[News] Obama: "I think same sex couples should be able to get married"
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That's Romney's stance. Even repeated it in response to this news.
BananaHands
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So, you're saying that gay marriage will lead to Civil War 2?
Legally, maybe. A lot of states are going to try and claim it's a state's rights issue if the Federal Government declares it legal, which means it'll go to the Supreme Court.
BananaHands
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GasBandit
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Some people are starting to ask other questions... like why did Obama say "Should be able to" instead of "have a right to." Also, they're wondering why he took this position immediately after the North Carolina vote that banned gay marriage in that state instead of before it... implying that rather than expend his own political capital to actually help the cause, he'd rather harvest more political capital from a discouraged public immediately after a setback.
I disagree completely GasB. As a "political move" it was very stupid. He didn't "gain" a single voter from this.
The majority of "gay marriage supporters" were already on the Obama vote train. However, there were people who were going to vote Obama, who are now very turned off by this news and while they may not vote for Romney, they may not vote at all.
The majority of "gay marriage supporters" were already on the Obama vote train. However, there were people who were going to vote Obama, who are now very turned off by this news and while they may not vote for Romney, they may not vote at all.
GasBandit
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I'm not so sure this is true. Polling indicates 53% of americans are in favor of gay marriage rights. That's a lot more than there are self-identifying democrats. Plus, it gives the media something to run with and ignore unemployment figures.
You're right, it also includes Republicans that were going to vote for Obama. This "cause" alone did not gain him a single voter or let me reword it. He definitely lost alot more supporters than gained. As there are alot more anti-gay voters that were in his voting bracket than pro-gay voters that weren't.
GasBandit
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... So you're saying it's not unheard of for even a republican to decide to vote for Obama, but that this wouldn't help any fence-sitters (not just republicans, but independents as well), decide to vote for Obama?
I'd also say that if gay marriage was the issue that made somebody definitely not want to support Obama here, they probably weren't going to vote for him in the first place. Of course, there's no way to quantify any of either of our statements currently. We'll just have to wait until next week and see who's crowing about a bump in the polls -Romney or Obama.
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SeraRelm
I've some friends in NC who were doing their damnedest to get people to go out and vote on the Amendment 1 issue, but unfortunately you can only do so much and only 21% of the registered voters even voted. It's still a mess.
I am rather curious how visible the amendment was in the state. Did ads talking about it target mostly conservative neighborhoods? Did the majority of the state only find out about it a week before the vote?
Either way this whole thing makes me so angry. Every time I feel we take a step forward towards progress, another mob of idiots take us another step back. I can't believe other states are already trying the same thing.
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SeraRelm
It's frustrating to say the least, but I'm used to the one step forward, one step back antics. That's not to say I'm accepting of it, mind you. There's been talk of ballot mishandling in a lot of locations, like people who were legally allowed to vote on the issue in some locations were given ballots that did not offer the option to vote (IE: the ones for 17 year old voters etc). I can't offer any validity one way or the other on it, but it's something to keep an eye on.
Still, this is the Obama's War on Marriage thread, not the NC Amendment Catastrophe thread.
Still, this is the Obama's War on Marriage thread, not the NC Amendment Catastrophe thread.
GasBandit
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GasBandit
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Meanwhile, in Nebraska...
Hilights-
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- “P- E- N- I- S goes into the anus to rupture intestines. The more a man does this the more he’ll be a fatality or a homicide…”
- “A huge percent of gay men in school grounds molest boys, partly because they don’t have AIDS yet…”
- “Hillary Clinton’s roommate four years in college was a gay woman. To avoid going gay like Clinton did, college students need single rooms and single gender dorms… A college woman is seduced with illegal Rohypnol to go gay.”
- “Candida fungus grows hugely on a corpse. AIDS is a candida fungus disease…”
- “Gays can transform to be celibate to live to be 80 years old.”
- “Jesus was kissed by Judas, a homo, who tried to sabotage Jesus’ kind ideas. Do you choose Jesus, a celibate, or Judas, a homo? You have to choose!”
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makare
Well, it's Nebraska...
where the men are men, and the sheep are nervous.
That guy in the background was hilarious. Helped keep my rage in check listening to the quack.
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makare
So penis is a bad word but anus is not.
Interesting.
Interesting.
I thought I'd just leave this here.
Also, http://think-progress.tumblr.com/post/22691147682/the-last-time-north-carolina-amended-their
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