a whole lot faster because we have the physical infrastructure already in place to double, and there's bound to be a baby boom in the wake of the devastation . . . and then of course, Earth was as fucked up back when our population was half the size it is now. How can Thanos think he accomplished anything useful?

So, I ignored that question and just enjoyed the movie.
 
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For the first little bit of the movie I had to keep telling myself not to care that Thanos's whole plan sounded pointless.

I mean, Earth's human population doubles rather rapidly. We'd be back to pre-Snap numbers in something like fifty years, maybe a whole lot faster because we have the physical infrastructure already in place to double, and there's bound to be a baby boom in the wake of the devastation . . . and then of course, Earth was as fucked up back when our population was half the size it is now. How can Thanos think he accomplished anything useful?

So, I ignored that question and just enjoyed the movie.
This might be a hot take, but Thanos never cared if his plan really worked. He gave away what he really cared about when the others confronted him at the start of the climax, when he said how he'd do it differently. "A grateful universe." He wants to be right, therefore he is, and what bothers him is that everyone doesn't recognize it.
 
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Both those answers are good enough for me. As I said, I just forced myself to ignore the question. I also readily ignored any question that came up about the time travel stuff because, yeah, you know.
 
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For the first little bit of the movie I had to keep telling myself not to care that Thanos's whole plan sounded pointless.

I mean, Earth's human population doubles rather rapidly. We'd be back to pre-Snap numbers in something like fifty years, maybe a whole lot faster because we have the physical infrastructure already in place to double, and there's bound to be a baby boom in the wake of the devastation . . . and then of course, Earth was as fucked up back when our population was half the size it is now. How can Thanos think he accomplished anything useful?

So, I ignored that question and just enjoyed the movie.
In the comics, Thanos was trying to impress Lady Death, which makes a lot more sense than the movie reasoning.
(I just did a look up. Removing half the earth's population takes us back to about 1970. Not really all that big of a change, honestly)
 
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OK, I know the song and the clip, but really, a reference to a single sentence in a 20-something year old song, that, even explained, seems at most tangential? Yeah, sorry, didn't catch that :p
 

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OK, I know the song and the clip, but really, a reference to a single sentence in a 20-something year old song, that, even explained, seems at most tangential? Yeah, sorry, didn't catch that :p
40 year old song, actually :p but I guarantee you, 99% of Americans who were cognizant in the 80s and had access to the radio know every word and note to that song, whether they want to or not.
 

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40 year old song, actually :p but I guarantee you, 99% of Americans who were cognizant in the 80s and had access to the radio know every word and note to that song, whether they want to or not.
Nope, not I. I'd never even seen the music video before now, and I certainly didn't remember it having any sort of story in the song.
 

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Nope, not I. I'd never even seen the music video before now, and I certainly didn't remember it having any sort of story in the song.
Well, 1% of the population still leaves out a couple million, after all.
 
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Wow, I didn't know any of that. That's rough.
When I was first learning tinwhistle, I wanted some easy to digest music, so my spouse gave me some girl scout songs to learn. I got to the Kookaburra song and went "heeeeey..."
You and basically anybody in Australia who learned the Recorder, or similar woodwind.

TLDR for people who didn't read the article:

The lady who wrote it in the 1930s basically let anybody and everybody use it who wanted, without fee or even notice, apparently.

That didn't stop a fuckstick sleazebag record label from buying it from her estate when she died in 1988 (for the whopping price of $6100) and sit on it until 2007, then try to sue Men at Work for 60% of all the money they ever made from the song. The stress from the lawsuit contributed to the death of the band's drummer and the singer's father, and racked up 4.5 million dollars in legal fees. The courts eventually decided the label was owed about $100,000 (5% of the royalties from 2003 forward, as apparently there's a statute of limitations on this sort of thing in Australia).
 
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Aww. I saw a GasBandit post in this thread and thought it was going to be about the Thanos Bikini.
...yes it's exactly what it sounds like, and no you shouldn't probably click on it if you're at work or possibly if you are currently drinking anything.

--Patrick
 
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