First shot of Thor 2011

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Joe Johnson

Well, I guess I meant the overall concept itself will be hard to sell on screen. I'm sure it can be done, but it could also go down the Ghostrider path and completely fail.
 
The still looks awful to me, but maybe it'll be better in the actual movie. I'm gonna go see it anyway, so it's not like it matters all that much.
 
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Jiarn

It's Marvel Productions: It'll be amazing, true to the storyline and look phenomenal.
 
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Jiarn

So a non-sourced rumor says they're something, you take that as confirmed?
 
How would that be hard to fit? If they want to run the whole Marvel gammut eventually they are going to need players like Dr Strange etc in there. Actually Ghost Rider already had a whole Satan thing in it.
Well, I think Marvel is taking this one step at a time, as it were. In the future, they COULD bring in magic but as right this minute they feel that making straight fantasy elements play nice with the fantastic science fiction of Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, and the upcoming Captain America would have stretched willing suspension of disbelief a touch too far. Comics are a medium that can get away with including everything but the kitchen sink when it comes to fantasy. Film less so, as demonstrated by the Indiana Jones franchise.

As an aside, Ghost Rider is another one where Marvel lacked creative control. It thankfully has no ties to the Avengers Universe they're building.

EDIT: Aaaaand I'm now gonna look like a jackass, but I can no longer find a source to back up my claim. I remember reading it months ago and thinking "That makes sense" but....yeah, nothing. Sorry.
 
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Jiarn

Nope, just amusing seeing people flip off the end on rumors and pictures.
 
To make up for...that misstep, I have something that can be proven! New Picture! Loki and Odin in their helmets! Yay!

 
Hmmm. That's not too shabby. I'm still concerned about the silly looking eyepatch and the Power Ranger-esque armor, but in the full shot it fits a little better.
 
Whenever these conversations occur, I always think that somewhere motion picture industry people are doing the same thing but with greater insight than us and are jumping up and down about how awesome the movie will be based on a single photo.
 
Wait, what? Aliens? When did that happen?
Sometime in the Late 60s early 70s I believe. Never really touched upon greatly, but yea, aliens. Mostly to avoid that whole they're actually gods and Christianity is wrong, and all you Christians are stupid and should really be worshiping Thor the Avenger thing. DC is the same way, all the "gods" are just super powered beings whose powers came from the God wave (Marvel) or "The Source" (DC).
 
Wait, what? Aliens? When did that happen?
Sometime in the Late 60s early 70s I believe. Never really touched upon greatly, but yea, aliens. Mostly to avoid that whole they're actually gods and Christianity is wrong, and all you Christians are stupid and should really be worshiping Thor the Avenger thing. DC is the same way, all the "gods" are just super powered beings whose powers came from the God wave (Marvel) or "The Source" (DC).[/QUOTE]

I'm going to pretend I never read this, because it's a stupid fucking idea.
 
It was touched on in the Earth X series (though I think it's like a What If/Elsewhere deal, not canon). Aaron Stack becomes the new Watcher and discovers that corporeal energy was shaped by the fervent belief of humans into the Pantheons of various religions. Odin, Loki and the rest are only what they are because of belief.
 
I'm going to pretend I never read this, because it's a stupid fucking idea.
Well phooey to you then. They are basically "gods" in everything but the divine "we created the universe" sense, which makes sense as (at least in the comics) just about every single culture's pantheon exists. Zeus and Odin can not both be the creator of the universe at the same time. They are beings from another dimension with abilities that defy all natural laws, nigh-immortality (which is bang on for the Aesir), and who were once worshiped as almighty. Fail to see the...fucking stupid, as you put it. Especially since, even in the original mythology, Asgard was another "world" wholly separate from Midgard.
 
When you say aliens I, at least, read 'beings from another planet' (within the same universe). Being magical beings from, like, other dimensions or some mystical place is much better.
 
When you say aliens I, at least, read 'beings from another planet' (within the same universe). Being magical beings from, like, other dimensions or some mystical place is much better.
This. When I was under the impression it's aliens from another word who are basically so advanced they are god-like, it was fucking stupid. Other dimensions, magic, etc., is much more palatable.
 
Suddenly I'm overcome by an urge to want to wear those helmets, or something similar.

It seems I am destined to become a cosplayer.
 
Description of the footage from Thor shown at Comic-Con:

UPDATE: Now, here is a more detailed description of the Thor footage we began to describe in our attempt to live blog the Marvel panel yesterday.

As we mentioned before, the footage begins with a lightning crack that seems to be the running theme of the footage shown, which makes sense being that this is the God of Thunder and that creating lightning is one of his principal skills. We see an aerial shot of a S.H.I.E.L.D. base where Clark Gregg's Agent Coulson is grilling Chris Hemsworth's Thor, who is in handcuffs slumped in a chair.

Coulson is giving Thor a long monologue, as he's prone to do, trying to find out who this man before him is. He says to him, with suitably long pauses for added effect:

"One way or another, we find out what we want to know," he says. "We're good at that. It's not easy to do what you did."

We see Thor breaking out of what seems to be a hospital but is more likely to be a S.H.I.E.L.D. containment center, throwing people around and throwing someone in a quarantine suit through the outside of a plastic containment area.

"You make my men, some of the most highly trained professionals in the world look like a minimum wage mall cops," Coulson continues.

We see Thor fighting more S.H.I.E.L.D. soldiers using a very physical way of combat, at one point jumping up and kicking a guy full on the chest with both feet.

"In my experience," Coulson says. "It takes someone who received similar training to do what you did to them? Why don't' you tell me where you received that training." Pause. "Afghanistan? You strike me more as a soldier of fortune type." During this part of his interrogation, we see more of Thor fighting and a bunch of explosions.

"Who are you?" He finally asks, and at this, Thor looks up at him from the chair.

We then cut to Asgard, which is shown as a bright constellation in the sky and as the camera travels into this star cluster, we see that this is an enormous and spectacular world filled with large towers seemingly made out of gold. Over these scenes, we hear the regal voiceover of Sir Anthony Hopkins as Odin:

"I have sacrificed much to achieve peace. So too must a new generation sacrifice to maintain that peace. Responsibility, duty, honor," he proclaims loudly. "these are not mere virtues we must aspire. They are essential to every soldier and to every king," he proclaims.

During this voiceover, the camera that's been showing us glimpses of this Godly world finally enters Odin's throne room as seen in recent pictures and the camera pans forward to Odin sitting in his throne, really holding sway over everyone in the room. Anthony Hopkins really looks well-suited to play a king in fact.

As he speaks, we see some of the Norse Gods briefly including Sif, Balder and each of the Warriors Three. At the base of Odin's throne is his son Thor.

"Thor, for your arrogance and stupidity, you have opened these peaceful realms and innocent lives to the horror and the devastation of war."

As that is said, we see our first look at Idris Elba's Heimdall with fierce glowing eyes, as well as as bunch of other Asgardian creatures, presumably trolls, advancing on the camera.

Odin's voice starts to get louder and angrier, "You are a vain, greedy, cruel boy."

Thor looks up and yells at him, "And you are an old man and a fool!"

Odin responds to him, "Yes, I was a fool…. To think you were ready."

This is when we first see Tom HIddleston as Loki who tries to intercede which just angers Odin more, but he's now back to Thor again. "You're unworthy and you're a traitor! I now take from you your power. In the name of my father and his father before, I cast you out!" And as he says that, he sends a bolt of magical force at Thor sending him flying backwards out of the throne room and then through the stars, screaming as he crashes to earth in the desert.

He's found by Natalie Portman's Jane Foster who looks at his prone body and says, "Please open your eyes." He does and seems perplexed, asking her in what seems like his normal Australian accent, "Oh, no, this is earth, isn't it?" and she asks, "Where did you come from?"

Yes, Thor has angered his father Odin so badly that he's been exiled to earth sans powers, which is a very popular storyline from the comics, though not necessarily the same origin story told in "Journey into Mystery" #83 as we'll learn later.

We then see Hemsworth walking around shirtless (which got many girls in the audience to scream) and impressing Foster and her assistant Darcy (played by Kat Dennings) makes a comment, "You know, for a crazy homeless person, you're pretty good."

The next few scenes involve Thor and Jane Foster driving an RV through the desert and talking.

"Describe exactly what happened to you last night," she says to him.

"Your ancestors called it magic and you call it science," he answers. "I come from a place where they're one and the same," he tells her.

"We are on the verge of understanding something extraordinary," she says to him as they drive.

"The answers you seek will be yours once I reclaim what's mine," he tells her.

We then see that they're driving to the S.H.I.E.L.D. base and once inside, he pulls back a curtain to show where they're holding Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, after finding it in the desert at the end of Iron Man 2. Its business end is encased in a large thin piece of rock that had been cut away from the crater created by it dropping to earth. Thor tries to pull the hammer out of the rock, but as hard as he tries he can't seem to get it out.

This is something interesting to note, because Kenneth Branagh is clearly not going for the usual origin of Thor where Dr. Donald Blake finds a cane in a cave, strikes it on the earth and then changes into Thor. No, in this case, Thor has been exiled sans powers and without the strength to pull that hammer out of the rock, at least for now, which means he remains strong and well-trained in fighting, but still merely a very strong mortal.

Odin's voiceover says, "Whoever wields this hammer will be deemed worthy to possess the power of Thor."

We're then back to Asgard, where Loki is leading a group of Gods on some kind of march, but we also then see that Odin is lying prone on a slab, clearly having been killed either in war (or maybe through some trick of Loki?) leaving his kingdom of Asgard in need of a successor. A woman's voice, presumably his wife Frigga, says, "The line of succession falls to you. Asgard is yours," and indeed, Loki says, "I am now the leader of Asgard. I am your king," as he casually walks up to the throne and the Warriors Three kneel before him.

"For the first time in my life, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do," Thor says in voiceover and then we finally see him in his full costume as he battles with Loki. We also see a great shot of Thor standing on the throne with his hammer raised above his fight, another physical battle with Loki, in which he actually hurls Mjolnir at him and Loki blocks the hammer with his staff. There's also a shot of Thor kissing Jane Foster, though we didn't really see much of Sif, which was surprising.

Throughout the footage, there are lots of lightning strikes used to great effect, the last one heralding the first official Thor logo.

We do see and hear Odin one more time in the footage, as he's standing in the shadows with another figure, his voice proclaiming, "He has disobeyed the expressed demand of his king. His fate is in his own hands now."

The closing scene of the footage shows Coulson gathered with a bunch of agents in the desert, and we hear this loud booming noises which is shaking everything ala the T-Rex footsteps in Jurassic Park. Coulson looks up to the sky and we see something large drop to the desert sending sand everywhere. When the sand clears, we see it's Odin's destroyer, an enormous robotic construct not unlike the one from The Day the Earth Stood Still.

"Is that one of Stark's?" someone asks Agent Coulson, who responds, "I don't know. The guy never tells me anything," he adds, and then says to the Destroyer, "Hello, you are using unregistered weapons technology, identify yourself." The Destroyer starts pacing towards the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, and Coulson says matter of factly, "Here we go." and that's when the eye panels on the Destroyer's metal head opens up and starts shooting eye blasts out at the gathered agents, blowing up the agent's cars off to the left and then the cars on the right and then the last blast goes right at the camera to end the footage.

Couple observations about this version of Thor from what we saw in the footage: This is a far more physical character than maybe we're used to seeing in the comics because we can tell that he can handle himself even without having his lightning powers or the use of Mjolnir. This is clear from the footage that shows him fighting S.H.I.E.L.D. agents which seems to be derived almost from the world of wrestling in terms of him jumping up and doing power kicks. There also seems to be more humor in this than some might expect from the normally serious Asgard stuff, and a lot of that comes from the earth characters like Clark Gregg's Agent Coulson and Kat Dennings' Darcy. It's subtle humor but definitely in line with what Marvel Studios have done in their previous films. It seems like there will definitely be two very distinct sections of the movie, what's happening in Asgard and what's happening on Earth, although we expect the story will go back and forth between them. The Asgard stuff certainly seems more like things we've seen in the comics, while the earthbound stuff is more in vein with what Marvel Studios has set up with the two "Iron Man" movies. One interesting note is that we don't really see Thor on earth in his full costume, as if he is more human on earth, figures out how to get a hold of his hammer and then returns to Asgard to face the repercussions of Odin's defeat and Loki's rise to power. One presumes that eventually he'll have to get back to earth in God form, so that he can join the Avengers, although there really wasn't any indication of how and when that happens from the footage.

Clearly, part of the story as we know from Coulson's appearances in Iron Man 2 is that when Thor is cast down to earth along with Mjolnir, they're both found by S.H.I.E.L.D. and detained, then Thor escapes and hooks up with Jane Foster (at least figuratively) and they try to get Thor's hammer and powers back. Meanwhile, Asgard has been thrown into chaos due to war and the death of Odin, allowing Loki to take power. At least the latter stuff is very much from the comics, while the S.H.I.E.L.D. aspect is very much a way to tie Thor in with the other planned movies.
 
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Philosopher B.

I hadn't been paying too much attention to this thus far (never read any Thor comics), but that trailer was really good! Also, yay for having Natalie Portman in it!
 
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