GasBandit
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/facepalm
NO.
Gasbandit used himself being put in charge of the political subforum as an example of a bad thing. Clearly I've been remiss in my duties if that isn't immediately apparent.
[Rant] Need a place to post concerns/complaints
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NO.
Gasbandit used himself being put in charge of the political subforum as an example of a bad thing. Clearly I've been remiss in my duties if that isn't immediately apparent.
BananaHands
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Dave
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Jay, please reread the FIRST POST in this thread. Pez did not post anything new. But nice try. I know what you're trying to do. Stop it.
As to the rest, the Kags thread should have been handled differently, I totally agree. But the only reason I think this is because Kags herself was in the thread and could Report/complain about content if it bothered her. I also think that Pez is taking it to the next level with the way he handles things. Starting out a PM with the subject "Don't Push Me" is not conducive to an adult conversation, no matter what the contents of the message say. As his response to Vrii? Oi. I thought I'd addressed the issues in the first post I made in this thread, but people are still continuing.
And now there's people following him around doing shit just to provoke him. Chippy had a couple posts removed BY ME and then continued. So he's gone for 24 hours. So what did he do then? Posted as a guest and continued his shit. So now it's a week and I had to suspend Guest posting. Because of one person acting like an asshole.
I've been through that thread a couple times and Adam made the first salvo. Pez then answered using the aforementioned "Don't Push Me", which was a terrible reaction to have. But even though that happened, I still think Pez has the right idea about the cosplay sub. The rules he posted (after the fact) are pretty spot on and are those which I totally agree. That doesn't absolve him from escalating the situation when it didn't need to be, but right now I'm trying to play cleanup and exercise some preventive steps.
First, I'm not talking about the warnings that were given. I only talked about Chippy because it needed to be put out there as to why Guest posting (which has been great and I love it!) has been temporarily suspended. If you think I'm going to go around and publicly shame people you're going to be sorely disappointed. Praise in public, punish in private.
Second, Pez can read and he knows exactly how I feel about the situation. He also knows that I'm not going to make snap decisions in the heat of the moment and that I'm going to have his back if he deserves it. What happened yesterday is not enough to take away his subforum, no matter how much his style differs from how you think it should be run.
Third, I have removed the "Really, REALLY?!?" thing. I left "Disagree" in there but that's considered a neutral rating. I know that's a small thing, but the constant thread stalking by multiple people - including Pez - is frickin' annoying. The biggest issue is that it's spread so far around the boards that it's very, very difficult to tell who did what first to whom. It's like football. I could punish it when I see it but that's usually not the one who deserves it. I don't want to punish someone for forum self defense.
Fourth, I think Vrii is right that Pez's "Final Thoughts" is not exactly conducive to active participation. I will be addressing this with him directly. Vrii is spot on when it comes across like he's "taking the ball and going home" - sorry, Pez. I realize the boards will stay open so the analogy doesn't quite work out, but it does come across like that.
In the end, everyone calm down, let us talk about stuff (and that means both everyone in this thread as well as the mods in the mod forum) and then we'll figure something out. But we're not going to make a snap decision based on the posts of a few vocal users on either side of the issue.
And GasBandit , I know what you meant. But the politics sub and the cosplay sub are so different your point didn't make sense in context.
As to the rest, the Kags thread should have been handled differently, I totally agree. But the only reason I think this is because Kags herself was in the thread and could Report/complain about content if it bothered her. I also think that Pez is taking it to the next level with the way he handles things. Starting out a PM with the subject "Don't Push Me" is not conducive to an adult conversation, no matter what the contents of the message say. As his response to Vrii? Oi. I thought I'd addressed the issues in the first post I made in this thread, but people are still continuing.
And now there's people following him around doing shit just to provoke him. Chippy had a couple posts removed BY ME and then continued. So he's gone for 24 hours. So what did he do then? Posted as a guest and continued his shit. So now it's a week and I had to suspend Guest posting. Because of one person acting like an asshole.
I've been through that thread a couple times and Adam made the first salvo. Pez then answered using the aforementioned "Don't Push Me", which was a terrible reaction to have. But even though that happened, I still think Pez has the right idea about the cosplay sub. The rules he posted (after the fact) are pretty spot on and are those which I totally agree. That doesn't absolve him from escalating the situation when it didn't need to be, but right now I'm trying to play cleanup and exercise some preventive steps.
First, I'm not talking about the warnings that were given. I only talked about Chippy because it needed to be put out there as to why Guest posting (which has been great and I love it!) has been temporarily suspended. If you think I'm going to go around and publicly shame people you're going to be sorely disappointed. Praise in public, punish in private.
Second, Pez can read and he knows exactly how I feel about the situation. He also knows that I'm not going to make snap decisions in the heat of the moment and that I'm going to have his back if he deserves it. What happened yesterday is not enough to take away his subforum, no matter how much his style differs from how you think it should be run.
Third, I have removed the "Really, REALLY?!?" thing. I left "Disagree" in there but that's considered a neutral rating. I know that's a small thing, but the constant thread stalking by multiple people - including Pez - is frickin' annoying. The biggest issue is that it's spread so far around the boards that it's very, very difficult to tell who did what first to whom. It's like football. I could punish it when I see it but that's usually not the one who deserves it. I don't want to punish someone for forum self defense.
Fourth, I think Vrii is right that Pez's "Final Thoughts" is not exactly conducive to active participation. I will be addressing this with him directly. Vrii is spot on when it comes across like he's "taking the ball and going home" - sorry, Pez. I realize the boards will stay open so the analogy doesn't quite work out, but it does come across like that.
In the end, everyone calm down, let us talk about stuff (and that means both everyone in this thread as well as the mods in the mod forum) and then we'll figure something out. But we're not going to make a snap decision based on the posts of a few vocal users on either side of the issue.
And GasBandit , I know what you meant. But the politics sub and the cosplay sub are so different your point didn't make sense in context.
GasBandit
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Change it to "DO NOT WANT" and I'll sign off on it.
BananaHands
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For what it's worth, I wasn't looking to have Pez immediately demoted and section removed or anything of the sort. I can understand his reactions a lot of times, and it would be easy to reach the conclusion that everyone's out to make him look bad, even when that's not the case. Getting defensive about it is probably the most natural reaction to have.
That said, I do think it's worth it for him - and everyone else - to think about what it mean to be a Mod, and what responsibilities that might entail along with the privileges. I think there's been some good, positive criticism sent his way along with the negative stuff, and I'm pretty sure that there's a middle ground between what he's been doing and what everyone else has, where people can discuss things like grownups. Just a matter of if everyone wants to get there instead of launching the personal attacks and claiming the high ground all the time.
That said, I do think it's worth it for him - and everyone else - to think about what it mean to be a Mod, and what responsibilities that might entail along with the privileges. I think there's been some good, positive criticism sent his way along with the negative stuff, and I'm pretty sure that there's a middle ground between what he's been doing and what everyone else has, where people can discuss things like grownups. Just a matter of if everyone wants to get there instead of launching the personal attacks and claiming the high ground all the time.
BananaHands
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I HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR BROFIST FOR LIKE FOREVER.
BananaHands
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OMG WAIT GIMME SECOND
BananaHands
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How small do you need these bad boys?
GasBandit
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And with the unveiling of my official campaign poster, I reiterate my lack of candidacy for anything. GET OFF MY LAWN.
BananaHands
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BananaHands
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Hm. Doesn't really work for the double.
wait wait, we have lost sight of the larger issue
did adammon leave all of Halforums because he couldn't sexually harass cosplayers?
did adammon leave all of Halforums because he couldn't sexually harass cosplayers?
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makare
Charlie already makes me miss the really really button
BananaHands
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Welcome back, Charlie.
GasBandit
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Maybe shorten the finger separation lines slightly... as it is, it makes me think "imminent goatse."Quick and dirty:
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makare
I think goatse matches up with bro fist pretty well actuallly.
sorry you can only disagree with me now
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makare
no i just have to make the effort of typing out
Really? REALLY!?
Really? REALLY!?
BananaHands
Staff member
What about little red lines to show contact?
BananaHands
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I love the equality.
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