you have turned into a real FN-2187...
Were you holding up your three fingers?
Cajungal
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It gets tedious having to say it every morning at school. It's a chorus of droning voices who have no care at all for what they're saying. And I can't really blame them. There are great lesson plans out there about citizenship--contributing to your community in a meaningful way. Unfortunately they take more time than 20 seconds of parroting.
Cajungal
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Not shocking. They have messed up priorities.
It's also a very effective way of brainwashing people. American patriotism differs very, very little from very strong nationalism or chauvinism. Practically all Americans are drenched in it. Which leads to the ridiculous effect of people attacking the federal government while waving the US flag and all that.
Citizenship is great and important. Feeling Group You Belong To is better or more important or the "good guys" just because they're that group, leads to dangerous waters.
Ayup. A scout is trustworthy, loyal helpful brave, clean, and reverent.
Though our pack was not very strict with their rules. We were the ones to wake up the entire camp with a soda can and a double chimney stove. Apparently people woke up two miles away.
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No, but, I don't see why it might confuse her. Every single Asian country I've visited/worked for/lived in had their own version one way or another. The Korean schools would do their national anthem/pledge every morning, the Japanese had their own version, the Chinese had various versions. A couple schools in Shanghai would march out to "Ode to the Motherland" before morning exercise and stand at attention until the song finished.
I have a mixed view on these things. While on one hand, excessive nationalism/patriotism can lead to bad outcomes, I also don't have a huge hang up over people, EVEN AMERICANS, expressing patriotism and love for country, because I was surrounded by it and exposed to it for years--and I'm not even talking about just the Chinese here--every expat from everywhere EXCEPT America (especially you, Canada), made their patriotism loud and clear abroad, showing unabashed love of their own cultures/countries/whatever.
It was fun listening to the PreK kids say it. "I ple-jalliegnts...to da flag ...of Uhnited States of America. An' to pebublic... for witches hands. One nation unner cod.... I'm invisible...with glittery juice boxes for all."
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I am a trained scout leader. On the application in HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS it says you must SWEAR that you uphold some type of religion. It specifically said it did not matter which, as long as you weren't atheist.
FSN it is. Or Jedi. Or Zuism.
I'm aware. And it's kinda messed up.
Yeah, we're not allowed to do it at home (we get shit on for being like the Americans) so we overcompensate.
In Taiwan, we used to have to sing the national anthem before every movie in the theaters.
You'd go in, find your seat, sit down, settle the popcorn on your lap, and then suddenly NATIONAL ANTHEM TIME. So you stand back up, gripping your bucket of popcorn, grumble out the national anthem, then sit back down as the trailers start to play.
Not sure when they got rid of this. As far as I can remember, it was in the late 90s.
Never forget.
I was kicked out for not having the proper uniform. We just couldn't afford it.
--Patrick
We still have to do that at movie theaters on military bases.
Something that kind of surprised me (though perhaps it shouldn't have) when I took the Citizen at Large position in my town is the reciting of the pledge of allegiance before every meeting.
Even as a kid in elementary school, I remember being disturbed about the "under god" part (and "in god we trust" on money), because of the constitutional implications. Since learning that these were inserted during the "red scare" of the McCarthy era, I take it as a moral lesson in how much liberty people will give up if they're frightened (the homeland security act being a most recent reminder of the same).
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Your troop could get in serious trouble and possibly lose their charter for kicking you out for this.[DOUBLEPOST=1452175561,1452175427][/DOUBLEPOST]
I just re-read what I posted, and it read totally different from what I meant. I just meant that it surprised me how serious they were about it, not that you should've seen it.
its shit like this that gets you tossed out of most organizations that pride themselves on being good Christians that are serious about those values for it members.
Things were no doubt different several decades ago.
Mainly it was that I could never pass inspection due to an incomplete uniform.
--Patrick
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Don't get me wrong--the boy scouts are a great organization except for some of their outdated ideas. The other parts are wonderful, though. That's why so many impassioned Eagle Scouts sent back their Eagles in protest of their position on homosexuality. If they were a crap organization, no one would've cared.
GasBandit
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Yeah, but you wouldn't believe the scouting program in Japan. That shit's bonkers. Even just the uniforms!
What a bunch of space cadets.Yeah, but you wouldn't believe the scouting program in Japan. That shit's bonkers. Even just the uniforms!
--Patrick
GasBandit
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Too bad they couldn't defeat the Gorfian empire.
We're supposed to pledge our allegiance to hockey and Tim Horton's. You know this.
I don't like hockey and I don't drink coffee.....can I stay??
Tim Hortons has decent hot chocolate, and a variety of baked goods.
You can only skip out on the hockey part if you mumble something about maple syrup and moose.
And wear a tuque.
I used to work at Tims. That counts right? I finished donuts.[DOUBLEPOST=1452205249,1452205160][/DOUBLEPOST]
I have a super cute pink one I got for Christmas. I wear it in public.
I balance out the family by being super mega Canadian.
Denim pants, shirt and jacket! - check
Beer made from trees! - check
Moose meat! - check
Plaid wool and flanel everything! - check
air hockey, beer hockey, table hockey, twist hockey, hockey hockey hockey, hockey all the time! - check
double double! - check
maple syrup on everything! - check
Roots clothing! - check
Labbatt 50, yesbye! - check
Screeched in! - check
Go Leafs! - check and double check check check!
Oskie Wee Wee! - Oskie Waw waw! - Check!, next year, next year...
It's nice to live on the main route south for the GTA snowbirds.
