Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

It's a bad thing because it's falsely implying that the accused aren't getting due process.
Here's the parts that raise my hackles by no small degree:

1. The proposed plan narrows the definition of sexual misconduct. This rings alarm bells for me, as it brings to mind attempts by Old White Men to claim that rape isn't rape because women want it (sorry for the paraphrasing. I can't bring myself to look up their actual attempt at logic at the moment). And I have zero faith in DeVos not to think along the same lines.
2. It allows assailants to cross-examine their accusers during mediation. Sexual assault is as much (if not more) about dominance than sexual gratification. It's difficult enough to get victims to report assault without the requirement that they be submitted to further intimidation and psychological assault by their abusers.
3. It only holds universities accountable for assaults that occur on campus. 87% of college students live off campus, and many Greek and athletic houses are off campus, as well. Under these rules, a college student raped 3 minutes from campus would be expected to continue to attend classes with their rapist, with no right to protection or consideration. It's as if the assault never happened.
4. It's endorsed by DeVos. What does that woman touch that doesn't have a poisonous agenda at its heart? That, alone, makes it deserving of suspicion. She wants to remove the current Title IX protections for the simple fact that they are an Obama legacy. If what she replaces them with is drek that protects abusers and universities' pocket books, so much the better.
 
Here's the parts that raise my hackles by no small degree:

1. The proposed plan narrows the definition of sexual misconduct. This rings alarm bells for me, as it brings to mind attempts by Old White Men to claim that rape isn't rape because women want it (sorry for the paraphrasing. I can't bring myself to look up their actual attempt at logic at the moment). And I have zero faith in DeVos not to think along the same lines.
2. It allows assailants to cross-examine their accusers during mediation. Sexual assault is as much (if not more) about dominance than sexual gratification. It's difficult enough to get victims to report assault without the requirement that they be submitted to further intimidation and psychological assault by their abusers.
3. It only holds universities accountable for assaults that occur on campus. 87% of college students live off campus, and many Greek and athletic houses are off campus, as well. Under these rules, a college student raped 3 minutes from campus would be expected to continue to attend classes with their rapist, with no right to protection or consideration. It's as if the assault never happened.
4. It's endorsed by DeVos. What does that woman touch that doesn't have a poisonous agenda at its heart? That, alone, makes it deserving of suspicion. She wants to remove the current Title IX protections for the simple fact that they are an Obama legacy. If what she replaces them with is drek that protects abusers and universities' pocket books, so much the better.
We already can't get universities to actually enforce Title IX to any degree worth a damn - Baylor is proof of that, not only did their football coach actively seek out the victims of his rapist players and persuade them not to press charges, the athletic director and president of the university covered it up. They're all gone now, but just this year their Title IX administrator and their head of HR were forced to leave after it was shown that they were both trying to undermine the Title IX reporting process to continue to help cover up the actions of athletes. Oh, and they're both women - so it's not just an old white men issue, it's a whomever can possibly benefit from the university having a good name issue. But yeah, the accused are the ones who are being singled out here. It's about ethics in video game journalism sexual assault convictions.
 

GasBandit

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I think the A&M Campus police might be better funded than the College Station Police Department.

And the CSPD isn't exactly underfunded by any stretch of the word.
 
I think the A&M Campus police might be better funded than the College Station Police Department.

And the CSPD isn't exactly underfunded by any stretch of the word.
I'd still rather have an outside agency handle the investigations.

Edit: Of course, I'm allowing my own experiences to color my perceptions in that regard. I knew the Lt. of the campus police department at WSU, and he was dirty. I knew a lot of the cops at the Pullman PD, and they were pains in the ass - but they were clean.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I'd still rather have an outside agency handle the investigations.
I would, as well. Despite my libertarian leanings, I am not comfortable with private institutions handling law enforcement responsibilities.

That said, the CSPD is notoriously jackbooted. They're just a revenue generation mechanism for the city of College Station that mostly exists to issue parking and traffic citations. And business is good, because A&M students are ripe for plunder.
 
After a brief but intense period of introspection on this topic, I have to say this:

I agree with @Gruebeard. We should absolutely strip universities of the power to investigate and rule on sexual assaults on or off campus. I am completely against this administration being the one that does it, though. And that's not because I don't like Trump, or any of his cronies. I don't - let's be clear. My concern with letting this administration handle any sensitive situation is that they've shown, time and again, that they are willing to act without even the briefest moment of consideration for future consequences - or any consequences - and to continue to do so against the will of the voters and the instructions of the courts.
 
I think the A&M Campus police might be better funded than the College Station Police Department.

And the CSPD isn't exactly underfunded by any stretch of the word.
That wouldn't surprise me. After disbanding their police force, I'd tax A&M to bolster the local force.

Ideally, tuition would be unaffected, with the extra taxes being no higher than the cost of directly funding their campus force.

Also ideally, the local force wouldn't be jackbooted thugs
 

GasBandit

Staff member
That wouldn't surprise me. After disbanding their police force, I'd tax A&M to bolster the local force.

Ideally, tuition would be unaffected, with the extra taxes being no higher than the cost of directly funding their campus force.
Tuition at A&M (or to be more specific, "fees") was ridiculous even when I was going there, I can only assume it's gotten worse over the last couple decades. And that's from a school that is state subsidized AND constantly cutting humanities departments because of a supposed funds crunch. But boy aren't all those new buildings they've built super fucking shiny, especially the new Kyle Field.
 
Tuition at A&M (or to be more specific, "fees") was ridiculous even when I was going there, I can only assume it's gotten worse over the last couple decades. And that's from a school that is state subsidized AND constantly cutting humanities departments because of a supposed funds crunch. But boy aren't all those new buildings they've built super fucking shiny, especially the new Kyle Field.
Okay, now you're convincing me to burn down the school and start over from scratch.

Well, not burn it down. Those shiny new buildings would make for awesome municipal services that coukd be used by everyone who voted me into power. (And everyone else, too, I suppose).

Then the new University - Gruebeard A&M! - would just fucking teach its students like they're adults and learning is their job. If they want to play football they can book some time at the city's fancy new stadium and do so on their own time.
 
I agree with @Gruebeard. We should absolutely strip universities of the power to investigate and rule on sexual assaults on or off campus.
I agree that universities shouldn't be in charge of investigating sexual assaults, as they have a vested interest in making sure everyone believes their campuses are safe and assault-free (and, as Faux News and the Cheeto keep proving, there's a large portion of America gullible enough to take their word for it). But I'm not sure how much I trust local PDs to be impartial, either, given how much of their funding comes from the fleecing of students, and how important the university likely is to local infrastructure, population, and economic considerations. Meh... I don't have the solution, or I'd probably be in politics. *shudders* :p
 

GasBandit

Staff member
I agree that universities shouldn't be in charge of investigating sexual assaults, as they have a vested interest in making sure everyone believes their campuses are safe and assault-free (and, as Faux News and the Cheeto keep proving, there's a large portion of America gullible enough to take their word for it). But I'm not sure how much I trust local PDs to be impartial, either, given how much of their funding comes from the fleecing of students, and how important the university likely is to local infrastructure, population, and economic considerations. Meh... I don't have the solution, or I'd probably be in politics. *shudders* :p
The solution is universal mandatory open carry :twisted:

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The solution is universal mandatory open carry :twisted:

♫ It's my thread and I can troll if I want to, troll if I want to, troll if I want to ♫
You do not want to see me with a gun. You KNOW I can't identify the stupid things in L4D2, and still manage to get the highest number of friendly fire incidents most games. As soon as open carry is universal and mandatory, I'm coming to your house, and standing right behind you. All the time. So there. *pew pew!*
 

GasBandit

Staff member
You do not want to see me with a gun. You KNOW I can't identify the stupid things in L4D2, and still manage to get the highest number of friendly fire incidents most games. As soon as open carry is universal and mandatory, I'm coming to your house, and standing right behind you. All the time. So there. *pew pew!*
We needed to have gotten to you earlier. Imagine if you'd had marksmanship classes in high school, that you had to pass to graduate! :D
 
We needed to have gotten to you earlier. Imagine if you'd had marksmanship classes in high school, that you had to pass to graduate! :D
Then I absolutely would have ignored Mom's advice about "age-appropriate social interaction" and taken the offer to skip HS altogether and go right to the UW. So nyeh.

I do have a bow! And a great big back yard... I could get my aim on the old-fashioned way. :D
 
Time: Oklahoma Republican Suggests Turning Kids Over to ICE If They Don't Speak English
Republican Rep. Mike Ritze, said Oklahoma could solve some of its money problems by identifying what his caucus believes are 82,000 non-English speaking students and sending them to ICE to determine whether they are citizens in an interview with local news station News9.

“Identify them and then turn them over to ICE to see if they truly are citizens — and do we really have to educate noncitizens?” Ritze asked.

The 1982 Supreme Court decision Plyler v. Doe prohibits states from denying education to undocumented immigrants. The Associated Press reports that there are 50,000 English learners in Oklahoma’s public schools, and many of the students could be U.S. citizens.
This is, of course, a holier-than-thou religious conservative.
 

figmentPez

Staff member
Y'know, I rated this :Leyla: but I gotta say: I'd strip universities of the power to investigate sexual assaults off campus, too. And on campus. Criminal acts should be investigated by real police and tried in real courts.
If that's a change that's going to be made, it's going to have to make adjustments in every court system to account for the number of students who are non-residents. That's one of major reasons why colleges were set up to handle it in the first place. Rapes getting covered up was a dysfunction in the system. The function of the system was to deal with a transient population the court system of the town was not prepared to deal with. The whole system may be broken in a lot cases, and just switching over to the local government may not result in any better treatment for either side than the present system.
 

GasBandit

Staff member
Excellent socialist rhetoric from *checks notes*...Tucker Carlson?

I don't think it'll be as socialist as you think. I'd be willing to bet part of his solution to the problem will be to cut welfare entitlements.

As in "Hold on there, professor... we FIXED the GLITCH."

 
Comparing BEZOS and his business tactics towards Amazon and it's workers to a cotton baron and textile mill workers would be accurate and apt. However, the only reason that conservatives are complaining though is that they don't believe they owe to a debt to the society that facilitated their success and thus shouldn't be taxed for... anything. It has nothing to do with "moral" outrage at his actions, they just don't want to pay for shit.

Mark my words: if we don't do something about Amazon and BEZOS, we're going to see them paying their workers in Amazon credit sooner rather than later. Fuck, Wal-Mart alreayd pays it's workers with script in it's Mexican locations.
 
Comparing BEZOS and his business tactics towards Amazon and it's workers to a cotton baron and textile mill workers would be accurate and apt. However, the only reason that conservatives are complaining though is that they don't believe they owe to a debt to the society that facilitated their success and thus shouldn't be taxed for... anything. It has nothing to do with "moral" outrage at his actions, they just don't want to pay for shit.

Mark my words: if we don't do something about Amazon and BEZOS, we're going to see them paying their workers in Amazon credit sooner rather than later. Fuck, Wal-Mart alreayd pays it's workers with script in it's Mexican locations.
An ex's mother used to call Walmart the "Company Store."

As in Tennessee Ernie Ford.
 
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