Maybe next time don't post a list with only 1 point that's about gun control, and then complain i'm not right about saying he's only using 1 angle about gun control...
And, no, him also posting about sex stuff doesn't count towards what we where discussing, even if it counts for what he was talking about with someone else.
You're side-stepping and ignoring that we're not talking about just gun control. We're talking about how to save kids lives. And those steps will help reduce school shootings. Possibly more than gun control, in the long run. And they will definitely save more children's lives than gun control if we consider all the lives that will be saved by the effect on suicide rates, by the effect on economic growth, by the effects in so many areas of life.
I was just talking to Stienman on that one.
My arguments against Gas where slightly different.
My apologies. I assumed you were just piling on with Blotsfan, who irrationally rejected that it's possible to influence gun violence in any way that's not directly related to banning all guns. Oh wait, that's exactly what you're doing.
You really think they're shooting up schools because their classes are too large?
Plus, all of those are still the same angle, "teach them not to shoot up schools".
Wow, way to cherry pick. You are just trolling.
Short answer, it's not just about class sizes, and it's not just about shooting up schools. It's about public school being an awful mockery of what it should be. A pressure cooker that's churning out angry, disruptive, still uneducated people who are shooting others, killing themselves, and who have been failed by a system that's supposed to better them. An underfunded school where teachers cannot give students the attention they need is actively contributing to at least some of those students declining in mental health, among many other things.
Let me ask you. How does banning all guns help with childhood suicide rates? How does it help the growing gap between the rich and the poor? How does it help equip young people for a better economic future? How does it help combat a growing opiate addiction problem in the US? How does it help combat climate change and other environmental problems? Because better education helps with ALL of these.
Heh, you where saying about common ground again?
You don't think banning all guns would cause a civil war? I mean, gun nuts have told you over and over again that if you try to force them to give up all their guns, they'll start shooting. Do you think that's an idle threat when a lot of gun owners are dead serious about the 2nd Amendment being about their ability to protect themselves against the government?
For the record, I'm not against stricter gun laws. I'm not in the exact same boat as Gas, I'm more moderate on what sorts of restrictions I'd allow. I just don't think it's realistic to expect gun laws that worked in Australia to have the same effect in a vastly different population. We could pass better gun laws in the US. I think we should. I'm in no way against more effective gun control than we have now. I just don't think that anything short of banning all guns will do very much to slow down the rate at which school shootings are increasing, and banning all guns would cause a drastic uptick in other sorts of shooting (i.e. a civil war).
"American exceptionalism! We went to the moon why are things too hard now!?" Shut up.
"We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy,
but because they are hard;" If you think that I said that solving the gun violence problem in America was hard because I was just giving up, you're the problem, not me. I said hard, not impossible. Americans, as a nation, can do hard things. We have a history of doing hard things. That gun violence will be a hard problem to solve is not something that can stop it from being done. However, it will take people who step up and admit that it is a hard problem to solve. It will not be solved by people who want the easy solution, because there is no easy solution. All the solutions that could actually work are hard solutions, and it's time to either step up or shut up.
I don't see any reason to respond to you further than this. Because you have deliberately avoided actually addressing my points. You've cherry picked bits out of my statements, as you've done to Gas, as you've done to Steinman, and you've done it
over and over. You are being completely irrational and that's just not worth my time. If you want to actually talk about this issue, and not just attempt to libel those with whom you disagree, then you're going to have to convince me, because right now I can't see any evidence that you're reading my posts and not just skimming them looking for points you can take out of context.
