Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham
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GasBandit
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Pat Robertson on Ken Hamm: "Let's not make a joke of ourselves, young earth is demonstrably false."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/...to-shut-up-lets-not-make-a-joke-of-ourselves/
Huh. Ok then, Pat. Didn't expect that.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/...to-shut-up-lets-not-make-a-joke-of-ourselves/
Huh. Ok then, Pat. Didn't expect that.
I almost shot coffee out of my nose when I read that quote.
Slate writer attempts to answer questions posed by creationists.
I thought this was a very even, respectful response to a lot of the questions put forth by creationists regarding evolution.
I thought this was a very even, respectful response to a lot of the questions put forth by creationists regarding evolution.
Oh hell no. I've put up with ignorance, religiously-fueled bigotry, the harm caused to education, but NOBODY fucks with dinosaurs.
This is an official hate-on.
As long as you keep that bullshit out of science classrooms, you can believe in whatever the hell you want.
I stand on very firm grounds of evidence. What do you got? Ask me questions. Also important to note that "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer for observed phenomena.
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That feels more and more of an empty hope as this thread continues.
I thought Bill Nye did a really good job advocating for science while also maintaining respect for opponent. I think these debates do hold the potential to help people change their understanding. If Ham's arguments are the best they have I'm not too worried about him convincing anyone of anything.
Agreed. You won't convince anyone to join your side by laughing in their face or calling their beliefs bullshit. Nye's tact, respect, and patience was impeccable so far as I could tell. If anything, Ham was the dismissive one, saying things like, "Well, you know, there is a book that tells you how the universe began. It says, 'And then God said let there be light...'"
I don't want to get involved in any debate, really, but to me the most annoying thing going on is the assumption that all Christians are the same or believe the same thing, or that since this Christian said something that everyone must believe the same thing. Hell, I can't even count the number of different Christian denominations that disagree on one fundamental level or another. Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Calvinist, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostals, Independents, and all the different sects and flavors of each. You can pretty much assume if one guy things something, that's on him, and not everyone.
GasBandit
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And there are even Old Earth Creationists as well. IE, "God still made the world and the universe, but the time measurements in the bible are metaphorical/not literal, and it's perfectly reasonable to assume science is right about the age of all this stuff, and evolution is a thing too."
If we go worldwide, isn't Old Earth Creationism much more prevalent, and in fact basically a dominant view? I was under that impression regarding European Christians at the very least.
GasBandit
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I have no data on the prevalence of old earth creationist thought, in either the US or the World. I just know that it exists in non-negligible amounts.
Ken Ham in particular is one of (if not THE) most prominent Young Earth Creationists, considering he has a museum all about it. The actual Young Earth Creationist world view at this time is pretty niche, and to my knowledge isn't near as prevalent as creationists who acknowledge origin via science and evolution on at least some level.
EDIT: And my original post wasn't referring to here, just general though everywhere in the internet-verse.
Ah, I see. Thanks Piotyr
There are many variations to creationism. I've heard the most regarding dinosaurs and what remains of them. Off the top of my head, I've heard:
- Dinosaurs died when Adam and Eve were cast out of paradise.
- Dinosaurs died in the flood, not being on Noah's ark.
- Dinosaurs were on the ark and died later.
- Dinosaur fossils are planted by the devil to make us question God.
Dinosaurs were really why I as a 4-year-old kept asking my mom questions she couldn't answer when she was trying to read us a children's book interpretation of Genesis.
- Dinosaurs died when Adam and Eve were cast out of paradise.
- Dinosaurs died in the flood, not being on Noah's ark.
- Dinosaurs were on the ark and died later.
- Dinosaur fossils are planted by the devil to make us question God.
Dinosaurs were really why I as a 4-year-old kept asking my mom questions she couldn't answer when she was trying to read us a children's book interpretation of Genesis.
I was told that scientists are lying about the dinosaurs. There never was such a thing. Scientists have created these fantastical creatures to make us believe there is proof of their theories when it's really no better than aliens made in a movie/animation studio. This same person told me that my view of a combination of creationism and science's theories of creation of the universe and evolution was a falsehood. I was lying to myself about how everything was created because The Word is Truth as it is written. I got a brain cramp from trying to use reason.
Back when I was a devout christian, I leaned pretty heavily on the passage from 2 Peter 3:8.
What I take away from this is that 6,000 years ago, everyone was white.
Fuck me running. I think some brain cells committed suicide.
I wanna pet dinosaur.
Well, now you can blame that AND your period on Eve, that easily tempted bitch.
Actually, I like my period. It means I'm not pregnant. That's a good thing in my world! I like sleep. I'll gladly suffer for a few days a month to have (mostly) restful nights the rest of the time!
Cajungal
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Preach, woman.