[Movies] MCU: Phase 3 And Beyond
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She looks way younger then RDJ ever did...
Well, yeah, and Renner's no spring chicken either. But she doesn't need to look that young. I know most of the time they insist on casting the "ingenue" type ( with the exception of Pepper) but some characters, and definitely Carol, would be better served by casting a slightly more experienced woman.
GasBandit
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A "Dynamite Gal?"
BananaHands
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Can't hear y'all over Yvonne Strahovski.
Well, judging from her stint on Dexter I would say no.... but that could have been the writing at that point.
BananaHands
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She was much better in Chuck than in Dexter. I feel like she could shine in a feature.
She'll always be Miranda Lawson to me.Can't hear y'all over Yvonne Strahovski.
GasBandit
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This kind of fuckin' bullshit is why I'm so bummed out for my friend's with a daughter, who is basically my fuckin' niece, who loves super heroes.
I wonder if they mean there's no "solo" merchandise for her, like toys/shirts of just her/her logo, etc.
Is that Age of Ultron?
http://www.toywiz.com/scarletwitchallstar.html
http://www.toywiz.com/captwidowultron.html
Action figures for both Scarlet Witch and Black Widow. I don't know what they mean by excluding her from merchandising.
Also:
http://www.toywiz.com/ultronbwidow.html
It's in pre-order, but it's coming.
I think before people start pulling out the pitchforks, they realize that merchandising for toys is usually done through established toy manufacturers, not Marvel/Disney themselves.
http://www.toywiz.com/captwidowultron.html
Action figures for both Scarlet Witch and Black Widow. I don't know what they mean by excluding her from merchandising.
Also:
http://www.toywiz.com/ultronbwidow.html
It's in pre-order, but it's coming.
I think before people start pulling out the pitchforks, they realize that merchandising for toys is usually done through established toy manufacturers, not Marvel/Disney themselves.
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I don't think that title says anything like "There is literally no merchandise with Black Widow on it". It says she's missing from Merchandise. As in, there are tonnes of t-shirts and toy sets that include the male Avengers but not Black Widow.
http://butnotblackwidow.tumblr.com/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyorley/...rs-merchandise-is-seriously-lackin#.jpvG7GZV0
She even got cut from the Samsung themes:
http://www.androidcentral.com/one-avenger-missing-samsung
http://butnotblackwidow.tumblr.com/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyorley/...rs-merchandise-is-seriously-lackin#.jpvG7GZV0
She even got cut from the Samsung themes:
http://www.androidcentral.com/one-avenger-missing-samsung
They exist. Whether or not your local toy stores carry them is not the point.
As I just linked above, one of the starting line of toys, which, BTW are available now, is Scarlet Witch and a double pack with Capt. America and Black Widow.
Also, even the article mentions that Hawkeye got similar treatment and hell, I haven't seen ANY Quicksilver merchandise. BW and Hawkeye are kind of in the same tier as far as popularity goes.
I'm all for equal gender representation in merchandising, but this is very pot stirring for the sake of pot stirring, IMO.
As I just linked above, one of the starting line of toys, which, BTW are available now, is Scarlet Witch and a double pack with Capt. America and Black Widow.
Also, even the article mentions that Hawkeye got similar treatment and hell, I haven't seen ANY Quicksilver merchandise. BW and Hawkeye are kind of in the same tier as far as popularity goes.
I'm all for equal gender representation in merchandising, but this is very pot stirring for the sake of pot stirring, IMO.
Hawkeye and Black Widow are nowhere near the same in levels of screen time or popularity. Hawkeye was barely in the Avengers.
Supposedly Hawkeye is playing a huge part in AoU, Whedon felt bad that he was mind-controlled for the majority of the movie and didn't do much outside the final battle.
If they make any Black Widow merchandise it's usually short packed or, like listed above, you can only get her if you buy some of the other heroes first. There's not a lot of Black Widow solo merchandise and a lot of the time she's left out of group shots. Plus with her movie crossover appearances, she's had a lot of screen time,so it's not like it's she's a minor character.
Sadly, it's not stirring the pot or just someone's imagination. I read an article written by a woman who works in merchandising, in particular for Marvel franchises, and no matter how much they submit ideas, almost no BW merchandise gets put into production (compared to the other guys). While I wouldn't put BW quite up there with Iron Man or Hulk, the Marvel movies are a huge pop culture phenomenon right now and there are a lot of girl fans who aren't getting a lot of options.
Sadly, it's not stirring the pot or just someone's imagination. I read an article written by a woman who works in merchandising, in particular for Marvel franchises, and no matter how much they submit ideas, almost no BW merchandise gets put into production (compared to the other guys). While I wouldn't put BW quite up there with Iron Man or Hulk, the Marvel movies are a huge pop culture phenomenon right now and there are a lot of girl fans who aren't getting a lot of options.
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figmentPez
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I'd argue that is precisely the point. What gets put on store shelves is part of marketing, and it's pretty clear that getting young women involved in the fandom, or satisfying those who already are fans, is not a priority for any of the companies involved.
Individual stores make the determination what they stock. If that's the case, go after those stores, but don't say that the toys don't exist, because they clearly do.
figmentPez
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If you're talking comic book shops, yes. If you're talking Toys R Us, Target, Wal-Mart, etc. Nope, they don't decide what stock they get, not as far as I know. Those deals are done nationally, and while they may decide how much Avengers merchandise to stock, I'm pretty sure that they get a standard allotment from the line. Unless someone can show differently, I'm pretty sure that they say they want # number of units for backpacks, shirts ,etc. , and the national deal tells them what styles of each specific unit type they get.
It's called a planogram, and it's done either regionally or nationally, but it is a decision made by the head office. It not only dictates to stores what they get but where they put them. Stores essentially rent retail space to distributors, who pay for better product placement.
At least that's the way it was done at Shoppers, and at Loblaws, and friends of mine can confirm Canadian Tire as well, and I've heard a rant about an American grocery atore chain doing it to. (The rant was from the perspective of a part time merhandiser- planograms suck. Like i said, they are planned by head office, so 90% of the time there isn't actually enough shelf space to fit what is supposed to fit there).
How would these stores benefit from not getting the full set of all action figures offered? I find it highly doubtful that they are refusing to stock the toys I linked. Women have always been represented in all the major toy lines I recall from the 90s on. Marvel has always featured female figures in their toy lines (usually manufactured and distributed by Hasbro).
http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=black widow&cat_id=4171_4172
http://search-en.lego.com/?cc=US&lang=2057&q=black+widow+ultron&ns=1&x=0&y=0
http://www.toysrus.com/search/index...&keywords=black widow&origkw=black+widow&sr=1
The claims that these stores don't carry Black Widow toys is patently false.
figmentPez
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If we're talking about big chains, then each location doesn't get to say "we want all of the line", all they get to say is "we want 50 units from the line" and corporate gets to decide which units they get. If the national deal decides that Black Widow is only 2% of stock, then that order of 50 units gets one BW doll, and has to order 50 more units in order to get another Black Widow.
See my above link. One is still in the process of being created. It is not available yet.
A married lesbian friend of mine lusts after Thor mightily. "I don't care that he's a man, he's pretty."
Non-existant? No. Making easily available? Not at all.
Female figures in action figure lines usually weren't part of the first release of a toy line, or if they were, they would be one or two in the whole order, even if they were main characters.. Sometimes only if a toy line was successful they'd include women in the second releases. It's been like this ever since the Star Wars figures. Princess Leia was one of the hardest characters to get. My dad worked at a Kay Bee and UPS for a while in the late 70's/early 80's, and both my parents were huge action figure hunters (He-Mans, Star Trek, Marvel, you name it.) I can remember being a pre-teen and making the KayBee/Toys'R'Us/Mattel outlets,etc. runs with my mom. IF they included female characters, they were usually gone first or you had to know someone who would put them on the side for you. Hell, I was just at Target this morning, and in their huge Age of Ultron toys section, the only Black Widow represented was in group shots on posters. Forget Scarlet Witch or Maria Hill.
When I was at Toys'R'Us* last week, they had a big display of Justice League figurines based on the New 52 line. They had shelves of everyone, they even had multiple poses for Batman or Superman. Except not a single Wonder Woman, even though she's front and center on the packaging.
Little girls and some adults don't always have the time or means to hunt down short packed figures online or at conventions. It's hard enough being a comic fan without people questioning your "credentials", but the fact that they make fans jump through hoops to find their favorite characters is sending the message "we'll toss you a bone, but you're not really welcome here". It doesn't help that when we do get merchandise, it's either small amounts or assuming we want superheroes to be our boyfriends. (IE: the "I want to marry Batman" shirts at Walmart or the Marvel HERoes line.)
Speaking of which, the article I mentioned earlier:Invisible Women: Why Marvel’s Gamora & Black Widow Were Missing From Merchandise
You know, amid me bitching about Black Widow stuff here, DC goes and does this and you know what, my niece is gonna fucking love this. Especially Bumblebee, since even less common than female super hero stuff, is black female super hero stuff (niece is half Jamaican, half whitey McIrishdaughter).
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/0...ership-with-mattel-launch-dc-super-hero-girls
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/0...ership-with-mattel-launch-dc-super-hero-girls
I can't say that I'm in love with the designs for a couple of the characters, but I love the fact that they're doing this. We need some super hero stuff that will actually pass the Bechdel test.
On a completely unrelated note, but back to the thread topic, I've only watched two episodes of Daredevil so far. I'm trying to dole it out slowly like a regular TV show and savor it. Man, the fight choreography is gritty, violent, realistic and awesome.
On a completely unrelated note, but back to the thread topic, I've only watched two episodes of Daredevil so far. I'm trying to dole it out slowly like a regular TV show and savor it. Man, the fight choreography is gritty, violent, realistic and awesome.