Democratic Primary: Crisis of infinite candidates

There are those now expecting for Biden to pick Hillary as his running mate.

--Patrick
As someone who doesn't loathe Hillary the way a lot of people do, this would be an idiotic fucking move. He needs a progressive to pull in Bernie/Warren supporters.
 
There are those now expecting for Biden to pick Hillary as his running mate.

--Patrick
That would be...inadvisable.
And I honestly can't think of any form of electoral college math or representation whatever that would merit it. Michelle Obama would be a better choice and she has literally no political experience at all.

It would also probably be the only choice which would guarantee Four More Years and, given the SC makeup and all that, all but guarantee a fascist theocracy in the USA.
 
Yeah why should people be upset that the one candidate who believes that poor people deserve to not die of cancer lost?
 

Dave

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Step 1: Biden selects Hillary as VP pick.
Step 2: Biden wins.
Step 3: Biden announces early onset dementia.
Step 4: President Hillary.

Not planned by the DNC at all.

And by the way, this exact message is what's going to put Trump into office for another 4 years.
 
He wasn't the only such candidate. But God forbid Bernie would've used his rhetorical prowess and support base to rally people behind a better choice than an 80 year old white millionaire.
Let's hope for a good charismatic left leader next time around. Warren for VP and Biden dropping dead after 2 years and 1 day.
 
Twitter is already alight with the people saying they will never vote for Biden. Looks like we might be in for another four years of Trump, yall.
 
He's not choosing Hillary. It'll be Kamelah Harris.

That being said, Bernie is still on the ballot so I'm gonna vote for him. Maybe Biden can die and Bernie will get the nomination by default.
 
Twitter is already alight with the people saying they will never vote for Biden. Looks like we might be in for another four years of Trump, yall.
All polls suggest the amount of never-Bidens is much lower than the never-Clintons was. Don't forget Twitter is an enormous echochamber for very vocal minorities on all ends of the spectrum.
 
All polls suggest the amount of never-Bidens is much lower than the never-Clintons was. Don't forget Twitter is an enormous echochamber for very vocal minorities on all ends of the spectrum.
Polls also said Hillary was going to blow away Trump by 14 points right up until the election.

We can't just rely on polls, we need to see how people through public channels are gravitating.

As for Twitter, never underestimate the power of an echo chambers ability to radiate out. One of the reasons Trump won was because of the absolute ridiculous amount of press coverage we gave even his stupidest tweets before and after the election. The minute people start seeing news reports about how Bernie supporters are turning away from even voting en mass because they don't see a difference between Trump and Biden, you have already planted the seed of doubt needed to keep another thousands of people home.
 
I am going to vote Biden because I want the lesser of two evils here, but I really wish people would get their head out of their asses and realize we don't need to always go with the lesser of two evils. Our whole system needs to change. We can't sustain it anymore.
 
I voted libertarian last election but I will vote for any Democrat this time around. This has to stop. I feel somewhat complicit even though I didn't vote for Trump. The Clinton's are corrupt as fuck though.
 
I voted libertarian last election but I will vote for any Democrat this time around. This has to stop. I feel somewhat complicit even though I didn't vote for Trump. The Clinton's are corrupt as fuck though.
Hilary was always a terrible choice, and my only hope like mentioned earlier is that Biden isn't as unpopular. I still feel people that want a heavy progressive movement are going to stay home regardless though, as Biden does not give that. If Biden does take Hilary as a running mate, all my hope will be squashed, and I will lose what little faith I had left in the DNC.
 
Why is it always incumbent on the left to change for the centrists, rather than the centrists to change their stances to appeal to the left?
 
Why is it always incumbent on the left to change for the centrists, rather than the centrists to change their stances to appeal to the left?
The issue has always been that the centrist fears the left more then the right, because the right is at least familiar. The left wants drastic change, and when you are an old centrist, drastic change scares the pants off you. This is one reason Biden is walking away with this, because compared to everyone else he is the familiar choice because of Obama. Obama seemed to be the only outlier in the last few decades (I don't count Trump since he is a celebrity, even if he is a political outlier), before that we went from Bush to Clinton, then another Bush versus Clinton's VP ending in Bush, then Obama as the odd man, then a celebrity conman, and now a celebrity conman versus Obama's VP.

Biden has the benefit over Hillary of not being a woman.
It's super sad because it's also super true.
 
Why is it always incumbent on the left to change for the centrists, rather than the centrists to change their stances to appeal to the left?
30% of the U.S.A. are fascists or rednecks or religious zealots.
25% of the U.S.A. are left-wing, from cryptocommunist over socialist to social democrat. The remaining 45% are neither - moderate, regular conservative, economically liberal, libertarian, whatever. Some of those naturally gravitate more towards the right, some to the left. The political spectrum in the USA isn't exactly normally balanced.
 
Are we really going to call the guy who expanded the drone program in the US and continued to fight the unjust wars of his predecessor an actual leftist?
I think that's the point. It was Obama vs. Hillary, the only reason either was an outlier was because of race or gender, not politics.
 
He needs a progressive to pull in Bernie/Warren supporters.
Let's all be honest. He's going to pick whomever his handlers tell him to pick.
Step 1: Biden selects Hillary as VP pick.
Step 2: Biden wins.
Step 3: Biden announces early onset dementia.
Step 4: President Hillary.

Not planned by the DNC at all.

And by the way, this exact message is what's going to put Trump into office for another 4 years.
Oh, come on. Are you saying the DNC would pick someone they want over someone the people will actually vote for? It's not like there's President precedent or anything.

--Patrick
 
Are we really going to call the guy who expanded the drone program in the US and continued to fight the unjust wars of his predecessor an actual leftist?
Because the Actual Left would never do anything aggressive, warlike or unjust?

Not everyone on the left is the second coming of Christ, there's plenty of room there, too.
Obama was further left than Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Biden, or any other establishment candidate of the past 30 years. It doesn't make him left, but the best you've had as far as that goes. If he had had a democratic Congress...eh, who knows what could've been.
 
Polls also said Hillary was going to blow away Trump by 14 points right up until the election.

We can't just rely on polls, we need to see how people through public channels are gravitating.
Unless you're talking 2015, when no one was taking Trump seriously, the polls never had her with that much of a lead.

And if you actually look at the data, you easily see that she actually did get around the % of votes that the polls predicted. But since the US uses the EC, her not getting a few ten thousand votes in certain places mattered more then the overall votes.


As for Twitter, never underestimate the power of an echo chambers ability to radiate out. One of the reasons Trump won was because of the absolute ridiculous amount of press coverage we gave even his stupidest tweets before and after the election. The minute people start seeing news reports about how Bernie supporters are turning away from even voting en mass because they don't see a difference between Trump and Biden, you have already planted the seed of doubt needed to keep another thousands of people home.
Oh please, i'm willing to bet more people stayed home because they assumed Hillary was going to win, and they could afford to the luxury of not having to hold their noses to vote in a candidate they didn't personally like.
 
I want someone to do a cartoon of Biden, now:
Biden: “Ah, the smell of victory.”
<buries face in someone’s hair> *SNIIFFFFFFF*

—Patrick
 
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