You might be waiting a long time, I don't think we've had gift giving built into the forum for a while (I went looking for it, since you asked for a prize).
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THANKS OBAMA!
You live in Virginia? The Supreme Court just knocked down the anti sodomy laws that included oral sex.
Could be the old timers are just jealous.
TIL that "sodomy" can cover a wider variety of activities...or possibly just in Virginia.
GasBandit
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I thought I answered that already, but I'll try again to be clearer -
The RINOs have no problem with either.
The Tea Party candidates have ideological problems with both but pick their battles because they can't win on EMTALA, and yes, ideology only happens in elections when it helps win them.[DOUBLEPOST=1381172191,1381172125][/DOUBLEPOST]
"Sodomy" pretty much means anything that isn't a penis (and only a penis) in a vagina (and only a vagina).
I'm apparently much more of a deviant than I thought I was.
GasBandit
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Aren't we all.
When there is no ideal solution, so choose the least bad of all the possible solutions.
If you only look at things from a financial and business perspective, you might indeed come to the conclusion that the two viewpoints are incompatible. However if you figure in the human component as a weighted factor it might push you to favor one end over the other even though in other aspects both might be a poor choice according to your particular position.
I'm sure there are multiple apparently conflicting viewpoints you hold that you might not currently recognize that you could readily justify by taking into account all your perspectives rather than your primary political motivations.
In fact it's things like telling people they can't hold both viewpoints that serve to widen the partisan divide. Forcing people to choose one or the other and telling them they aren't allowed to factor in their life's experiences and choose both is a tool politicians use to garner support for their cause.
Necronic
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Ed: Ninja'd
You don't get to call this bill the end of democracy when a bill just as bad was signed into law by Reagan.
Well yeah you answered it but like you said you're a libertarian, and your answer is way too honest to be reflective. I want to see a republican explain this to me. Because I doubt they will say the same thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1381173001][/DOUBLEPOST]
We aren't the ones that drew a line in the sand. The republicans did that when they cried "constitution". They made it a battle of ideologies and used that as justification for their current strategy of victory by any means.
You don't get to call this bill the end of democracy when a bill just as bad was signed into law by Reagan.
I don't understand why you believe it's impossible, but obviously it's not only possible, but apparently common.
Oh well. I guess your search for an explanation that makes sense to you has been in vain.
Please use this opportunity to claim that you are superior in to those who are unable to grasp the magnitude of their execrable hypocrisy.
Oh well. I guess your search for an explanation that makes sense to you has been in vain.
Please use this opportunity to claim that you are superior in to those who are unable to grasp the magnitude of their execrable hypocrisy.
Most people recognizing their hypocrisy tend to decide they should examine where that comes from. I know I often get jarred by my own hypocrisies and try very hard to reconcile them to be more in line with my ideals/beliefs. I guess I'm a little surprised you're so willing to throw up your hands and accept it.
What you appear to fail to recognize is that I am not arguing with myself about these two ideas. If you read attentively you'll find I don't have a problem with healthcare reform and some limited form of universal healthcare. I disagree with this current plan, but that doesn't mean that I want people to live without access to essential healthcare.
So for me there's really no problem, and I can't understand why you might think there is. I don't represent the republicans. Many of their goals align with some of mine, but there are many that don't.
I have attempted to show you that it's possible to hold both beliefs and still be self consistent even if you fully oppose healthcare but you've rejected that explanation. I accept that you've rejected it, and have no further desire to try to convince you otherwise.
You and I will simply have to disagree on whether it's hypocrisy on my part, or hypocrisy on the part of the theoretical republican that opposes one and supports the other.
For my part I don't believe these are at odds with each other, and therefore don't suffer any intellectual friction on this issue.
But you may disagree. That's fine.
So for me there's really no problem, and I can't understand why you might think there is. I don't represent the republicans. Many of their goals align with some of mine, but there are many that don't.
I have attempted to show you that it's possible to hold both beliefs and still be self consistent even if you fully oppose healthcare but you've rejected that explanation. I accept that you've rejected it, and have no further desire to try to convince you otherwise.
You and I will simply have to disagree on whether it's hypocrisy on my part, or hypocrisy on the part of the theoretical republican that opposes one and supports the other.
For my part I don't believe these are at odds with each other, and therefore don't suffer any intellectual friction on this issue.
But you may disagree. That's fine.
GasBandit
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CNN polling (for what that's worth) is now saying 63% blame republicans, 57% blame democrats, and 53% blame Obama (there's overlap between the 3)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/07/cnn-shutdown-poll-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/07/cnn-shutdown-poll-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around/
Regardless of the topic, if possible, I like "you can answer yes to all"-type polls. I think it gives a better picture of opinion, rather than needing to select "most agree with" or the like.
On a related note, I'm also a fan of instant-runoff elections.
GasBandit
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Very much me too. I wish we could get some of that down here and abolish the primary elections.
Obama's going to need to back off his "no negotiating" for at least the debt stuff. He's not going to keep the Democrats in line with that stance on that particular issue. Democrats love to spend money as much as Republicans.
As for the current considered compromise, I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't think the Republicans should be aiming at Social Security and Medicare, on the other hand, shouldn't ACA make Medicare obsolete? And I have no confidence Social Security's going to survive much longer despite the money we're all pouring into it.
Side-note: I feel like we need a group to represent the people which can stand against the group that was supposed to represent the people.
As for the current considered compromise, I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't think the Republicans should be aiming at Social Security and Medicare, on the other hand, shouldn't ACA make Medicare obsolete? And I have no confidence Social Security's going to survive much longer despite the money we're all pouring into it.
Side-note: I feel like we need a group to represent the people which can stand against the group that was supposed to represent the people.
GasBandit
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More like especially with Obama in office. If anything, he's done more to polarize the country than any president in living memory, and I'm not talking about race.
I'd argue G.W.B. lit and fed that fire, but throwing Obama into the mess just made it worse.
GasBandit
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Yeah, hibachi, meet gallon of gasoline.
One of my whole problems with the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" argument is that some people don't have bootstraps to pull up. The ideal that we are a country where anyone can make their own way with a little grit and determination is laughably naive given the current state of the poor in our country.
GasBandit
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Even today, the poor in our country have it better than the middle class in most of europe.
That is patently incorrect. The median middle class salary in Europe is roughly the same as in America.