What is the worst part of your favorite movies?

My wife and I were just chuckling about the terrible song over the credits at the end of Princess Bride bringing this topic to mind.

I also remember the audience laughing when Luke whines to his aunt and uncle towards the beginning of Star Wars.

Any others spring to mind?
 
I'd like to contribute, but I'm trying to think of anything bad in my favorites. The tai-chi silhouette in The Fountain was pretty cheezy, but it was like 20 seconds.

I might have to break this down to just "movies I love" and not my absolute favorites. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly has no weaknesses.
 
Even though I love the Christopher Reeve movies, I have a lot of problems with them:
-The first one only really gets interesting once he hits Metropolis. Everything before that just drags on way too long.
-The turning back time by spinning around the earth.
-Gene Hackman, who is basically just Gene Hackman playing Gene Hackman (see also: Jack Nicholas playing Jack Nicholson in Batman)

Honestly, my favourite stuff is all in the middle, with Superman flying around town and stopping crimes, and of course the helicopter rescue.

As for 2? Yeah, it's all over the place. Zod is fantastic in every scene, but Superman giving up his powers just didn't do it for me. And my favourite scene of all time, which is also my favourite scene in cinema, is also ruined by the fact that people argue whether Superman killed them or not. It's too ambiguous to bother arguing with them. I just love how Superman beats them, outwitting them and taking away their powers. And of course, the final fight scene in the Fortress is incredibly stupid.
 
Even though I love the Christopher Reeve movies, I have a lot of problems with them:
-The first one only really gets interesting once he hits Metropolis. Everything before that just drags on way too long.
-The turning back time by spinning around the earth.
-Gene Hackman, who is basically just Gene Hackman playing Gene Hackman (see also: Jack Nicholas playing Jack Nicholson in Batman)

Honestly, my favourite stuff is all in the middle, with Superman flying around town and stopping crimes, and of course the helicopter rescue.
I'm stunned that I'm going to have to defend Superman: The Movie from you of all people, especially since I only first saw that movie as an adult, so don't have any childhood notions about it.

Pre-Metropolis: While the school-related elements of Smallville are a little dull, they do matter for the development of what's going on. That said, not interesting? The destruction of Krypton, Kal-El learning from his father during the space flight, Jonathan Kent, the journey to the Arctic? This was all good stuff and showed a great deal of respect for the material. While the movie doesn't get as comic booky until later, that first act is a strong demonstration of "We are taking this seriously" and not a grim way, but in a way to give a sense of wonder to the concept before the costume goes on.

Turning back time: This entire segment is excellent from the moment he lands by the burial mound of the car. Reeves sells that moment of anguish without a word, and when he does speak, it's guttural and raw. To then fly up into the clouds and here the conflicting messages of his two fathers, and having to decide who he is, is a great character moment. It's the kind of thing that makes a Superman story, because we know he really can't be defeated, but to show that despite his great powers and ideals, humanity has rubbed off on him--this makes him a relatable character. The music sells the spinning sequence by itself, but I'll break it down for the soulless mo-fos in this forum--there's an emotional height to his actions, how far he's willing to go to undo this. Anyone who's lost someone they love wishes it hadn't happened and some would turn back time for another moment. Well, Superman can actually do it. In the same fantasy of stopping wrongdoing that led to Superman's creation, this is a moment where Superman can live out another aspect of wish fulfillment, of doing the impossible. And then the beautiful finish to this sequence, where he lands beside the car again, but it isn't buried. Lois is still fucking around with getting it started, gets out, goes on and on about how crappy this day has been for her, without a clue to how bad it could have been, and all he can do is stare at her and be relieved she's still alive.

I'm not gonna defend Gene Hackman--there are some actors where you hire them to be who they are, and that's what you're going to get. I thought it was a good performance, not as good as Kevin Spacey decades later, but it worked for the movie.

TLDR:



Is it possible, Nick, that you've seen this movie so many times that you can't truly appreciate it anymore? Maybe I'll just have to watch it tomorrow and appreciate it for you; you're clearly not up to the task. You've changed. I don't know you anymore.

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I'm sure you guys are familiar with the theory that Superman isn't actually reversing the spin of the Earth in that scene. He's flying so fast he's going back in time, which results in the Earth's spin reversing.
 
I'm sure you guys are familiar with the theory that Superman isn't actually reversing the spin of the Earth in that scene. He's flying so fast he's going back in time, which results in the Earth's spin reversing.
It's not just a theory; it's what's happening in the movie, and the only reason you hear mention of Einstein's theory of relativity near the beginning of the movie--that's exactly what Superman puts into effect, going faster than the speed of light so that he's going backward in time. The Earth spinning backward is just giving us a visual of what he's experiencing.

In short, yes :p.
 
I'm not wrong, it's just my opinion. I find the pre-Metropolis stuff dry, too drawn out, and slow paced. That's how I feel about it. You can view it a different way all you like.

I'll grant you that his anguish over Lois was effective, but it's just the going back in time stuff that I find silly. It's like a reset button. I just don't like it, that's all. Almost as bad as the Amnesia Kiss.

I don't know. Maybe the movie has just soured for me over the years. To be fair, it's been a very long time (at least a decade) since the last time I actually sat down and watched any of the Reeve movies. Own them on BluRay and never actually watched them. Pretty sad, I guess.
 
I'm not wrong, it's just my opinion. I find the pre-Metropolis stuff dry, too drawn out, and slow paced. That's how I feel about it. You can view it a different way all you like.

I'll grant you that his anguish over Lois was effective, but it's just the going back in time stuff that I find silly. It's like a reset button. I just don't like it, that's all. Almost as bad as the Amnesia Kiss.

I don't know. Maybe the movie has just soured for me over the years. To be fair, it's been a very long time (at least a decade) since the last time I actually sat down and watched any of the Reeve movies. Own them on BluRay and never actually watched them. Pretty sad, I guess.


:p

Oh, that kiss. When I first saw Superman II (which, funny enough, was before I saw the first one), I had no idea that was coming. I just thought, "Wow, they'll actually have to address this for the series, and both of them will have to deal with this, and--ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!" I fortunately didn't shout this like I almost did in the movie screening room at the back of the student center ... I literally had to force my jaw to clap shut.

It's too bad you don't have a Blu Ray player. Sucks.
 
Right, that doesn't mean I don't have a player. That means I own them on BluRay but never actually watched them for some reason. I don't know why. I'd upgraded from the DVD collection I had previously.
 
This will be unpopular, but the whole boat thing in Dark Knight.

It was so unexciting and underwhelming for such a good movie. Of course neither boat is gonna blow up the other boat. Of course that tough looking criminal is gonna save the day(ish). Ugh. That whole ending should have been so much better.
 
This will be unpopular, but the whole boat thing in Dark Knight.

It was so unexciting and underwhelming for such a good movie. Of course neither boat is gonna blow up the other boat. Of course that tough looking criminal is gonna save the day(ish). Ugh. That whole ending should have been so much better.
Wellll, guess I don't get a break tonight. Time to school somebody else on their wrongness about a DC universe movie, particularly a good one--


Nah, I lost my energy for that. I will say that I found it tense, and perhaps I didn't find it unpredictable because I tend not to make assumptions. Dating/being married to someone for years who gets on your ass for making assumptions all the time will do that.
 
I thought the way that boat scene was going to play out would be that one boat (or both) would press the button, but it turns out it blows up their own boat.
 
Since we're pointing out bad moments in Superman movies, well, the obvious joke is, ALL of Superman Returns except for Kevin Spacey. :p

For serious, though, that movie was underwhelming as shit.
Maybe that's why Nick became unenamored of the Reeves movies. Because he loves Superman Returns and everyone rags on it for being a poor attempt to live in the shadow of those movies. Which is totally true.

In the Reeves movies.. of which there were only 2, and no one will tell me any differently.



Seriously... what the hell is this?
 

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They were arguably the exact right people to do the voices.
But the singing? Uf.

--Patrick
I didn't care much for the movie at all. The book is one of my absolute favorites, filled with jaw-dropping prose and I just felt the movie ripped the heart out of it. Where is the magic in the Robin Hood scene? Where are men crying at Robin Hood's passing? Where's the terror and majesty of the Bull. Where is Haggard's black depression? And where Lir's gut-wrenching monologue? And Mommy Fortuna--holy crap my skin crawls every single time I read her parts. And some characters get pushed aside, and I'm yelling at the screen like, "DUDE, there are at least 9 characters who present their opposing views on mortality and the passage of time, where is that mystery?" I mean elements are there but they deserve to be done so much better.
 
The way I'm interpreting it is - the worst part of a favorite movie can still be pretty good? So like, every movie is gonna have a worst part unless it's the same thing for 90 minutes.

Jaws - it's a little cheesy when the mom looks at her kids on the boat dock, then looks at a picture of a shark, then looks up again and is like "HEY KIDS COME BACK TO THE HOUSE GET OFF THE BOAT"
 
The way I'm interpreting it is - the worst part of a favorite movie can still be pretty good? So like, every movie is gonna have a worst part unless it's the same thing for 90 minutes.

Jaws - it's a little cheesy when the mom looks at her kids on the boat dock, then looks at a picture of a shark, then looks up again and is like "HEY KIDS COME BACK TO THE HOUSE GET OFF THE BOAT"
To be fair, that picture was of a shark tearing into a little boat like the one her kid was in.

But you're right, it should be interpreted that even the worst part can be pretty good. I'm not even sure people are grabbing faves as opposed to "good movie with a bad part".

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, I guess it'd be the part where Tuco marches Blondie through the desert. Though it has funny parts and leads to the plot finally getting underway, it takes a while to get to that point and is one of the few parts of the movie that's slow without feeling like it builds to a scene-climax. It does build towards one, but doesn't feel like it.
 

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"Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind". I love that movie, but the side plot about Kirsten Dunst and Tom Wilkinson just rubs me the wrong way. I think part is because I think it's really unbelievable and the other because I HAAAAAAAAAAATE her.
 
Turning back time: This entire segment is excellent from the moment he lands by the burial mound of the car. Reeves sells that moment of anguish without a word, and when he does speak, it's guttural and raw. To then fly up into the clouds and here the conflicting messages of his two fathers, and having to decide who he is, is a great character moment. It's the kind of thing that makes a Superman story, because we know he really can't be defeated, but to show that despite his great powers and ideals, humanity has rubbed off on him--this makes him a relatable character. The music sells the spinning sequence by itself, but I'll break it down for the soulless mo-fos in this forum--there's an emotional height to his actions, how far he's willing to go to undo this. Anyone who's lost someone they love wishes it hadn't happened and some would turn back time for another moment. Well, Superman can actually do it. In the same fantasy of stopping wrongdoing that led to Superman's creation, this is a moment where Superman can live out another aspect of wish fulfillment, of doing the impossible. And then the beautiful finish to this sequence, where he lands beside the car again, but it isn't buried. Lois is still fucking around with getting it started, gets out, goes on and on about how crappy this day has been for her, without a clue to how bad it could have been, and all he can do is stare at her and be relieved she's still alive.
No one is complaining about the acting or stuff like that, but about it being one of those deus ex machina endings that showcases why there are no stakes in a Superman adventure...


I thought the way that boat scene was going to play out would be that one boat (or both) would press the button, but it turns out it blows up their own boat.
No, no, no, the non-criminals press it (or Joker does), and it turns out it's just confetti... because fuck you, that's how the joker rolls, he's not just about killing people...
 
I really like Godfather II better than Godfather I, but I can't think anything in Godfather II that I don't like, but in Godfather I I really don't care for Sonny's death scene. It's a bit melodramatic. It was supposed to be shocking, but it went on too long and James Caan just tried too hard.
 
I really like Godfather II better than Godfather I, but I can't think anything in Godfather II that I don't like, but in Godfather I I really don't care for Sonny's death scene. It's a bit melodramatic. It was supposed to be shocking, but it went on too long and James Caan just tried too hard.
It gives us one the greatest lines in cinema though.

Since Street Fighter is the perfect movie, I'm going to toss Raiders of the Lost Ark into the discussion. Amazing movie despite it's big flaw that consumes the entire film.
 
Seriously I wanna slap Diane Keaton here too. Not the content, the delivery. Michael's slow burn is the only good part of this junior high school drama audition.

 
Which is?
Spoilering since it is the entire movie...and will change how you see it from now on.

Everything that takes place in the movie would happen with or without Indiana Jones. You could edit him out and things would still play out largely the same as they did. The only real difference would be the time frame. Nazis still would have obtained the Ark, still would have taken it to the Island, still would have opened it and died.

You don't watch The Big Bang Theory, do you... (not that i blame you, it's such a cavalcade of stereotypes)
The biggest problem I had with that episode is that none of the guys had known about it already. It's not a new observation by any stretch of the imagination
 


...Oh WORST PART of favourite movie, not BEST PART..




Not the best acting seen from either of them. And yes, I like Moulin Rouge, fuck you.
 
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